2017 Chevrolet Cruze Hatchback To Start At $22,190*

Wow that sounds a little pricey to me.. This is still a compact car.

Focus Hatch: $19,015

Mazda 3: $18,545

Golf: $20,175

Forte5: $18,090

Elantra GT: $18,800

Impreza Hatch: $18,795

WOW, until I looked at the upper left corner and saw the Chevy Logo, I thought they were showing off a Mazda. That long ass nose and over all body shape reminds me of a Mazda CX3.

I want one.  LT RS in Arctic Blue with a stickshift and GM accessory 17" wheels.

  On 6/17/2016 at 6:15 PM, ccap41 said:

Wow that sounds a little pricey to me.. This is still a compact car.

 

Focus Hatch: $19,015

Mazda 3: $18,545

Golf: $20,175

Forte5: $18,090

Elantra GT: $18,800

Impreza Hatch: $18,795

It's premature to assume these things until we see what it comes with standard.

"It should be noted that the hatchback isn't offered in the base L or LS trims like the sedan. The more apt comparison would the Cruze LT sedan which begins at $20,695. Comparing the prices of the LT models sees a difference of $1,495."

That's a bit much....

You would think they would make these in L and LS trim, as small businesses would use them (think HHRish)

It is pricey, but it is also a more up level trim Cruze.  I am not sure how it compares to all those other cars trim levels though.  And Car and Driver just has a comparison in this segment which the Mazda 3 won for the 3rd time in a row, so that is still the best buy.  I don't think the Cruze hatch is overpriced compared to the Cruze sedan, when you look at it that way the hatch might be a good value, it costs about the same equally equipped.

I think the Sonic and Spark need combined into one sub-compact cheap car, that is like $13,500 and bare bones.  The Cruze should shrink in size and price closer to what the Sonic is now, this way Malibu and Impala stick around.  As they push the Cruze up market, it gets right on top of the Malibu, and big cars aren't selling, if the Malibu grows anymore they'll discontinue the Impala.  

  On 6/18/2016 at 2:09 AM, surreal1272 said:

 

  On 6/17/2016 at 6:15 PM, ccap41 said:

Wow that sounds a little pricey to me.. This is still a compact car.

 

Focus Hatch: $19,015

Mazda 3: $18,545

Golf: $20,175

Forte5: $18,090

Elantra GT: $18,800

Impreza Hatch: $18,795

It's premature to assume these things until we see what it comes with standard.

 

"It should be noted that the hatchback isn't offered in the base L or LS trims like the sedan. The more apt comparison would the Cruze LT sedan which begins at $20,695. Comparing the prices of the LT models sees a difference of $1,495."

 

You're definitely right but that sucks that you're again forced into a package if you want a hatch. 

A lot of people like the added space and ability of a hatch and you have to pony up a few grand more for Chevy's as opposed to those others listed. Not everybody wants or can afford the creature comforts but need the space of a hatch.

  On 6/18/2016 at 6:01 PM, ccap41 said:

  On 6/18/2016 at 2:09 AM, surreal1272 said:

  On 6/17/2016 at 6:15 PM, ccap41 said:

Wow that sounds a little pricey to me.. This is still a compact car.

 

Focus Hatch: $19,015

Mazda 3: $18,545

Golf: $20,175

Forte5: $18,090

Elantra GT: $18,800

Impreza Hatch: $18,795

It's premature to assume these things until we see what it comes with standard.

 

"It should be noted that the hatchback isn't offered in the base L or LS trims like the sedan. The more apt comparison would the Cruze LT sedan which begins at $20,695. Comparing the prices of the LT models sees a difference of $1,495."[/size]

You're definitely right but that sucks that you're again forced into a package if you want a hatch. 

 

A lot of people like the added space and ability of a hatch and you have to pony up a few grand more for Chevy's as opposed to those others listed. Not everybody wants or can afford the creature comforts but need the space of a hatch.

I agree with that. It sucks not having a cheaper model but I get why they would want a higher margin model out first. Maybe they will tweak that next year.

I think the pricing is fine. I mean, in terms of driving refinement, this Cruze is easily the match or better of the Golf.

And again, I want the American car to cost more than imports - in every essense. It's the better car. Buy it, and make America great again, by seeing the USA in a Chevrolet.

We, as North Americans should not look to get a home team discount, not when they're kicking ass and taking names. No, we need to respect them the only way possible, by realizing that all this greatness, from GM, Ford, and even FCA US comes at a cost.

