2017 GMC Acadia To Start At $29,995*

 

 

That is hard to do in most GM cars anymore.

 

I usually do in anything that isn't a 3.6 V6 SUV.  I do really well in their Turbo-4s.  I haven't driven a 2.5 recently enough to remember.  The 3.6 in sedans gets me just EPA.

 

The Chryslers with a Pentastar I will beat EPA easily.

 

I have two HV V6 a 3.6 Bu and a 3.0 Terrain. The Terrain hits the GM EPA number or does one better. The BU even driven hard in winter gets 23 city and summer 25. Highway I can get 30-32.

The HHR 2.0 Turbo gets 25 and 32 even with the tune and driven hard. The EPA numbers were something like 18 and 24. I never came close to that.

My 3800SC cars all hit the numbers spot on.

GM has done a lot with their tuning with the cam, gearing and transmissions. How they ever got the 4 in the Nox and Terrain to run as well as it did is proof. It is way under powered for what the mass was but it still drove well.

One thing to keep in mind is the Lambda models are about as old as you can get at GM anymore and the mass is really a problem. GM just in the last 5 years has come a long way. The new BU, Camaro and new CT6 show just what they can do. For this kind of weight loss sit takes a lot of detailed engineering and GM has finally had the money to do this.

To be honest the 300 pound loss in the Malibu is on the scale of like adding 100 HP to the engine as it is that big of a deal. It will be interesting to see how long it takes the others like Ford to try to match that. They went Aluminum in the trucks and really just got caught up with Chevy.

 

The HHR SS 5spd is rated 21/29. The auto is 19/28... FYI...lol

That is hard to do in most GM cars anymore.

 

I usually do in anything that isn't a 3.6 V6 SUV.  I do really well in their Turbo-4s.  I haven't driven a 2.5 recently enough to remember.  The 3.6 in sedans gets me just EPA.

 

The Chryslers with a Pentastar I will beat EPA easily.

I have two HV V6 a 3.6 Bu and a 3.0 Terrain. The Terrain hits the GM EPA number or does one better. The BU even driven hard in winter gets 23 city and summer 25. Highway I can get 30-32.

The HHR 2.0 Turbo gets 25 and 32 even with the tune and driven hard. The EPA numbers were something like 18 and 24. I never came close to that.

My 3800SC cars all hit the numbers spot on.

GM has done a lot with their tuning with the cam, gearing and transmissions. How they ever got the 4 in the Nox and Terrain to run as well as it did is proof. It is way under powered for what the mass was but it still drove well.

One thing to keep in mind is the Lambda models are about as old as you can get at GM anymore and the mass is really a problem. GM just in the last 5 years has come a long way. The new BU, Camaro and new CT6 show just what they can do. For this kind of weight loss sit takes a lot of detailed engineering and GM has finally had the money to do this.

To be honest the 300 pound loss in the Malibu is on the scale of like adding 100 HP to the engine as it is that big of a deal. It will be interesting to see how long it takes the others like Ford to try to match that. They went Aluminum in the trucks and really just got caught up with Chevy.

The HHR SS 5spd is rated 21/29. The auto is 19/28... FYI...lol

What ever it has been years since I looked at the window sticker. But even the simple minded got the point I get much more than the 19 and 28 LOL! It is the one engine that easily beats the numbers. Also I am not the only one as we have had 3 of us at work here with the same vehicle with the same results.

Note also the GM tune added one MPG along with added torque and MPF. The GM engineer told me it was the added low end torque as it get me up to speed and off the throttle sooner. DI cuts off when not on throttle.

The way to boost MPG in DI is to keep the car in gear but keep off the throttle as much as you can on done hill grades. Old port injection always added some fuel but DI at least in GM cars shuts off. Or so as the GM engineer claims.

^ Yeah my buddy with his 5spd HHR SS said he easily gets around 30 on the interstate and he doesn't exactly have a light foot. He just has an intake on his, no clue the brand or anything though. 

I didn't realize yours was an auto either. I guess I just assumed it was a stick. Those are even more rare, right? 

^ Yeah my buddy with his 5spd HHR SS said he easily gets around 30 on the interstate and he doesn't exactly have a light foot. He just has an intake on his, no clue the brand or anything though. 

