Corvette ZR1 Leaks Out, Debuting In Dubai

Really looking forward to seeing what is powering this. A worked over LT4, or are we going to see the long-rumored DOHC here??

Very cool, love the tone of the engine!  That is a bad ass sounding V8!

I really hope Corvette stays true to their heritage and DOES NOT put in the over rated DOHC CRAP Motors! 

1 hour ago, dfelt said:

Very cool, love the tone of the engine!  That is a bad ass sounding V8!

I really hope Corvette stays true to their heritage and DOES NOT put in the over rated DOHC CRAP Motors! 

They have used DOHC in it before, for the record. 

I am curious as to what the engine will be.  No doubt it will be a fun car with great sounding exhaust.    I wonder if they will be able to put the power down to the ground though.  The Corvette needs all wheel drive on these higher power models.

2 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

They have used DOHC in it before, for the record. 

I understand, but I am not sold that you have to be DOHC to have performance. Too many proven non-dohc motors that run crazy and being a 10K red Line does not mean that is performance.

I am just happy with this information.

Mildly enthused if you will.

Dont get me wrong...its a Corvette variant that I will surely love.

But for me...the real anticipation is for this Vette:

Cue the song intro

As with the next episode in the saga

41 minutes ago, dfelt said:

I understand, but I am not sold that you have to be DOHC to have performance. Too many proven non-dohc motors that run crazy and being a 10K red Line does not mean that is performance.

All the non-DOHC performance engines, like the GM 6.2 liter V8 and the Hellcat V8 and, oh that's it.  All the Asian and European sports cars and Ford use DOHC.  You don't have to have DOHC, obviously GM makes 650 hp with a pushrod, but there are way more in the DOHC camp than there are in the pushrod camp.  The AMG DOHC V8 hits peak torque at 900 lower rpm than the GM 6.2 supercharged V8, so it isn't like you have to wind out a DOHC to 9,000 rpm to get anything out of it.

6 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

All the non-DOHC performance engines, like the GM 6.2 liter V8 and the Hellcat V8 and, oh that's it.  All the Asian and European sports cars and Ford use DOHC.  You don't have to have DOHC, obviously GM makes 650 hp with a pushrod, but there are way more in the DOHC camp than there are in the pushrod camp.  The AMG DOHC V8 hits peak torque at 900 lower rpm than the GM 6.2 supercharged V8, so it isn't like you have to wind out a DOHC to 9,000 rpm to get anything out of it.

You also do not have to have DOHC engines to have awesome engine performance even with Turbo's.

Plus no one even you SMK have proven that DOHC is a requirement to be a performance auto. Marketing fluff of DOHC engines that increase weight and inefficiencies. Sold by Europeans as they cannot build a competitive Pushrod motor.

26 minutes ago, dfelt said:

You also do not have to have DOHC engines to have awesome engine performance even with Turbo's.

Plus no one even you SMK have proven that DOHC is a requirement to be a performance auto. Marketing fluff of DOHC engines that increase weight and inefficiencies. Sold by Europeans as they cannot build a competitive Pushrod motor.

I know, that is why I said GM makes 650 hp from theirs, Dodge 707 hp from the Hellcat.  Plenty of power, putting on the ground is more the issue.    DOHC isn't a requirement to make horsepower, it is just what the majority does.

These brands use DOHC:

Alfa Romeo, Acura, Audi, Aston Martin, BMW, Jaguar, Mercedes, Porsche, Lexus, Infiniti, Lamborghini, Bugatti, Rolls-Royce, Ferrari, Maserati (Bentley has both, but phasing out pushrod with current Mulsanne)

These brands have pushrod engines:

Chevy, Cadillac, Dodge/Jeep/Chrysler

How many brands use V6s vs. I6s?
It's not about conforming, it's about results.

2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

I wonder if they will be able to put the power down to the ground though.  The Corvette needs all wheel drive on these higher power models.

You shouldn't be wondering :
 

6 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said:

Really looking forward to seeing what is powering this. A worked over LT4, or are we going to see the long-rumored DOHC here??

Other sources are stating it's the LT5, IBC, SC'd.
Scuttlebutt is the ZR1 is going to shoot flames out the exhaust.

