Electrified Muscle Car, Welcome Dodge Charger Daytona SRT Concept

So I assume they will have to change this to a sedan for production, or do sedan and coupe versions, unless they have a different sedan coming later and the Charger is a coupe only for lower volume as they ramp up EV production.  

They don't mention power, range, battery size or anything, so I am guessing this is a good bit away from production still, maybe late 2024 as a 2025 model.

41 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

So I assume they will have to change this to a sedan for production, or do sedan and coupe versions, unless they have a different sedan coming later and the Charger is a coupe only for lower volume as they ramp up EV production.  

They don't mention power, range, battery size or anything, so I am guessing this is a good bit away from production still, maybe late 2024 as a 2025 model.

The 800V Banshee platform is capable of being done in either a 2 door or 4 door and as such they wanted to honor the original Daytona Charger which was a 2 door.

If I was a betting man, I would expect them to have both a 2 and 4 door Charger along with a 2 door Challenger as a special step above the charger model in performance muscle cars.

Yes, nothing other than it is more powerful and track tested to beat the ICE Hellcat.

This would also imply that they will be as they are now tops in this segment over anything from the European or Asian auto makers.

2 minutes ago, David said:

The 800V Banshee platform is capable of being done in either a 2 door or 4 door and as such they wanted to honor the original Daytona Charger which was a 2 door.

If I was a betting man, I would expect them to have both a 2 and 4 door Charger along with a 2 door Challenger as a special step above the charger model in performance muscle cars.

Yes, nothing other than it is more powerful and track tested to beat the ICE Hellcat.

This would also imply that they will be as they are now tops in this segment over anything from the European or Asian auto makers.

More power than a Model S Plaid?  Or the 1200 hp Lucid?  

Horsepower doesn't really matter anymore, everything is fast, you can get a Kia that does 0-60 in 3.4 seconds for like $70k.

14 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

More power than a Model S Plaid?  Or the 1200 hp Lucid?  

Horsepower doesn't really matter anymore, everything is fast, you can get a Kia that does 0-60 in 3.4 seconds for like $70k.

 

Who cares about the Model S Plaid or Lucid or even the Kia. Dodge is using themselves to benchmark themselves and the Hellcat is that benchmark. I would have to think in common sense that yes they will have those others in mind and will want to ensure that their Charger SRT EV is truly fast, so it will be interesting to see down the road what the final numbers are.

We know it is AWD, so Torque Vectoring I am sure will come into play. Per this story, Tesla does have Torque Vectoring between 3 motors, but no sense on how many motors Dodge will use in this AWD configuration.

Just too many unknowns at this time to make any real judgement on the performance side of the auto other than they say it is faster and better than the ICE Hellcat.

We can debate the outside and inside look of the auto and I have to say it looks great, way better than anything being produced by European or Asian or any American auto company at this time. This is a great benchmark to step up too. 

Will be interesting to see what GM does with the Camaro.

16 minutes ago, David said:

 

Will be interesting to see what GM does with the Camaro.

Probably make it a crossover coupe version of the Blazer EV.  It can share parts with the Acura ZDX that's coming back, because yay, crossover coupes.

14 hours ago, David said:

Who cares about the Model S Plaid or Lucid or even the Kia. Dodge is using themselves to benchmark themselves and the Hellcat is that benchmark.

Then it'll be nothing special.. They may not mention benchmarking those cars but they probably should do that as both of those SMOKE a Hellcat.

So this seems like an awesome vehicle but without knowing some of the details, all I'm getting is a complete gimmick car. 

I know more details will follow but it would have been nice to know some performance targets, range, charging speed, hp/tq. 

19 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Then it'll be nothing special.. They may not mention benchmarking those cars but they probably should do that as both of those SMOKE a Hellcat.

So this seems like an awesome vehicle but without knowing some of the details, all I'm getting is a complete gimmick car. 

I know more details will follow but it would have been nice to know some performance targets, range, charging speed, hp/tq. 

I agree that performance details would be nice on the auto. We do know the charging speed as it is an 800V platform, so charging is fast just like Porsche, GM, Kia, Hyundai, etc. Anyone that supports 800V.

Cool write up on the 800V Banshee system.

Here's How Dodge's 800-Volt Banshee EV System Could Be Faster Than a Hellcat (thedrive.com)

They point out a valid point that I do not think many are aware of and why a higher Voltage system is preferred over lower. Higher voltage system provides faster charging and less heat creation but this does not automatically make an EV faster as they also point out depending on the kW rating of the motors, that is where you get crazy fast speed. So this Concept could easily be faster than a Hellcat if the kW rating of the electric motor they are using is super high.

An example of this is in the highest output Hemi at 807 Horsepower, that is equal to 602 kW motor. So they should easily be able to build a 1,000 kW electric motor or since this is AWD, have two 500 kW motors.

I had done a thread about this.  

My opinion on it!!!

On 8/17/2022 at 8:28 PM, oldshurst442 said:

 

 

On 8/17/2022 at 9:00 PM, oldshurst442 said:

This is what Im talking about.  This is the kind of car, any car, ICE or EV that I need and want in my life. 

 I desperately want this.  