 

I didn't realize yours was an auto either. I guess I just assumed it was a stick. Those are even more rare, right?

I would have to look it up but about 2/3 were auto.

At first the Manuals were king but the GM tune made them put out the same power as the Manuals with the tune.

The only negative on the auto is you could not get the Brembo and LSD package but the brakes really were not all that better since it was just the front. The LSD would be nice.

The Auto on the other hand has less issues. I have seen linkage issue, Clutch issues and housing cracking issues. Also some tune issues like my buddies likes to rev between gears they cannot resolve.

So there is good and bad to both. It is just a shame the six speeds did not fit as the added strength could let them open the engine up more. The same tune on the Solstice manual has 340 FT LBS.

The HHR SS is a crazy car. I never liked the HHR, never wanted a wagon, never wanted a Turbo 4 and hate FWD but I love this little car. It is such a well tuned car and is just a blast to drive. Also I love the look on the face of guys in Mustangs when you keep right with them.

The most annoying thing is just getting traction. The front wheels like to unload and you can spin the tires at some insane speeds.

It is just sad my 4 cylinder is faster than any of the big blocks I owned over the years that were stock.

Your buddy has 260 HP even with the intake unless he has taken the learn feature off the computer. It will boost the power for a short while but then it learns back. Tunes like the GM tune will remove the learn and KNN claims like 5-6 HP I think.

Yeah my buddy more or less wanted the turbo noises that Come with aftermarket intakes.

It really is a blast of a wagon. Him and I also don't like regular HHRs at all but the SS is a completely different animal. The different front facia also transforms the look quite a bit as well.

I definitely didn't realize it was a 2/3 ratio of auto to manual. I guess I just assumed because I hadn't seen many for sale and they happened to be 5spds.

Yeah my buddy more or less wanted the turbo noises that Come with aftermarket intakes.

It really is a blast of a wagon. Him and I also don't like regular HHRs at all but the SS is a completely different animal. The different front facia also transforms the look quite a bit as well.

I definitely didn't realize it was a 2/3 ratio of auto to manual. I guess I just assumed because I hadn't seen many for sale and they happened to be 5spds.

I was able to get the saturation sheets from the Delta brand manager a while back for several of the SS years. I had all the break downs on colors and options. I moved several years ago and they are all packed away yet.

At first it was like 50/50 and then it moved more auto as time went on. I think it was just that so many people can's drive a stick.

Mine was a daily driver the first couple years and I was not going to shift every day. I love it on weekends but tired coming home from works I could care less.

Also I hate cable shifted FWD sifters when they get old as they get all the more rubbery. Finally if I had to replace the clutch this was one I can not do at home like my older cars.

 

  GM announced 17/25 for the 2017 with v6 and fwd.  a lot of work for one highway mpg (apples to apples).  Looks fairly unimpressive by that count.  But it does beat its size mate, the suzuki XL7 so i guess that is progress.

I would hope so, considering the XL7 has been out of production for over 6 years....

 

right, they gain one or two mpg on the curve every ten years.......WOW

Now impressive to me is something like Chevy and the new Cruze.  5 mpg better combined mpg.  That's an achievement.  More power, less weight, more room, etc.  Mazda6, the last one got crap mpg, and the new one is significantly better.

Now if GM simply built a Flex like wagon thing on the new Malibu platform and got 25-27 mpg combined out of it, we'd be making progress in this world  (not an unreasonable theory)

(edit) on the topic of crossover mpg......cx-9 kills it

http://blog.caranddriver.com/per-the-epa-2016-mazda-cx-9-three-row-is-most-efficient-non-hybrid-in-its-class/

Hey man, I want to be rooting for the Cruze, but it still has a par for the course interior, the top-end trim has the ratty headliner material that some Toyotas finally dicthed...

I hope the driving experience makes up for it, but I suspect the driving standards of the people buying compact cars is fairly across the board even, and the only cars that could really make them feel like they're getting a European Golf or Astra or Focus or Mazda 3 or New Civic are those models all the same sold as their respective iterations here.

I like how the standard Google Android Auto and Apple Carplay come standard with the 4g LTE modem - that is a very cool feature at any price. But I doubt people will want to pay money for the standard 2 GB data plan when the trial period expires - they'll just tether their phones for the wifi hotspot.

