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    Chevrolet Surprises Everyone With 2018 Equinox

      The beginning of fall brings a new Equinox


    We weren't expecting this, but Chevrolet has revealed the all-new 2018 Equinox tonight in Chicago. 

    The exterior borrows heavily from the Cruze and Malibu designs. Up front is a revised grille (similar to the one seen on the Cruze) with new headlights and LED daytime running lights. Around the side is a character line that swoops down and 'Equinox' name on the front doors. The back features a restyled tailgate, blacked-out pillars to give the impression of wrap-around glass, and horizontal taillights. The interior matches up with newer Chevrolet models with a floating screen (either seven or eight-inches) and either cloth or leather covering bits of the dash. One key item Chevrolet is quick to point is the dashboard is lower to provide better visibility.

    There will be three turbocharged four-cylinders on offer; a 1.5L, 2.0L, and a 1.6L diesel. The 2.0L turbo will come paired with GM's new nine-speed automatic. We're guessing the 1.5 and 1.6 will get a six-speed automatic. Front-wheel drive will come standard and an all-wheel drive system with a disconnecting rear axle when not in use will be optional. One item we're glad to see is Chevrolet dropping 400 pounds out of the Equinox.

    On the safety front, the Equinox will feature the options of surround-view camera system, forward collision warning, autonomous emergency braking, lane keep assist, and blind spot monitoring with rear cross traffic alert. Two new features will be Teen Driver (can set limits on speed and volume for your young driver) and Rear Seat Reminder (reminds you to check the back seat to prevent kids from overheating on a hot day).

    No word on pricing, but Chevrolet says the 2018 Equinox will arrive at dealers in the first quarter of 2017.

    Source: Chevrolet
    Press Release is on Page 2


    CHEVROLET INTRODUCES ALL-NEW 2018 EQUINOX

    • The perfect balance of design and technology

    DETROIT — Call it the right balance. On the autumnal equinox today, Chevrolet introduced the all-new 2018 Equinox, a fresh and modern SUV sized and designed to meet the needs of the compact SUV customer.

    “We’ve got the strongest truck business in the industry and we’ve reinvigorated our car lineup with Volt, Cruze and Malibu,” said Alan Batey, Global Chevrolet president. “We’re applying the same customer focus to grow our crossover/SUV business — starting with the Chevrolet Equinox.”

    Today’s compact SUV customers want a vehicle that meets all of their needs, from design, connectivity and safety perspectives. The Equinox delivers on all fronts, starting with its fresh new design and all-new propulsion systems.

    Fresh, new design
    The new Equinox’s expressive exterior has a lean, muscular skin echoing the global Chevrolet design cues and sculpted shapes seen in the Volt, Malibu and Cruze. Extensive aero development in the wind tunnel influenced the sleek shape.

    It is a richer, more detailed design featuring chrome trim on all models and Malibu-inspired styling. Projector-beam headlamps are standard, along with LED daytime running lamps. At the rear, horizontal taillamps emphasize the Equinox’s wide stance, while uplevel models feature LED taillamps. 

    “Customers who previewed the vehicle early on had a strong emotional response to the sleek and sophisticated exterior design,” said John Cafaro, executive director, GM Design. “Those same themes are carried through to the interior, making the space beautifully intuitive.”

    The interior takes advantage of the Equinox’s all-new architecture to offer a down-and-away instrument panel, while a low windshield base provides a commanding outward view. New elements such as available denim-style seat fabric blend high style with high durability, while a new “kneeling” rear seat enhances functionality. With it, the bottom cushions tilt forward when the split-folding seatbacks are lowered, allowing a flat floor for easier loading.

    Connectivity
    The 2018 Equinox offers purposeful technology that helps keep passengers safe, comfortable and connected.

    Chevrolet’s latest connectivity technologies are front and center, including 7- and 8-inch-diagonal MyLink infotainment systems designed to support Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, as well as an available OnStar 4G LTE Wi-Fi hotspot. (Apple CarPlay and Android Auto compatibility is subject to their terms, privacy statements and data plan rates, as well as a compatible smartphone.)

    Safety
    The Equinox offers a comprehensive suite of available active safety technologies and adaptive crash-avoidance features that provide ease of use and peace of mind on the road.

