Goodbye Mr. Avalanche

WOW, Goodbye friend, guess that means the end of the life for Escalade EXT another loverly ride.

Wonder what Caddilac will replace it with? Chevy will miss not having this type of truck.

I have wished they would have applied this kind of cab to the Colorado. smaller truck with a useless bed could benefit by this cab system.

High gas prices and high prices have killed this vehicle. The Crew Cab is much cheaper to buy.

I liked these but I just never needed anything that big.

Truthfully, I never understood the need for a Silverado AND an Avalanche. Unless someone with greater truck knowledge than I possess can break it down, why couldn't the midgate just be included in a Silverado? Is there a necessary reason for a structurally-separate bed that offers real, practical value for a large customer segment?

Truthfully, I never understood the need for a Silverado AND an Avalanche. Unless someone with greater truck knowledge than I possess can break it down, why couldn't the midgate just be included in a Silverado? Is there a necessary reason for a structurally-separate bed that offers real, practical value for a large customer segment?

Avalanche had a better ride, more of a luxury truck.

Truthfully, I never understood the need for a Silverado AND an Avalanche. Unless someone with greater truck knowledge than I possess can break it down, why couldn't the midgate just be included in a Silverado? Is there a necessary reason for a structurally-separate bed that offers real, practical value for a large customer segment?

Normal pickups have separate beds for many reasons. The Avalanche is essentially a Suburban w/ an open rear end and is shorter than a normal 4dr pickup.

Good, Cadillac will get rid of that pickup truck they sell.

I'd rather have a luxurious pick-up in my marque's catalog, than a cheap, stripper cargo van!

did very many people use the midgate?

Full-sized crew cab pickups sacrifice bed space for the sake of a roomier cabin. The Avalanche makes no such sacrifice. If you've lived with one even for a short time you know they're uber useful. It's also IMO the best looking of the GMT900s.

Still will miss it though...I have the feeling this will be the first of more..

did very many people use the midgate?

me &my father have carried Snowmobiles and dirt bikes in it

midgate down or midgate up

he's carried long boards that went from the back of the front seatback all the way to out of the box

it's useful

Normal pickups have separate beds for many reasons.

I don't mean to call you out on this, but could you name a couple?

Only plus I have for the separate bed is that you can remove it when it gets sufficiently rusted out and dented up... and put a homemade flatbed on. But most pickup owners seem to have truck beds that have never seen real work.

As a van and wagon guy, I see few reasons for having a separate cab and bed.

and how often.

The Seperate cab and midgate could be done but the real issue with a truck doing this is the bed in mounted to the frame solid and the cab is made to move. Ths could create issues with cargo. You could used rubber etc to make a seal but you still would have one floor moving and the other one not.

Also I could see a loss of structure as the cab is made solid when you remove the back there is support in the cab. to tie them together would help give strength and support when a midgate is added.

Seperate beds also are key for fleet sales as even the short beds are easy to remove and replace with work boxes and other needs for construction and buisness applications. Things even like Tow beds etc can be added to any truck with a removable bed.

The key to the Avalance was it provided a more Suburban like vehicle that could still do the work of a larger full size truck. It was more a lifestyle vehicle vs work vehicle. They were great for hauling, towing and other task. It was somthing that people would haul Snow mobiles, ATV or a box trailer to a car meet vs to a construction site. It was ment for a different market.

Also the seperate bed was cheaper to buy and replace if damaged under work conditions.

I think we too often think of trucks as more and more a family vehicle but most are still used for work. We have had new models like the Tahoe and Avalance that are more geared for the family.

The Avalance is much like the Suburburban are not selling in numbers like they used too. In the Suburbans case it has much greater sales for work use and will carry on.

As for cab and beds combined we have had them in the fast at Ford in the 60's. In fact If I recall it was unibody too. It made for a cleaner design but it just never was a popular idea with traditional truck buyers in general. Ford also had issues with them bending in the middle.

The bottom line is the seperate bed is Versitility and that is one key in the truck markets that make trucks appealing. While it could be done the key is how many people would really want it. Would the added cost of different parts to do it make it worth making since the present trucks sell fine. In other words is it a question from buyers that need to be answered with the present vehicles selling fine and sharing many of the same parts?

If Honda can keep its pathetic truck running with an annual sales of less than what the Avalanche had, I see no reason for GM to discontinue the truck. GM as usual stopped marketing it and let it rot.

The problem with Avalanche was it was over priced compared to a Crew Cab by ~5,500. That is a lot of money.

With more expensive and volume trucks being its platform mates, with diesel and more efficient powertrains this truck could certainly be viable.

I think this is just the first move to smaller and more efficent trucks. We will see other large lower volume models that will be down sized or removed. Even with the different levels of regs there will still be a lot of changes. No matter how high the MPG gets the big three have to preserve the sales of the 1/2 ton pick up truck.

The Avalanche was big heavy and really never got any kind of MPG. My buddy has the latest version and loves if but the MPG is a killer even when he is not towing. He drives a Aveo daily to work and leaves the truck sit.