Like the current Cruze is basically the most handsome previous gen Corolla you could buy. And that's a great achievement - and it had its own unique look. I still think the Cruze is quietly handsome, and I love that kind of styling. Very much like stealth wealth, which reminds me of more expensive Buicks and Lincolns. 

But the Cruze now looks like a rehash of multiple competing cars, for better or for worse, I think it'll sell like a lot, maybe a LOT more even, but I'll stick to my cards that the Malibu was the most impressive new Chevy I've experienced.

I looked at the Cruze and was not really impressed with the looks in person. That is rare today. I was not able to get inside. I did get into a Volt and was shocked how nice the upgraded trim was for that car. It had a gray with brown seats and was very comfortable and anything but plastic cheap feeling. It felt like a SS2 Camaro interior.

If they offer this in the Cruze they will be fine.

The new Bu interior is great in Premium and even non premium with leather it is a pleasant place to be.

I looked at the Cruze and was not really impressed with the looks in person. That is rare today. I was not able to get inside. I did get into a Volt and was shocked how nice the upgraded trim was for that car. It had a gray with brown seats and was very comfortable and anything but plastic cheap feeling. It felt like a SS2 Camaro interior.

If they offer this in the Cruze they will be fine.

The new Bu interior is great in Premium and even non premium with leather it is a pleasant place to be.

Yeah, from the autoshow, I was absolutely in awe how the Malibu interior - in terms of the the touch points that really matter - very well done - better than many luxury cars. Were it so easy for some luxury cars (I'm looking at you Mercedes CLA). 

Except the lower model Malibu with fabric dash top. I'm okay with that, but the brown really lifts up the interior, and the mass of black and gray - like other lower trim sedans aren't that eye-catching.

The Volt's peanut butter scheme is very welcoming. Some Canadian dude drove it recently, and made me feel very jelly.

The Cruze I sat in felt like a cheaper car, but it's probably going to remain very well equipped in terms of features and entry price, so I was satisfied... but not really engaged like a Mazda 3 or Golf interior or slightly pleased like in the Ford Focus.

I don't think many people have seen the Cruze without the RS package on the Premier model. Without the RS package the Cruze looks much less substantial. I saw both close to each other, and really the transformation one trim package makes is crazy.

Incidentally - the amount of displacement of soft touch material - as in how squishy the armrests and dash top are, are very similar in the Fusion and Malibu. I like the Malibu's door armrest more, but the Fusion's dash (below Platinum) is fully padded all from the globebox to the cowl, and I like the console armrest more too. I don't really care about the dash being nicer than the armrest, but anyways the Platinum was something way beyond my expectations for a midsize sedan at any price.

I looked at the Cruze and was not really impressed with the looks in person. That is rare today. I was not able to get inside. I did get into a Volt and was shocked how nice the upgraded trim was for that car. It had a gray with brown seats and was very comfortable and anything but plastic cheap feeling. It felt like a SS2 Camaro interior.

If they offer this in the Cruze they will be fine.

The new Bu interior is great in Premium and even non premium with leather it is a pleasant place to be.

 

Yeah, from the autoshow, I was absolutely in awe how the Malibu interior - in terms of the the touch points that really matter - very well done - better than many luxury cars. Were it so easy for some luxury cars (I'm looking at you Mercedes CLA). 

 

Except the lower model Malibu with fabric dash top. I'm okay with that, but the brown really lifts up the interior, and the mass of black and gray - like other lower trim sedans aren't that eye-catching.

 

The Volt's peanut butter scheme is very welcoming. Some Canadian dude drove it recently, and made me feel very jelly.

 

The Cruze I sat in felt like a cheaper car, but it's probably going to remain very well equipped in terms of features and entry price, so I was satisfied... but not really engaged like a Mazda 3 or Golf interior or slightly pleased like in the Ford Focus.

 

I don't think many people have seen the Cruze without the RS package on the Premier model. Without the RS package the Cruze looks much less substantial. I saw both close to each other, and really the transformation one trim package makes is crazy.