    Teen Driver is also offered, allowing parents to set controls and review an in-vehicle report card in order to encourage safer driving habits, even when they are not in the vehicle.  

    Available advanced active safety features to enhance driver awareness on the road include radar- and camera-based adaptive technologies that can provide alerts to potential crash threats, allowing the driver to react and make changes to avoid them, including:

    • New Safety Alert Seat
    • New Surround Vision
    • New Forward Collision Alert with Following Distance Indicator
    • New Low-Speed Forward Automatic Braking
    • New Lane Keep Assist with Lane Departure Warning
    • New Rear Seat Reminder
    • Lane Change Alert with Side Blind Zone Alert 
    • Rear Cross Traffic Alert

    Turbocharged engines and more 
    A range of three turbocharged engines — including the compact SUV segment’s first turbo-diesel in North America — provides customers more choices when it comes to performance, efficiency and capability in the all-new 2018 Chevrolet Equinox.

    They include a 1.5L turbo, a 2.0L turbo — matched with GM’s new nine-speed automatic transmission — and a 1.6L turbo-diesel.

    “With three choices, customers can select an engine that offers more of the attributes that are important to them: efficiency, performance and capability,” said Dan Nicholson, vice president, Global Propulsion Systems. “The advantage for each is the power of a larger engine and the efficiency of a smaller engine.”

    The new Equinox is the first Chevrolet model in North America to use an all-turbocharged, multi-engine powertrain lineup. That includes the expected segment-exclusive 1.6L turbo-diesel that will offer customers excellent efficiency and capability.

    “It is an all-new SUV from the ground up and one that takes on the industry’s biggest competitors with a stronger architecture, greater efficiency and more technology,” said Rick Spina, executive chief engineer. “And it looks great doing it.”

    Additional vehicle highlights:

    • Approximately 400 pounds (180 kg) lighter than the current model — a 10 percent weight reduction
    • Switchable AWD system that enhances efficiency by disconnecting from the rear axle when not needed 
    • Unique kneeling rear seat that enables a flat rear load floor and up to 63.5 cubic feet (1,798 liters) of maximum cargo space

    Equinox sales have reached more than 2 million since its launch and it is Chevrolet’s second-best retail selling vehicle, after the Silverado.

    The 2018 Equinox goes on sale in the first quarter of 2017 in North America. It rolls out to approximately 115 additional global markets later in the year.

    2018 CHEVROLET EQUINOX PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS 
    (NORTH AMERICA)

    Overview


    Models:

    2018 Chevrolet Equinox

    Body style / driveline:

    five-passenger, four-door SUV, front-engine, front- or all-wheel drive

    EPA vehicle class:

    compact SUV

    Powertrains


    Engine / Type:

    1.5L turbo DOHC DI

    2.0L turbo DOHC DI

    1.6L turbo-diesel

    Block material:

    cast aluminum

    cast aluminum

    cast aluminum

    Cylinder head material:

    cast aluminum

    cast aluminum

    cast aluminum

    Fuel delivery:

    direct injection

    direct injection

    direct injection

    Horsepower (hp / kW):

    170 / 127 (GM-estimated)

    252 / 188 (GM-estimated)

    136 / 101 (GM-estimated)

    Torque (lb.-ft. / Nm):

    203 / 275 (GM-estimated)

    260 / 353 (GM-estimated)

    236 / 320 (GM-estimated)

    GM-est. fuel economy:

    31 hwy

    28 hwy

    40 hwy

    Transmission:

    Hydra-Matic 6T40 six-speed automatic

    Hydra-Matic 9T50 nine-speed automatic

    Hydra-Matic 6T45 six-speed automatic

    Chassis / Suspension


    Suspension (front):

    MacPherson strut with side-loaded modules, specifically tuned coil springs, direct-acting stabilizer bar

    Suspension (rear): 

    4 Link Independent Rear Suspension

    Steering type:

    Dual Rack and Pinion Electric Power Steering

    Turning circle (ft / m):

    37.4 / 11.4 (17-inch wheels)

    Brakes & Wheels


    Brake type:

    four-wheel disc with ABS and ESC; Duralife rotors and low-drag calipers (US)

    Wheel size and type:

    17-, 18- and 19-inch aluminum

    Exterior Dimensions


    Wheelbase (in / mm):

    107.3 / 2725

    Overall length (in / mm):

    183.1 / 4652

    Overall width (in / mm):

    72.6 / 1843

    Overall height (in / mm):

    65.4 / 1661

    Track (in / mm):

    front: 62.2 / 1580
    rear: 62.2 / 1581

    Interior Dimensions


    Seating capacity:

    2 / 3

    Headroom (in / mm):

    Front - 40.0/1015 (w/o SR), 38.2/970 (w/ Sunroof)
    Rear - 38.5/977 (w/o SR), 36.9/936 (w/ Sunroof)

    Legroom (in / mm):

    40.9 / 1040 (front)
    39.7 / 1008 (rear)

    Shoulder room (in / mm):

    57.2 / 1452 (front)
    55.5 / 1410 (rear)

    Hip room (in / mm):

    54.2 / 1377 (front)
    51.7 / 1314 (rear)

    Weights & Capacities


    Base curb weight (lb / kg):

    3327 / 1509 (1.5L w/ FWD)

    Fuel capacity (gal / L):

    14.7 / 55 (FWD)
    TBD (AWD)
    15.5 / 58 (1.6L diesel)

    Max cargo room (cu ft / L):

    29.9 / 846 (behind rear seat)
    63.5 / 1798 (rear seat folded)

    Max trailering (lb / kg):

    3500 / 1585 (2.0L turbo)

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    This thing is ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS!  Look at that diesel highway fuel mileage... 40 MPG in a conventionally fueled, NORMAL everyday useful vehicle.  I just may have to start a new, short list of vehicles to move into!

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    Looks good and should remain Chevys second best seller. 

    It appears much better packaged than the present and the loss of 400 pounds is impressive. 

    The two tone interior is a welcome sight. It should really help in a segment where so many just offer dark and darker interiors. 

    I am glad they went with the 2.0 as it is a great engine. 

    The loss of the V6 is not a big deal as the weight loss will keep the performance about the same or better with more MPG. 

     

    I just hope they added the ceiling vents to the rear like on the Acadia. The present model has poor AC and Heat. 

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    Looks VERY good! It has the corporate face like the rest of the Chevy cars but that isn't a bad thing to me. I think it looks really really good.

    ..seats still don't fold flat though..? 

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    What a lovely CUV! :metal: Honestly if you look at the over all shap, same as the old one generally speaking, but they went and gave it some sexy body lines which built character into the car, used a freakin kick ass color with two-tone interior. What is not to love about this car. I am happy they went with a torquey diesel option. It will be interesting to see how many people take the diesel based on the cost GM charges for it. If it is like 1500 to 2000 dollars, then it is a no brainer. But if they go over that, I think it will be a hard sell.

    Diesel with AWD would make this an awesome CUV. If they keep the same engine lineup in the Terrain which I am expecting to be more butch, then this will really rock! :D

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    Around the back it reminds me of the Aussie Trailblazer.

    6 hours ago, daves87rs said:

    Would love to see it in another color and not the top trim level all the time......

    Family is still considering one of these...and the new one is a looker....

    Uncle Dave, if you go over to Chevy's site, you can see the new Equinox in a couple of different colors under the "performance" button.  Just click on the different engine options and you can see it rolling in CGI in different colors.

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    10 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    Looks VERY good! It has the corporate face like the rest of the Chevy cars but that isn't a bad thing to me. I think it looks really really good.

    ..seats still don't fold flat though..? 

    I think the seats do fold flat. But the picture Chevrolet provided gives the impression it doesn't. 

    11 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Wow! That's really attractive! I look forward to seeing the new Terrain. 

    Same. We should be hearing something in the near future.

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    Whisper Whisper, can you tell it is a diesel? That will surprise peeps.

    Again, I hope the up front cost is minimal as 1,500-2,000 is a good upgrade cost, but if they go 3,000 + then they will have lost the chance to move them well.

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    It is much better looking than the current Equinox, the current car has dopey looking headlights.  Even though this has a strong Acura/Honda vibe from the headlights and grill I like it.  Good engine choices, I doubt many buy the diesel but it is worth giving it a shot, 3 engine choices is better than 2.

    downsizing it was an excellent  idea, the  Equinox now is like Edge size, it is a foot longer than an Escape or CRV.  Now they can slot a crossover in between Equinox and Traverse.