I think the next gen Chevy truck will just start to hint at some of the radical changes we will see down the road. The only thing that will save us from some really crazy stuff is new people in DC who are willing to give the MFG's the break they are asking for in 2017-18 with a review of where they are at. Right now our energy department people will not review and don't care.

Just to listen to the Energy Czar should scare any car owner. It is time to really get a relevent energy policy in place that is good for all. In fact any engergy policy would be a start.

Seperate beds also are key for fleet sales as even the short beds are easy to remove and replace with work boxes and other needs for construction and buisness applications. Things even like Tow beds etc can be added to any truck with a removable bed.

Nobody is suggesting that separate bed trucks are not built all. The question I posed are what benefits does the separate bed have to the end user... commercial chassis vehicles have no bed in the first place.

Of course, you need separate cab/bed units to satisfy makers of commercial chassis vehicles. OTOH, they don't make vans with a separate cab/cargo area... yet they still make commercial chassis vehicles out of truncated vans... more ironically, the vans are unibodies!

The Avalance is much like the Suburburban are not selling in numbers like they used too. In the Suburbans case it has much greater sales for work use and will carry on.

Then the Avalanche technology should be folded into the Suburban... boosting its sales.

As for cab and beds combined we have had them in the fast at Ford in the 60's. In fact If I recall it was unibody too. It made for a cleaner design but it just never was a popular idea with traditional truck buyers in general. Ford also had issues with them bending in the middle.

Its was also a cab-over design. The Corvair pickup never caught on, either... but thats partly because it was a Corvair.

Any issues bending in the middle would be because Ford simply made them too weak... like their 2011 Raptors that are bending in the middle.

I think this is just the first move to smaller and more efficent trucks. We will see other large lower volume models that will be down sized or removed. Even with the different levels of regs there will still be a lot of changes. No matter how high the MPG gets the big three have to preserve the sales of the 1/2 ton pick up truck.

Ironically, I feel the high gas prices will eventually deplete the 1/2 ton pick up truck end of the spectrum, pushing those people into smaller vehicle classes... because they will eventually realize they aren't ever hauling anything that needs a truck. Diluting these trucks into CUV-pickups will only hasten the fleeing.

OTOH, diluting the 1/2 ton trucks will cause the 3/4 and 1 ton models to become a separate line... because people who use them for actual work still need the hauling ability and towing ability... but like your Aveo driving friend, are going to leave the monster at home if they don't need it. Granted, people buying trucks to use as trucks is likely a vast minority... shame neither GM or Ford break the sales down between the weight classes.

Normal pickups have separate beds for many reasons.

I don't mean to call you out on this, but could you name a couple?

Only plus I have for the separate bed is that you can remove it when it gets sufficiently rusted out and dented up... and put a homemade flatbed on. But most pickup owners seem to have truck beds that have never seen real work.

As a van and wagon guy, I see few reasons for having a separate cab and bed.

I'm an SUV guy, but I'm sure the truck users on here have good explanations. Trucks have been built this way for a century or so, so there must be sound engineering reasons...for replacibilty, to facilitate building custom beds (think of the commercial custom beds used on trucks that were probably sold as cab and chassis units, etc.

Seperate beds also are key for fleet sales as even the short beds are easy to remove and replace with work boxes and other needs for construction and buisness applications. Things even like Tow beds etc can be added to any truck with a removable bed.

Nobody is suggesting that separate bed trucks are not built all. The question I posed are what benefits does the separate bed have to the end user... commercial chassis vehicles have no bed in the first place.

Of course, you need separate cab/bed units to satisfy makers of commercial chassis vehicles. OTOH, they don't make vans with a separate cab/cargo area... yet they still make commercial chassis vehicles out of truncated vans... more ironically, the vans are unibodies!

The Avalance is much like the Suburburban are not selling in numbers like they used too. In the Suburbans case it has much greater sales for work use and will carry on.

Then the Avalanche technology should be folded into the Suburban... boosting its sales.

As for cab and beds combined we have had them in the fast at Ford in the 60's. In fact If I recall it was unibody too. It made for a cleaner design but it just never was a popular idea with traditional truck buyers in general. Ford also had issues with them bending in the middle.

Its was also a cab-over design. The Corvair pickup never caught on, either... but thats partly because it was a Corvair.

Any issues bending in the middle would be because Ford simply made them too weak... like their 2011 Raptors that are bending in the middle.

First off some folks may not remember the old Fords since they were born well after and so few are left today.

Second offl I was not speaking of the Econoline Truck THe Truck I was speaking of was the 1963 F100 that was also offered in a traditional styled pick up with the bed attatched to the cab. They were stylish but iin later years they would get a sway back bend in them as they started to sag. The Econoline was more van cust down and as you said it did not catch on. Dodge also had their version too but to me they were not even in the same class as what we are speaking of here. .

Not all commercial truck are built without a bed. here in Ohio and Indiana where many trucks are converted we have companies with fields of take off beds as often they get cheaper prices on these trucks if they remain unsold and often just take the beds off and resell them. Most often the only chassis cabs are the one ton Duellies that are often found at dealers. You can special order the others but most people just remove the beds.