The sound. Yes its fabricated. I believe its an authentic electric motor sound, tuned and manipulated to sound like that. But that aint no different from how Ferrari tunes its engines, headers and exhaust, to sound the way they do.  Chevy has done the same with the SBC and went to Ferrari levels of tuning with the LT6 flat plane 5.5 liter.  Yamaha engines like the Lexus LFA V10 has been tuned to sound awesome...   Yamaha for those that want to be ignorant about this is not just a motorcycle company.  They make musical instruments of all kinds.  They  specialize to make sounds that sound good in our ears. They literally make music... 

This concept definitely makes me forget about the Hellcat. 

After hearing Tim Kuniskis speak, I know this is coming. I also know some sort of 4 door will also be available.

A Dodge EV me thinks will be in my driveway, unless Ford or Chevy upstages this. Only hiccup I sees with my decision in buying into a Stellantis EV is if the tech falls short of FoMoCo's or GM's Ultium platform

But, I got faith.  The French(Citroen and Peugeot) have been selling EVs for awhile now.  I dunno how that tech stacks up to Lucid, Ultium, Ford, Tesla...but since Stellantis also consists of Opel, a good engineering company, and Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep these SRT engineers who are great in what they do, I dont see how Stellantis EV tech to be not competitive.  Not to mention Fiat and Maserati and most importantly, Ferrari.  

Yes, Ferrari.   Stellantis still owns shares in Ferrari and I would imagine Stellantis would have some access to Ferrari engineering if only it even was just for consultation.  Ferrari engineers are still excellent in what they do.  There are some very talented folk at Stellantis if we are to be serious about talking about engineering.  Stellantis is not a small company...  

On 8/18/2022 at 2:15 AM, oldshurst442 said:

Tim Kuniskis' unveiling of this beast.  Clear brand focus directives that were needed for Dodge to retain their current successful image.  

 

No numbers of any kind have been spoken.  MSRP, HP, etc...    Some range is sacrificed is hinted at though. To retain muscle car attitude.  Fair enough.  But family hauling duties along with inclement weather regions were thought of with this beast.  Engineering, as he stated, was at the forefront of designing E-Muscle.

About EV sounds

This is the route Porsche went with.  Porsche too, had an objective to have a distinct EV sound.  Im not sure if Porsche used a resonator and amplifier and tuned it like Dodge did.  But Porsche's sound does sound more natural EV-ish and it does sound awesome as well.  Already, Porsche and Dodge have made it a point that EV sounds need not be whiny but be part of brand image just like how ICEs are and about to be...were.  

 

On 8/23/2022 at 10:35 AM, ccap41 said:

Then it'll be nothing special.. They may not mention benchmarking those cars but they probably should do that as both of those SMOKE a Hellcat.

So this seems like an awesome vehicle but without knowing some of the details, all I'm getting is a complete gimmick car. 

I know more details will follow but it would have been nice to know some performance targets, range, charging speed, hp/tq. 

It will be faster than the Hellcats.   By a decent amount.  As much, but not as fast probably, as the Lucid Airs, and the Plaid. 

Why? 

1. that transmission...

Its supposed to look like a Dodge, sound like a Dodge and DRIVE like a Dodge.    (Its supposed to look like a muscle car, sound like a muscle car and DRIVE like a muscle car)  It will have shift points, like a Porsche Taycan (2 speed transmission), but unlike a Porsche Taycan, it will have 3-4-5-6 shift points to make you feel that punch. (Remember, Lucid Airs and Teslas have very fast LINEAR acceleration...1 gear only that makes it just go...)

THAT may cost valuable tenths of seconds for 0-x times and 1/4 mile times. 

2. It may not need to beat these other EVs (Air, Taycan, Plaid) in acceleration outright if only a tenth or 2 seconds off BECAUSE it will undoubtedly FEEL and drive like a Dodge and a muscle car.

3. Also, it will have an electronic software 'nitrous' button on the steering wheel called PowerShot  that will produce an extra burst of horsepower to overcome any shift delay and punch its way through as to stay as close to if not downright overcome a Taycan, Plaid and Air.  

It will also have sport, drag, track and more importantly, donut modes to look like a Dodge, sound like a Dodge and DRIVE like a Dodge.     (look like a muscle car, sound like a muscle car and DRIVE like a muscle car) 

Drag mode will certainly be interesting for acceleration times.  

4. The Taycan, Plaid and Air will most certainly be 50% more pricier to buy anyway...

Tim Kuniskis did say that all EVs are fast, even the boring ones whilst showing a Prius and Bolt like renderings when explaining what kind of EV Dodge is doing.  

Dodge is doing EVs THEIR way. What is basically what they are defining what an EV muscle car should be.

Detroit did fast ICE cars in the 1960s the only way they knew how. And Dodge is was front and center in that time.  Detroit and Dodge didnt care what Europe was doing.  Like then, it seems Dodge doesnt care what Silicone Valley is doing. And I for one, if Dodge continues with this road and E-Muscle the way they just showed us, Im on board!!!

Hope Ford and Chevy jump on board with Dodge's vision of E-Muscle and along with sustainable business and fans and this EV thing will be a blast!!!   A muscle car renaissance!!! 

I have to say I am really liking this Dodge Charger Daytona SRT Concept. While not totally sold on the virtual sound, I get it that they want to give the killer cat sound.

Dodge - YouTube

The latest Commercial for this bad boy is very cool!

@oldshurst442 You should like the above Commercial. The car is HOT HOT HOT!