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    nothing less than a homerun.  Diesel a big surprise.  Wish this had been out 3 months ago :)

    it's stylistically consistent with the Malibu.  It also is highly similar to the current model in style, so it's not 'changing the product' in the public's eyes.  Looks like they got the size part right too.

    This chassis has room (see Envision).  This will hit the jackpot with room and space plus light weight and good mpg.  This will probably end up the best selling chevrolet.

    1.5 is a better base engine than the 2.5NA but the extra weight of the Equinox vs the malibu, and having driven this 1.5 for 3 months now, i think more folks should consider the 2.0 if you want a lot of oomph.  Hybrid should have been offered as well.  Bet the 1.5 is a huge dog when paired with AWD.

    Now let's see if GM can keep the price in check.  I should tell my mom to wait for this instead of a good used SRX

     

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    I don't know about the exterior styling from those photos... but everything else on paper sounds very good. The diesel is a interesting choice. 

     

    I guess you don't need the hybrid when it's got that, and I think for crossovers and utilities, diesel might make a better option. i dunno, but it is a fresh entry from Chevy after a long in the tooth run of the last gen. 

     

    Now they've got potentially 4 crossovers soon on this same platform, Envision, XT3, Equinox and Terrain. Is the Terrain supposed to become more off-road focused?

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    Everybody says don't buy a 1.5 Escape... go for the 2.0.  Will they say the same about this Chevrolet and its 1.5L?  I hope the diesel is not ridiculously priced.

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    18 hours ago, ocnblu said:

    Around the back it reminds me of the Aussie Trailblazer.

    Uncle Dave, if you go over to Chevy's site, you can see the new Equinox in a couple of different colors under the "performance" button.  Just click on the different engine options and you can see it rolling in CGI in different colors.

    Will have to check it out!

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    chevy's web site says 40 mpg highway for the diesel is expected.

     

    Motor Trend says

    The new 1.5-liter shares architecture with those in other products but gets its own unique cam timing (later intake valve closure) and an improved turbocharger to boost performance and economy in the Equinox fitment. It is expected to be SAE certified to 170 hp and 203 lb-ft. "

     

    http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/equinox/2018/2018-chevrolet-equinox-first-look-review/

     

    for the diesel:

    "We’re promised it makes the Equinox fun to drive with an output of 136 hp and 236 lb-ft of torque and an estimated highway fuel economy rating of 40 mpg. All three engines will feature auto start/stop."

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    9 hours ago, regfootball said:

    chevy's web site says 40 mpg highway for the diesel is expected.

     

    Motor Trend says

    The new 1.5-liter shares architecture with those in other products but gets its own unique cam timing (later intake valve closure) and an improved turbocharger to boost performance and economy in the Equinox fitment. It is expected to be SAE certified to 170 hp and 203 lb-ft. "

     

    http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/equinox/2018/2018-chevrolet-equinox-first-look-review/

     

    for the diesel:

    "We’re promised it makes the Equinox fun to drive with an output of 136 hp and 236 lb-ft of torque and an estimated highway fuel economy rating of 40 mpg. All three engines will feature auto start/stop."

     

     

    Leave it to MT to come up with a "Fun to drive" scenario for an effin CUV. Lost and confused as to what people buy and why. 

    This vehicle could be a game changer in the segment since really the only place a diesel is avail is over at the German three. The Q3 Diesel was rated at 20/29.. 

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    Seems to me 170 hp and 203 ft/lbs torque in a relatively lightweight CUV will be fine for a majority of drivers.  Of course the 2.0t stats sound even better, but I would be looking at an LT, so I am not sure of availability.

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    that bump in power and torque vs. 160/184 is quite a bit.  Whatever extra pounds the new Equinox carries compared to the Malibu will probably be offset by that extra juice.

    the Equinox has a smaller wheelbase and therefore too some of the weight came out of the chassis just by making it shorter.  

    For most of the driving population nowadays that's what we will be ordered to have, tiny turbos.  If you want power you have to pony up big bucks for a bigger four cylinder.  Pony up another 10-15 grand if you want a car with a 300hp v6.