As for rolling the mid gate into the Suburban the same issue will be in play too expensive.

GM might have been better of skipping the Envoy XUV like a Avalanche. It would have been cheaper less complex, lighter and made the Envoy more flexible for someone wanting a SUV that could still haul larger things. It would have been like a Ford Sport Trac that had a bed that really could be used.

I think this is just the first move to smaller and more efficent trucks. We will see other large lower volume models that will be down sized or removed. Even with the different levels of regs there will still be a lot of changes. No matter how high the MPG gets the big three have to preserve the sales of the 1/2 ton pick up truck.

Ironically, I feel the high gas prices will eventually deplete the 1/2 ton pick up truck end of the spectrum, pushing those people into smaller vehicle classes... because they will eventually realize they aren't ever hauling anything that needs a truck. Diluting these trucks into CUV-pickups will only hasten the fleeing.

OTOH, diluting the 1/2 ton trucks will cause the 3/4 and 1 ton models to become a separate line... because people who use them for actual work still need the hauling ability and towing ability... but like your Aveo driving friend, are going to leave the monster at home if they don't need it. Granted, people buying trucks to use as trucks is likely a vast minority... shame neither GM or Ford break the sales down between the weight classes.

As it is now the 1/2 tons will get lighter and smaller engines to meet the regs. But the funny thing is the 3/4 ton and larger have less strict rules. Many think that this may lead MFG to build and market larger trucks to replace the 1/2 sales if the trucks shrink in size.

The idea would be like the old Heavy Half concept where it would be a light truck but it would get some beefy parts to move it up to a 3/4 ton rating. Either way the MFG will do all they can to beat the rules as with the number of sales at stake they can not afford to raise the price of a truck a lot or eleiminate the full size truck.

It was stated the other day the new fuel regs may price upto 7 million people out of the new car and truck market unless MFG can find cheaper ways to cut weight. The MFG who comes up with the ligher composites first will hold the edge. GM and Ford both have joined with suppliers to make Carbon Fiber less labor intense and we may see some kind of molded form of it. GM already said they have a way to make it in a shorter less energy way to cut cost.

Seperate beds also are key for fleet sales as even the short beds are easy to remove and replace with work boxes and other needs for construction and buisness applications. Things even like Tow beds etc can be added to any truck with a removable bed.

Nobody is suggesting that separate bed trucks are not built all. The question I posed are what benefits does the separate bed have to the end user... commercial chassis vehicles have no bed in the first place.

Of course, you need separate cab/bed units to satisfy makers of commercial chassis vehicles. OTOH, they don't make vans with a separate cab/cargo area... yet they still make commercial chassis vehicles out of truncated vans... more ironically, the vans are unibodies!

The Avalance is much like the Suburburban are not selling in numbers like they used too. In the Suburbans case it has much greater sales for work use and will carry on.

Then the Avalanche technology should be folded into the Suburban... boosting its sales.

As for cab and beds combined we have had them in the fast at Ford in the 60's. In fact If I recall it was unibody too. It made for a cleaner design but it just never was a popular idea with traditional truck buyers in general. Ford also had issues with them bending in the middle.

Its was also a cab-over design. The Corvair pickup never caught on, either... but thats partly because it was a Corvair.

Any issues bending in the middle would be because Ford simply made them too weak... like their 2011 Raptors that are bending in the middle.

First off some folks may not remember the old Fords since they were born well after and so few are left today.

Second offl I was not speaking of the Econoline Truck THe Truck I was speaking of was the 1963 F100 that was also offered in a traditional styled pick up with the bed attatched to the cab. They were stylish but iin later years they would get a sway back bend in them as they started to sag. The Econoline was more van cust down and as you said it did not catch on. Dodge also had their version too but to me they were not even in the same class as what we are speaking of here. .

Not all commercial truck are built without a bed. here in Ohio and Indiana where many trucks are converted we have companies with fields of take off beds as often they get cheaper prices on these trucks if they remain unsold and often just take the beds off and resell them. Most often the only chassis cabs are the one ton Duellies that are often found at dealers. You can special order the others but most people just remove the beds.

As for rolling the mid gate into the Suburban the same issue will be in play too expensive.

GM might have been better of skipping the Envoy XUV like a Avalanche. It would have been cheaper less complex, lighter and made the Envoy more flexible for someone wanting a SUV that could still haul larger things. It would have been like a Ford Sport Trac that had a bed that really could be used.

hyperV6 is referring to the limited production 1961-1963 Ford F-100 Unibody fullsize pickups:

However, these are more common:

Dodge A100:

Ford Econoline:

Chevrolet Corvair 95 Rampside:

Those trucks Rock We need some passion love of the cab over trucks. They really were pretty cool efficient haulers.

I always liked the Avalanche - too bad they are giving up on it.

Those little cabover pickups are so cool. I'd love to see a Tourneo Custom pickup.