 

Incidentally - the amount of displacement of soft touch material - as in how squishy the armrests and dash top are, are very similar in the Fusion and Malibu. I like the Malibu's door armrest more, but the Fusion's dash (below Platinum) is fully padded all from the globebox to the cowl, and I like the console armrest more too. I don't really care about the dash being nicer than the armrest, but anyways the Platinum was something way beyond my expectations for a midsize sedan at any price.

I have not been in a non leather BU yet but was warned about the cloth.

I expect that most Cruze will get the RS package but they still should do better on the low level models.

The touch points were what I noticed on the BU. You can see how they really did work at it.

What caught me was the First BU I saw. It was $28K and had leather and was a very pleasent interior for under $30K. That is not easy to do in many cars anymore with leather. The BU can get to $38k fast but you still can get a sub 30K car .

when i was paying the dealer to replace my freaking headlights the other day on my cobalt, i perused the showroom and sat in a premier malibu with the gray interior.  it looked as it would wear and show dirt super easily, and it turned me off on the gray.  Why though can i not get a tan interior LT cloth is my question.

speaking to a thread talking about the Malibu and Impala's respective territory in the Chevy showroom (on another forum site) and them being too close, i disagree.  There is plenty of meat and size difference between the new Malibu and Impala now.  The Impala is still noticeably larger and more comfortable, its interior has more comfort, size and detail, and the Impala has the boss looks.  I already saw a ghettoed up 16 Malibu on the road the other day (wow that was fast and must prove its a good design if someone ruined one that quickly) and believe me the Malibu is a great design but the Impala still wins with the real road presence.  

As it should be in the size and price pecking order.

chevy must have clinicked the new Malibu to death to figure out what lines to cross with size, level of luxury, and features and style vs the Impala.  Because it really really come to the line, and doesn't cross.  The interior is 'nice enough' but not blowing you away.  Same thing with style, or size, or whatever.    But its just proof how this time, they finally got it right.

Really they did the opposite here with the Acadia.  I'll be curious to see the interior in person next week if i can (auto show) but in pictures is looks cheap.  

does GM listen?  On another site, it shows the EOP (end of production) for the current Acadia changing from summer 2016 to December 2016.........

Well, then if they do this, at least they are keeping the pipeline open for the returning lessees to get into a new one.

does GM listen?  On another site, it shows the EOP (end of production) for the current Acadia changing from summer 2016 to December 2016.........

 

Well, then if they do this, at least they are keeping the pipeline open for the returning lessees to get into a new one.

Probably heading straight to the rental fleets.  GM likes to do that with outgoing models to squeeze some extra profits and amortization out of an old design. 

does GM listen?  On another site, it shows the EOP (end of production) for the current Acadia changing from summer 2016 to December 2016.........

 

Well, then if they do this, at least they are keeping the pipeline open for the returning lessees to get into a new one.

 

Probably heading straight to the rental fleets.  GM likes to do that with outgoing models to squeeze some extra profits and amortization out of an old design.

Also it provides a fleet car that will not kill the resale value of the new model in the next couple years. They killed my 04 GP resale in the first year with rental sales.

when i was paying the dealer to replace my freaking headlights the other day on my cobalt, i perused the showroom and sat in a premier malibu with the gray interior.  it looked as it would wear and show dirt super easily, and it turned me off on the gray.  Why though can i not get a tan interior LT cloth is my question.

 

speaking to a thread talking about the Malibu and Impala's respective territory in the Chevy showroom (on another forum site) and them being too close, i disagree.  There is plenty of meat and size difference between the new Malibu and Impala now.  The Impala is still noticeably larger and more comfortable, its interior has more comfort, size and detail, and the Impala has the boss looks.  I already saw a ghettoed up 16 Malibu on the road the other day (wow that was fast and must prove its a good design if someone ruined one that quickly) and believe me the Malibu is a great design but the Impala still wins with the real road presence.  

 

As it should be in the size and price pecking order.

 

chevy must have clinicked the new Malibu to death to figure out what lines to cross with size, level of luxury, and features and style vs the Impala.  Because it really really come to the line, and doesn't cross.  The interior is 'nice enough' but not blowing you away.  Same thing with style, or size, or whatever.    But its just proof how this time, they finally got it right.