8 hours ago, balthazar said:

You shouldn't be wondering :
 

Other sources are stating it's the LT5, IBC, SC'd.
Scuttlebutt is the ZR1 is going to shoot flames out the exhaust.

I read the article in Car & Driver last night.  It's the 6.2 LT5 with an Eaton supercharger..similar to the Z06, but larger supercharger, more power. 750hp, 680ft/lbs torque.   Because the blower is so tall, the center of the hood is left open for it to stick out...

The big rear wing and fin tips on the front air splitter are part of an option package...there is a 'base' ZR1 and the over-the-top one as pictured in the magazine article. 

11 hours ago, dfelt said:

I understand, but I am not sold that you have to be DOHC to have performance. Too many proven non-dohc motors that run crazy and being a 10K red Line does not mean that is performance.

I don’t have a horse in the Pushrod vs. DOHC race. I think its pretty dumb to argue about it personally. What I do know is that GM has been working on a DOHC V8 that seems destined for some version of the Vette, most likely the mid-engine model (assuming that actually happens) but it would not surprise me to see it in the ZR1 here.

I know it'll be all bad-ass and all but that front fascia sucks..

It looks like one of those kids who doesn't know how to smile yet.. 

5 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

I know it'll be all bad-ass and all but that front fascia sucks..

It looks like one of those kids who doesn't know how to smile yet.. 

The C7 styling is pretty over the top...same thing with the Camaro ZL1...great performance, nasty cartoon front end... Chevy--great performance, but such silly styling--can't they have beauty and performance?   The transformer robot cartoon styling is so played out... too much plastic and carbon fiber cheese...

10 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

I know it'll be all bad-ass and all but that front fascia sucks..

It looks like one of those kids who doesn't know how to smile yet.. 

Reminds me of the sucker fish that clean the fish tank, small open mouth in the center (To Get Maximum Cold Air) Gills on the sides, (thinking cold air vents for brakes?)

6 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

The C7 styling is pretty over the top...same thing with the Camaro ZL1...great performance, nasty cartoon front end... Chevy--great performance, but such silly styling--can't they have beauty and performance?   The transformer robot cartoon styling is so played out... too much plastic and carbon fiber cheese...

I agree that it is played out, but also understand the need to get cold air into the engine and into the brakes for stopping. I suspect we will not get back to elegant front end designs till the EV's hit. That is my hope that the EV's will bring us back to elegance and style.

2 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Reminds me of the sucker fish that clean the fish tank, small open mouth in the center (To Get Maximum Cold Air) Gills on the sides, (thinking cold air vents for brakes?)

I agree that it is played out, but also understand the need to get cold air into the engine and into the brakes for stopping. I suspect we will not get back to elegant front end designs till the EV's hit. That is my hope that the EV's will bring us back to elegance and style.

Oh, I understand the functional need to get air in..but can't they get air in without the violently ugly styling?   Alas, it's not just Chevy..it seems most performance and performance luxury cars today go for the violent cartoon robot styling...so boring and overdone, IMO....

14 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Oh, I understand the functional need to get air in..but can't they get air in without the violently ugly styling?   Alas, it's not just Chevy..it seems most performance and performance luxury cars today go for the violent cartoon robot styling...so boring and overdone, IMO....

I can totally understand you. I think the latest Prius line and Honda line are the most violently ugly auto's out there.

1 minute ago, dfelt said:

I can totally understand you. I think the latest Prius line and Honda line are the most violently ugly auto's out there.

...and what about the Mirai..

11 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

...and what about the Mirai..

Yes, forgot that ugly hydrogen bomb of an auto.

1 minute ago, dfelt said:

Yes, forgot that ugly hydrogen bomb of an auto.

The Prius looks mild by comparison, IMO

Who cares what SMK says.. I am on the line as saying that this car will hit the 750HP mark.. and BLOW ALL HIS BS AWAY

Stolen from a dude at Corvette Forum who read the C&D article:

Here is the info on the new Corvette!