    My 1.5 pulled 42.6 mpg on a 30 mile run on 60 mph crusing after i filled it the other day though......when it does that, maybe more power isn't needed........ lifetime mpg is sitting at right about 33 right now.......  anyone who buys an Equinox would be thrilled to get 30 mpg.... or high twenties with AWD

    ---edit----  wonder if the no Equinox hybrid is due to the not really a good place for the packaging of the batteries.....  is this the Cruze platform or Malibu?  It sort of tips it to be more related to the Cruze because the Cruze gets the diesel, the wheelbases almost match, and the Cruze doesn't get a hybrid.

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    Yes some of the weigh is due to over all size coming down. But the interior should have close to the same usable room due to better packaging. We like ours but it is not packaged well due to hard points. 


    The price should fall a little since it dropped a size class just as the Acadia. 

    The rear vent and heat are the greatest improvement. 

    As for folding flat. To be honest it has helped me more not folding flat as I can carry 2x4 with the front seats up and lay them over the console as the rear seat holds them up. Same for the Soap Box Derby car as the tail fits over the console and between the seats. It would never do that flat. I expected it to be an issue but to be honest it has been a blessing more often. 

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    On 9/24/2016 at 7:18 PM, Paolino said:

    Interesting... it seems as though the 2nd row seats get heated as an option.  This pic is on the Chevrolet website.

     

     

    Looks like heated and ventilated 

    On 9/25/2016 at 2:20 AM, regfootball said:

     

    ---edit----  wonder if the no Equinox hybrid is due to the not really a good place for the packaging of the batteries.....  is this the Cruze platform or Malibu?  It sort of tips it to be more related to the Cruze because the Cruze gets the diesel, the wheelbases almost match, and the Cruze doesn't get a hybrid.

    This is the Cruze/Volt platform.. D2xx. I would say that it is still a possibility for a hybrid after the diesel actually lands a few sales.

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    8 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    Looks like heated and ventilated 

    This is the Cruze/Volt platform.. D2xx. I would say that it is still a possibility for a hybrid after the diesel actually lands a few sales.

    I thought so at first, and then I was talking to Drew and it is more-likely the option to just put on the heated seatbacks, not cooled seats.

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    http://www.fool.com/investing/2016/09/25/why-gm-is-offering-a-diesel-in-2018-chevy-equinox.aspx

    "So what's all-new about the Equinox?

    Everything. For starters, it's four inches shorter and 400 pounds lighter than the outgoing model, but it has an additional 3.5 cubic feet of interior space. It's built on a new vehicle architecture, called "D2XX" in GM-speak, that underpins several other recent GM vehicles, including the well-regarded Buick Equinox crossover."

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    On ‎9‎/‎27‎/‎2016 at 9:07 AM, Cmicasa the Great said:

    This is the Cruze/Volt platform.. D2xx. I would say that it is still a possibility for a hybrid after the diesel actually lands a few sales.

    I didn't realize the Volt was shared with anything. I thought it was just it's own purpose built EV/Hybrid.

    On ‎9‎/‎25‎/‎2016 at 0:34 PM, hyperv6 said:

    Yes some of the weigh is due to over all size coming down. But the interior should have close to the same usable room due to better packaging. We like ours but it is not packaged well due to hard points. 


    The price should fall a little since it dropped a size class just as the Acadia. 

    The rear vent and heat are the greatest improvement. 

    As for folding flat. To be honest it has helped me more not folding flat as I can carry 2x4 with the front seats up and lay them over the console as the rear seat holds them up. Same for the Soap Box Derby car as the tail fits over the console and between the seats. It would never do that flat. I expected it to be an issue but to be honest it has been a blessing more often. 

    It's definitely been more beneficial that my seats fold flat than if they didn't fold flat. It might help in some rare situations but it's hard to believe somebody would want them to be angled more often than flat. It's easier to throw a blanket under the seat to keep it angled than to want it flat and you just can't.

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    4 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    I didn't realize the Volt was shared with anything. I thought it was just it's own purpose built EV/Hybrid.

     

    The Envision too, is a part of the Platform . Expect more.. as GM has been very vocal about consolidating its platforms.