 

Really they did the opposite here with the Acadia.  I'll be curious to see the interior in person next week if i can (auto show) but in pictures is looks cheap.

Not sure what the problem is with the brown at Chevy. I looked at the Colorado and the Canyon and the Canyon offers a nice brown I have not seen in a Chevy yet. I would buy the tutone brown as it look more upgrade than the gray or black of the Chevys I drove.

If you are going to make it black at least put some light gray or red accents to it to spice it up a bit. I love my red and black HHR SS interior. It makes a really cheap interior look so much better.

usually there is enough of a pattern with the cloth that breaks up the death black.....Malibu didn't get that though.

When i am talking tan interior, i am not talking the peanut butter brown crap that Chevy likes to for some reason peddle.  I am talking the light tan seats and dash that is available on lots of other cars.  Why Chevy never does tan is a complete head scratcher.  Tan interiors feel less like death and more spacious and open inside.

The prolonging of the current Acadia won't be for rentals or fleet.  The Acadia has had virtually zero rentals, they have been selling like hot cakes still, they will just be prolonging production through the 2016 mode year to serve what the customer wants.

I can't recall ever seeing a rental GMC.

Yeah, I have seen not many Acadias as fleet vehicles of any kind. Maybe some for actually news reporters, and some for the weather dudes, and some for Police.

Interesting though is that I thinks that GMC should get any kind of SUV electrification first, before Chevy. I think the GMC customer can palate and increase in price more tha Chevy,

So, perhaps a 2.0T with Voltec battery, in the Acadia as a 5 seat version would be very interesting. I think it could sell really well. Or maybe I'm just being subsumed into the ELR mentality.

Just because something sounds great in concept and on paper, doesn't mean it'll pan out.

Ah well... Luigi.

 

The prolonging of the current Acadia won't be for rentals or fleet.  The Acadia has had virtually zero rentals, they have been selling like hot cakes still, they will just be prolonging production through the 2016 mode year to serve what the customer wants.

 

I can't recall ever seeing a rental GMC.

I rent Terrains, Acadias, and Yukons all the time.   The Acadia and Enclave are my two most frequent rentals when I can't get a Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban or if there isn't a Grand Cherokee or Durango to be had (becoming more rare lately, sadly).   I pretty much always go for the biggest vehicle I can find on the lot that isn't an Expedition. 

Edit: Of the three Lambdas, I'd say the Traverse is actually the most rare to be spotted in the rental fleets.  Enclave being most common. 

Edit 2: I admire your ability to read GM's mind.  We should put that to good use around here.

Woot. Where do you get the beeg money t rent SUV's and not the 29.99 per day intermediates

Woot. Where do you get the beeg money t rent SUV's and not the 29.99 per day intermediates

Expense account. I spend $40k - $50k a year in work related travel. I drive rental cars more than my own car. All of my rentals are with National (don't have a choice, not that I mind).  I reserve a 4-door mid-size, but because I'm such a big spender with them, I can upgrade to anything on the lot for the same price except for the exotics like Maseratis and ATS-Vs.   I haven't needed an SUV for the last buncha trips, so I got fun cars  (3 mustang convertibles, 1 5th-Gen Camaro, 2 Challengers). When I have to do long distance without hauling equipment I head straight for the Chrysler 300 with Lacrosse as my backup, once in a great while a Chrysler 200.  My last few SUVs have been Grand Cherokee, Durango, Enclave, Enclave, Cherokee, Explorer, Edge, Santa Fe, Explorer, Yukon.

That 5th-Gen Camaro I grabbed while I was sitting in a loaded Acadia SLT and about to pull out.  Saw them bring it on the lot and switched to that instead of the Acadia.  That was last week of January.

I was lucky the last rental for work I got was a red Mustang Convertible for a week at Hot August nights while everyone else got stuck in mini vans. I went to Tahoe as soon as I got checked in.

Then we had a $750,000 32 Ford to tool around the town in during the event. It was pain as so many people remembered it from Hot Rod and they would jump out in front of you to take a picture. Not a good thing when you have large tires on each corner with no fenders.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2016-gmc-acadia-remain-sale-alongside-new-2017-model/

"Old Acadia will be renamed Acadia Limited for 2017 model year."

However, no timetable was given regarding when the older car will eventually go out of production.