- Starting price expected to be around $120k
- 7 speed manual and 8 speed automatic
- 1/2" wider than Z06 front wheels
- Mag Ride standard
- Carbon Ceramic Brakes
- 750hp/680 lb-ft LT5 (6.2L, pushrod V8, Eaton supercharger)
- Supercharger produces 52% more air per RPM than the Z06 blower, also 2.9" taller. 
- Because of the hood height, car can not be sold in Europe 
- Tadge claims the ZR1 can shoot flames out from its exhaust 
- NEW fuel delivery system- BOTH PORT INJECTION AND DIRECT INJECTION 
- sub 3 second 0-60, sub 11 second 1/4 mile, 210+ mph top speed
- 4 additional heat exchangers (comparing to Z06) in the nose
- Curb weight 3664 lbs, 140 lbs over Z06
- Several aero packages available, RPO "ZTK" as shown in magazine. Wing has 10 degrees of adjustability, contributing to 500 lbs of downforce at speed. 
- Wing is attached behind the hatch and spreads the load to the bumper beam.
- Removable top
- 2.5 seconds faster around VIR than Z06
 

Don't forget the honda clarity.

The issue in general with auto design is that the basic envelope is locked it- that hasn't changed in decades now.

If you look at a decade-decade changes, the industry has slowed to a crawl. For example, these are 10 years apart; we'll never see this degree of change again. A 1995 Camry & 2015 Camry are the same basic proportion/size. So what's left? increasingly (biazarre) & polarizing detailing.

Until the pods get here.

About the flames out the rear pipes...

I dont like that option...not one bit!

I dont think its a good idea.

Yeah! That option makes for a bad situation me thinks!

In my lowly and humble opinion...

Maybe they will be simulated flames. So as not catch pedestrians on fire.      As far as Lamborghinis, the flames usually come from out of the engine compartment or underneath, as they tend to catch fire easily.

12 hours ago, balthazar said:

You shouldn't be wondering :
 

Other sources are stating it's the LT5, IBC, SC'd.
Scuttlebutt is the ZR1 is going to shoot flames out the exhaust.

VIR is a fast truck with lots of new pavement. It's not indicative to real world results. The Z06 wants to light it's tires up every chance it gets. Another 100hp with the same size rubber isn't going to make things better.

1 hour ago, balthazar said:

Don't forget the honda clarity.

The issue in general with auto design is that the basic envelope is locked it- that hasn't changed in decades now.

If you look at a decade-decade changes, the industry has slowed to a crawl. For example, these are 10 years apart; we'll never see this degree of change again. A 1995 Camry & 2015 Camry are the same basic proportion/size. So what's left? increasingly (biazarre) & polarizing detailing.

Until the pods get here.

I don't kno.. Cadillac's art and science, Chevy, Buick..  truly has metamorphosed.. as has Nissan's look. Toyota is the wrong example to use. They are the epitome of SAFE

1 hour ago, oldshurst442 said:

 

 

 That's nuts. Maybe they will as CUBIC said be simulated.. or only be at quick contained spurts. Me? What the fuck is the point?

4 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Me? What the f@#k is the point?

I second that!

16 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

  That's nuts. Maybe they will as CUBIC said be simulated.. or only be at quick contained spurts. Me? What the fuck is the point?

It's like lighting a fart on fire.. heh-heh-heh.. maybe the Corvette team was inspired by Gundam and Transformers for styling, and Beavis and Butthead for some of the details...;)

31 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

 

VIR is a fast truck with lots of new pavement. It's not indicative to real world results. The Z06 wants to light it's tires up every chance it gets. Another 100hp with the same size rubber isn't going to make things better.

I will wait and see.. but various things could have been improved on this car to the point that any worry is moot. Hell the recent $350 Improved Magnetic Ride Calibrations that can be done at the dealership on the Z51 and Z06 are said to have improved times dramatically. I will also bring up that suspension tuning overall for this car are goin to be dialed to 15 vs the Z06 being 10. 