    To the Cruze and Volt.. they IMO, look almost identical

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    10 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    I didn't realize the Volt was shared with anything. I thought it was just it's own purpose built EV/Hybrid.

    It's definitely been more beneficial that my seats fold flat than if they didn't fold flat. It might help in some rare situations but it's hard to believe somebody would want them to be angled more often than flat. It's easier to throw a blanket under the seat to keep it angled than to want it flat and you just can't.

    I though the same thing too when we bought it but I have found it to help in long loads and not even be an issue on other loads. 

    What appears to be an issue turned out to be a non issue and even benefit when ever I haul the derby car and countless loads of 2x4's. 


    I guess this could be classified as one of those don't knock it unless you lived with it. 

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    17 minutes ago, hyperv6 said:

    I though the same thing too when we bought it but I have found it to help in long loads and not even be an issue on other loads. 

    What appears to be an issue turned out to be a non issue and even benefit when ever I haul the derby car and countless loads of 2x4's. 


    I guess this could be classified as one of those don't knock it unless you lived with it. 

    While I am genuinely glad that it has worked out for you I would think the option of folding flat and if you need it angled up some you can throw blankets or something under there would be better as a whole. I've folded mine flat only a couple of times but I think flat would be more beneficial in most cases. 

    I guess it also depends on how close to flat they are. I know the older vehicles that had folding rear seats really just leaned up against the front two seats. So even if they don't fold perfectly flat they're all pretty close now, I'd assume. 

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    On 9/25/2016 at 1:20 AM, regfootball said:

    ---edit----  wonder if the no Equinox hybrid is due to the not really a good place for the packaging of the batteries.....  is this the Cruze platform or Malibu?  It sort of tips it to be more related to the Cruze because the Cruze gets the diesel, the wheelbases almost match, and the Cruze doesn't get a hybrid.

    oreally?

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    21 minutes ago, regfootball said:

    if that's what i think it is, you've hit the jackpot.  Or just taking a spin.  That's the plug in hybrid though....

    My point was that there is a Cruze hybrid... they just don't call it a Cruze... nor a hybrid....

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    On ‎10‎/‎4‎/‎2016 at 8:50 PM, ccap41 said:

    While I am genuinely glad that it has worked out for you I would think the option of folding flat and if you need it angled up some you can throw blankets or something under there would be better as a whole. I've folded mine flat only a couple of times but I think flat would be more beneficial in most cases. 

    I guess it also depends on how close to flat they are. I know the older vehicles that had folding rear seats really just leaned up against the front two seats. So even if they don't fold perfectly flat they're all pretty close now, I'd assume. 

    My point is simply that because they are not perfectly flat that they are not rendered useless as many assume. I assumed and found different even myself.

    I expected issues but it has not been an issue. Ideally flat is the best but the slight incline has created no issues and in my case been found to be a benefit.

    On ‎10‎/‎4‎/‎2016 at 8:55 PM, Drew Dowdell said:

    oreally?

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    There is tons of room for batteries.

    the problem is the tall profile and large frontal area. Drag is the killer for range on batteries and a tall vehicle as this it would cut into the range.

    Note even the Tesla X is a short SUV or a little taller car. They kept it low and the frontal areas is very reduced.

    Until ranges increase I do not expect much with the Volt or Bolt to be used in a CUV.

    Even the Bolt because of the upright profile has been called a train wreck for aero numbers on an EV car. But they were willing to compromise for better utility.

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    I want one of those Cruze Hybrid thingys. I would just paint those chrome grille thingies black because chrome sucks. If they depreciate like the last Volt has I would like to be in one next year when the '18's come out for less than 20k.

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    More or less no news here. 

    The high strength steel mostly in the cage area of the unibody. Generally if it is hit hard enough to do damage to it most times the car is totaled out. Frame Racks can only go so far to repair damage anymore on these as the cost to bend it back and the labor for the other repairs are over the limit anyways. 

    Funny how they make an issue here when the Ford Aluminum body is more likely to be the recpient of minor damage that will require full body panel replacement. Get hit in the quarter panel and you have to replace the entire panel. Door Dings are limited to paintless repair as Aluminum has no memory. Cracks and the ability to get it right is not as easy. 

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