Their 'ballsy' move to cut off the old one so soon was likely met with howls from p'oed dealers and customers.  This is a win win however, since they would still building the Enclave and the Traverse.

There will no doubt be 17 Acadia Limited still on the show floor this time next year.  Just now finally the Malibu Limiteds are getting sparse.  Sidebar= will there even be a 2016 new Cruze at this point.  Its really getting late in the model year......the Cruze Limited is still all that is available.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2016-gmc-acadia-remain-sale-alongside-new-2017-model/

 

 

"Old Acadia will be renamed Acadia Limited for 2017 model year."

However, no timetable was given regarding when the older car will eventually go out of production.

 

Their 'ballsy' move to cut off the old one so soon was likely met with howls from p'oed dealers and customers.  This is a win win however, since they would still building the Enclave and the Traverse.

 

There will no doubt be 17 Acadia Limited still on the show floor this time next year.  Just now finally the Malibu Limiteds are getting sparse.  Sidebar= will there even be a 2016 new Cruze at this point.  Its really getting late in the model year......the Cruze Limited is still all that is available.

From what I have heard production on the Cruze is started. I have not see any shipped yet. As to what year they call them I am not sure, 

I also have not seen any of the old cars shipped anymore. 

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2016-gmc-acadia-remain-sale-alongside-new-2017-model/

 

 

"Old Acadia will be renamed Acadia Limited for 2017 model year."

However, no timetable was given regarding when the older car will eventually go out of production.

 

Their 'ballsy' move to cut off the old one so soon was likely met with howls from p'oed dealers and customers.  This is a win win however, since they would still building the Enclave and the Traverse.

 

There will no doubt be 17 Acadia Limited still on the show floor this time next year.  Just now finally the Malibu Limiteds are getting sparse.  Sidebar= will there even be a 2016 new Cruze at this point.  Its really getting late in the model year......the Cruze Limited is still all that is available.

I hope they separate out the sales numbers

 

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2016-gmc-acadia-remain-sale-alongside-new-2017-model/

 

 

"Old Acadia will be renamed Acadia Limited for 2017 model year."

However, no timetable was given regarding when the older car will eventually go out of production.

 

Their 'ballsy' move to cut off the old one so soon was likely met with howls from p'oed dealers and customers.  This is a win win however, since they would still building the Enclave and the Traverse.

 

There will no doubt be 17 Acadia Limited still on the show floor this time next year.  Just now finally the Malibu Limiteds are getting sparse.  Sidebar= will there even be a 2016 new Cruze at this point.  Its really getting late in the model year......the Cruze Limited is still all that is available.

 

I hope they separate out the sales numbers

 

They will as they are not considered the same vehicle. In the past the Classic and limited models were always counted separately. 

I would love to see the new Acadia in the Midnight trim that they just showed the Terrain in. It really changed the tone of the vehicle. It makes the Denali look as tacky as it really is with this years added random chrome. 

It was funny, a few days ago there was a Chevy ad that popped up when, i was either surfing or was in auto trader.  The link / ad said (this i forget so bear with me) either build and price or locate inventory. It was specifically an ad for the all new Cruze.

So I clicked on it and it went to Chevy's site but to a dead page more or less.  So maybe the ad was set up to be ready but the distribution just is not quite ready yet.

My guess they will, like the Volt, and similar to Ford and the Edge in 2015, ship it as the current model year.  I think it will be a 2016, even if its not a long year.  It is getting late though.

 

 

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2016-gmc-acadia-remain-sale-alongside-new-2017-model/

 

 

"Old Acadia will be renamed Acadia Limited for 2017 model year."

However, no timetable was given regarding when the older car will eventually go out of production.

 

Their 'ballsy' move to cut off the old one so soon was likely met with howls from p'oed dealers and customers.  This is a win win however, since they would still building the Enclave and the Traverse.

 

There will no doubt be 17 Acadia Limited still on the show floor this time next year.  Just now finally the Malibu Limiteds are getting sparse.  Sidebar= will there even be a 2016 new Cruze at this point.  Its really getting late in the model year......the Cruze Limited is still all that is available.

 

I hope they separate out the sales numbers

 

 

 

They will as they are not considered the same vehicle. In the past the Classic and limited models were always counted separately. 