Also.. the reading shows WHY they decided to go with a OHV engine over a OHC. Simple styling of the exterior. Personally I see zero reason why they need to go OHC in this generation anyway. The Mid-Engine version can accommodate, but the visibility would be compromised looking out of the windshield if the HUMP were too big.

and this is HUGE (screen shot below). If U've ever driven a C7 Z06 this sounds like its gonna require new training. Seriously in the Z06 and CTS-V (haven't driven the new ZL1) that 640-650 is all the way there.. it will get U if U don't massage it proper like.. and send U literally in the other direction.. even at 70 MPH already (believe me.. I almost pissed myself in both) 

28 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

 That's nuts. Maybe they will as CUBIC said be simulated.. or only be at quick contained spurts. Me? What the fuck is the point?

23 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

I second that!

I make it a third, no reason to have flames shooting out of ones ass! 

3 minutes ago, dfelt said:

 

I make it a third, no reason to have flames shooting out of ones ass! 

5 minutes ago, dfelt said:

 

I make it a third, no reason to have flames shooting out of ones ass! 

Pulling things out of ones arse (thoughts, claims,arguments, thoughts on cars in general) has a long proud history here.

I really like the rationality and thoughtfulness of our current group of posters.  That being said, i agree....no need to have flames shoot out the back.

8 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said:

 

VIR is a fast truck with lots of new pavement. It's not indicative to real world results. The Z06 wants to light it's tires up every chance it gets. Another 100hp with the same size rubber isn't going to make things better.

Gotta see it on the Nurburgring, the great equalizer.

When the Camaro ZL1 ran Nurburing in 2011, it posted a 7:41 time (#61 on the top 100 list).
The '18 Camaro ZL1 was just run at 7:16 (#15 slot) - a time decrease of .25 sec.
The last Corvette ZR1 run was 7:19 in '12 (#19 slot), 22 secs quicker than the '11 ZL1.

Will be tremendously interesting to see how far Chevrolet cut their baby's lap time down. I predict they get a 7:00.

9 hours ago, balthazar said:

When the Camaro ZL1 ran Nurburing in 2011, it posted a 7:41 time (#61 on the top 100 list).
The '18 Camaro ZL1 was just run at 7:16 (#15 slot) - a time decrease of .25 sec.
The last Corvette ZR1 run was 7:19 in '12 (#19 slot), 22 secs quicker than the '11 ZL1.

Will be tremendously interesting to see how far Chevrolet cut their baby's lap time down. I predict they get a 7:00.

 

Which still puts them slower than the 4 cyl WRX STI that set the record at the Isle of Man...

Yes, it is a dedicated race car...but there is still a 4 cyl Subaru on the planet faster than that Corvette...Fantastic times we live in!

Dedicated race car on different road course entirely.
I see no one has bothered to run a subaru on the ring...
And there are Corvettes faster than the production times mentioned above, as you surely know, Mr Fantastic Times.

19 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Dedicated race car on different road course entirely.
I see no one has bothered to run a subaru on the ring...
And there are Corvettes faster than the production times mentioned above, as you surely know, Mr Fantastic Times.

"A Subaru WRX STI has just achieved the fastest lap for a four-door car around the Nurburgring, with a blistering six minute 57.5 seconds lap time. "

http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/856582/Subaru-WRX-STI-Nurburgring-times-track-lap-fastest

22 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

I will wait and see.. but various things could have been improved on this car to the point that any worry is moot. Hell the recent $350 Improved Magnetic Ride Calibrations that can be done at the dealership on the Z51 and Z06 are said to have improved times dramatically. I will also bring up that suspension tuning overall for this car are goin to be dialed to 15 vs the Z06 being 10. 

Also.. the reading shows WHY they decided to go with a OHV engine over a OHC. Simple styling of the exterior. Personally I see zero reason why they need to go OHC in this generation anyway. The Mid-Engine version can accommodate, but the visibility would be compromised looking out of the windshield if the HUMP were too big.

 

and this is HUGE (screen shot below). If U've ever driven a C7 Z06 this sounds like its gonna require new training. Seriously in the Z06 and CTS-V (haven't driven the new ZL1) that 640-650 is all the way there.. it will get U if U don't massage it proper like.. and send U literally in the other direction.. even at 70 MPH already (believe me.. I almost pissed myself in both) 

 

Except the articles out there so far point to there being next to no changes as far as braking and suspension is concerned. Tires are also the same size. It's got no major adjustments that's suddenly going to make this well behaved. The aero isn't going to help it on the street.