 

I would love to see the new Acadia in the Midnight trim that they just showed the Terrain in. It really changed the tone of the vehicle. It makes the Denali look as tacky as it really is with this years added random chrome. 

 

Unfortunately, that isn't true.   Take a look at the December 2015 GM sales report.  Only one listing for Impala, only one listing for Malibu, only one listing for Cruze. Same goes for February 2016

From the saturation sheets I have seen it was always separate in how they were counted in the past. There are several sources for data and it may vary.

From the saturation sheets I have seen it was always separate in how they were counted in the past. There are several sources for data and it may vary.

I would be quite grateful if you can point me to a source of such information.

https://web.archive.org/web/20090221044821/http://media.gm.com:80/servlet/GatewayServlet?target=http://image.emerald.gm.com/gmnews/viewpressreldetail.do?domain=2&docid=51161

Here is one from GM Media Online that list the Classic separate.

Here is the deal. Many public listings will lump things together but GM counts cars 5 ways to Sunday and if you see the reports they not only have reports that show the classic and new model as separate but also break downs on models from more than one plants such in the case of the Malibu.

Then they have what is called Saturation reports that I have been given by a couple brand manager when trying to find out not only total production but they break it out down to each option and even color.

So trust me they know just what they are selling and while the month end deal may show total for old model and new the real numbers are there if you know who to ask or where to look.

I have printed off the HHR numbers when some were trying to find out how rare different combinations were and I could give them how many half panels in blue were built with the LSD diff.

So I do not doubt you have seen them counted together but the fact is those are often just general reports that do not give much detail and just make for good simple public numbers.

I did not save them but I have seen in the past the limited or classic models listed separately from the new models. Generally these classic models are fleet sales in the past and are kept track of on their own.

I have seen some sheets that are really crazy on the break down of models.

I wish many of these reports were able to be found online as it would really be of interest to Camaro and Corvette owners wanting to know how special or normal their cars really are. It is neat to see the real take rates on options and it is surprising just how common most cars are today with the way the options are offered.

I saw the numbers on the Cobal SS sedan and that is one there was so few of in the last year of production.

Note I just went on gmmedia.com and it is now under construction. Often info can be found here too.

Hyper that is data from 2007/2008 so no Malibu Limited versus new numbers.

I did find this interesting comparison of US versus Canada on current numbers.

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01/chevrolet-malibu-sales-figures.html

So I have spent considerable time searching the GM Media and find that after 2009 they went to a standardized reporting format that does not split out old versus new models being built and sold side by side.

I could find nothing like that old 2007/08 report and only the new formats of one name and over all total built auto's.

I'm sure they count them... I'm just trying to find access to those counts myself. 

I'm sure they count them... I'm just trying to find access to those counts myself. 

I would contact the brand manger of the line. They are the ones I have gotten the best info from. Some are willing to share freely and some are not. It may come down to who you are or if they know you or you know someone they know. 

Once I got an in with one it opened it up to the others. 

Ask to see if you can get saturation numbers as this gives you a really great breakdown on models, options and colors as well as total numbers. It can be fun trying to find just how many of some combinations are made. 

I wish GM made these more public even a few years later. 

Hyper that is data from 2007/2008 so no Malibu Limited versus new numbers.

 

I did find this interesting comparison of US versus Canada on current numbers.

 

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01/chevrolet-malibu-sales-figures.html

 

So I have spent considerable time searching the GM Media and find that after 2009 they went to a standardized reporting format that does not split out old versus new models being built and sold side by side.

 

I could find nothing like that old 2007/08 report and only the new formats of one name and over all total built auto's.

I was at work and that is all I could find in a pinch. It had a classic listed and show that a classic model as being available. It may have been a Cavalier. It was broken out. 

My point is they so show them separate. I do not collect them but I have seen them posted. So many numbers are reported and some are separated and come are merged so it can vary. 

In the past I have seen models listed on Autoblog reports with the old and new models show independently. 

Now one thing I have found is Canadian is often done separately in all areas. Even their historical services for their lines is separate. I had to do my Pontiac in Canada since it was first shipped there and they had the info. 

But the fact is GM has all sorts of listing for so many reason.