2 hours ago, ykX said:

"A Subaru WRX STI has just achieved the fastest lap for a four-door car around the Nurburgring, with a blistering six minute 57.5 seconds lap time. "

http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/856582/Subaru-WRX-STI-Nurburgring-times-track-lap-fastest

C'mon- that's not a production WRX STI, it's a full-cage modified WRX STI Type RA NBR race car. It has 600 HP vs. the OEM 305.

I don’t care about a Subaru race car time compared to a production car, a Formula 1 car could do the Nurburgring ring in about 5:30, compare the Subaru to that.

7 minutes for a production car is like cracking the 4 minute mile for a runner.

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

I don’t care about a Subaru race car time compared to a production car, a Formula 1 car could do the Nurburgring ring in about 5:30, compare the Subaru to that.

7 minutes for a production car is like cracking the 4 minute mile for a runner.

Agree, keep the comparison in an apple to apple, not an apple to Lime.

1 hour ago, balthazar said:

C'mon- that's not a production WRX STI, it's a full-cage modified WRX STI Type RA NBR race car. It has 600 HP vs. the OEM 305.

You said nobody ran Subaru on the 'Ring.  That was just recent example but there were a number of them that ran.

For example in 2011 production STi set record for a four door at 7:55

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2010/06/2011-subaru-wrx-sti-sets-new-4-door-nurburgring-record-with-755-lap-time-video.html

Nevertheless, the car is not measured purely by the 'Ring time.

I hope ZR1 is fastest but for now it is just a preview, no reason to have a 10 page argument about something nobody knows for sure yet.

2 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said:

 

Except the articles out there so far point to there being next to no changes as far as braking and suspension is concerned. Tires are also the same size. It's got no major adjustments that's suddenly going to make this well behaved. The aero isn't going to help it on the street.

 I'm not even completely confident the 750HP (I wouldn't be surprised if its more) number let alone the rest of the articles. The REVEAL will answer all questions.. and my comment above was speculation. The car is gonna be on point nonetheless. 

42 minutes ago, ykX said:

You said nobody ran Subaru on the 'Ring.  That was just recent example but there were a number of them that ran.

For example in 2011 production STi set record for a four door at 7:55

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2010/06/2011-subaru-wrx-sti-sets-new-4-door-nurburgring-record-with-755-lap-time-video.html

Nevertheless, the car is not measured purely by the 'Ring time.

I hope ZR1 is fastest but for now it is just a preview, no reason to have a 10 page argument about something nobody knows for sure yet.

THIS!!!

52 minutes ago, ykX said:

You said nobody ran Subaru on the 'Ring.  That was just recent example but there were a number of them that ran.

The official list at Nurburing, I believe, is all production/semi-production vehicles, not one-off custom race cars. Sure others have run, but this is a discussion about the upcoming production ZR1. I'm sure the CR7 could be run there too, but these cars are another discussion. Has Subaru or a sponsor run a production STI there?

4 hours ago, ykX said:

"A Subaru WRX STI has just achieved the fastest lap for a four-door car around the Nurburgring, with a blistering six minute 57.5 seconds lap time. "

http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/856582/Subaru-WRX-STI-Nurburgring-times-track-lap-fastest

Yea saw that here too:

https://www.autoblog.com/2017/09/15/subaru-wtx-sti-nurburgring-record-run-video/

Yes special race version, not a production street daily driver version. So it holds little in the comparison to the rest of production street driven versions.

2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

I don’t care about a Subaru race car time compared to a production car, a Formula 1 car could do the Nurburgring ring in about 5:30, compare the Subaru to that.

7 minutes for a production car is like cracking the 4 minute mile for a runner.

I just had to needle everyone a bit...

And yes, I would take a Subaru over a Benz.

Sadly, I don't think I would take any Subaru over any US benz. I'd rather a slow CLA or GLA over a super dated STi. Yeah, they wouldn't win any races but they'd be better daily drivers and still not legitimately slow.