  On 6/19/2016 at 2:07 AM, Suaviloquent said:

I think the pricing is fine. I mean, in terms of driving refinement, this Cruze is easily the match or better of the Golf.

 

And again, I want the American car to cost more than imports - in every essense. It's the better car. Buy it, and make America great again, by seeing the USA in a Chevrolet.

 

We, as North Americans should not look to get a home team discount, not when they're kicking ass and taking names. No, we need to respect them the only way possible, by realizing that all this greatness, from GM, Ford, and even FCA US comes at a cost.

No offense but that is simply the worst thing they could possibly do is to price their cars (assuming they are comparably equipped, mind you) HIGHER than the imports. This isn't Cadillac we are talking about here. This is the ultra competitive compact market, where price is (whether you like it or not) king and you price competitively if you want to succeed in that market.

Well, it's not a base model, so... I think its is priced competitively. I think the base price is not low because it's priced high, but because of the omission of a model with less features. Which is admirable, and to me it is a sigh they do want to go further.

And it is a great car...easily worth $2000 over the Toyopets. It is rivals with the current engine right now are the Civic hatch, and Golf.

  On 6/19/2016 at 2:33 AM, Suaviloquent said:

Well, it's not a base model, so... I think its is priced competitively. I think the base price is not low because it's priced high, but because of the omission of a model with less features. Which is admirable, and to me it is a sigh they do want to go further.

And it is a great car...easily worth $2000 over the Toyopets. It is rivals with the current engine right now are the Civic hatch, and Golf.

Real prices on the Cruze that are out there now are quite a bit higher than the outgoing Cruze. The new Cruze is priced pretty tough. It will take a long time for the customer base to get used to it.

The new Cruze LT doesn't come with leather wrap wheel and I think there is a tech pkg upgrade that is an option. The hatch will probably get those things standard.

I would bet the hatch has extra kit over a base LT. I will guess too the automatic is standard and manual is probably a delete option.

  On 6/18/2016 at 6:01 PM, ccap41 said:

 

  On 6/18/2016 at 2:09 AM, surreal1272 said:

 

  On 6/17/2016 at 6:15 PM, ccap41 said:

Wow that sounds a little pricey to me.. This is still a compact car.

 

Focus Hatch: $19,015

Mazda 3: $18,545

Golf: $20,175

Forte5: $18,090

Elantra GT: $18,800

Impreza Hatch: $18,795

It's premature to assume these things until we see what it comes with standard.

 

"It should be noted that the hatchback isn't offered in the base L or LS trims like the sedan. The more apt comparison would the Cruze LT sedan which begins at $20,695. Comparing the prices of the LT models sees a difference of $1,495."

 

You're definitely right but that sucks that you're again forced into a package if you want a hatch. 

 

A lot of people like the added space and ability of a hatch and you have to pony up a few grand more for Chevy's as opposed to those others listed. Not everybody wants or can afford the creature comforts but need the space of a hatch.

 

Agreed....in my case, I just don't need all the toys. Heck, I miss the fact that the Focus hatch used to come with steelies in base trim (Roads here in MI are really, really, bad) I had a cavalier wagon and I was quite fine with that. The hatch should be a choice, not a luxury option. Heck, for a few grand more, I might as well get a Nox then....

Get the feeling GM will get burned here.....

Let me inject some real world here. 

The Hatch is going to be a low volume model and it is going to be more expensive to build. 

Because it is lower volume and to help cover the added cost they make it only available on the upper level trims. This is the same tact that they took with the Diesels as the cars were not cheap to build and will be low volume. 

By doing this they can keep the cost to with in $200 of the LT sedan. Also doing production in Mexico will also try to keep expenses down. 

The reality is while many on the web say build it, build it not that many are expected to buy. To make money and at least offer a package that looks attractive and still hold some profit the higher package is only offered at least for now. 

I suspect if the demand is higher they may offer more versions but right now they really don't expect a ton of sales. Lets face it if not for the sales outside the states there would be no hatch here as development cost are just not in line. 

The real issue here is this is not a big segment, GM is not importing them in from overseas where they are made at a lower cost and it is just a tough segment to make money in with the way and the numbers GM expects. 

Note today automakers are picking and choosing models more on total profit potential and not just making some money. They are now looking at models to see what is the most profitable and even if it is making a small profit the model can be dropped and replaced with a more profitable model. We just saw this with the Verano. Buick will get a new model we have yet to see but it will be expected to sell in higher numbers and make more money. 

Just making a simple profit is just not enough anymore. 

The truth is if everyone who said to build it buys one we would have a run away hit but you know they won't. 

The end game here is GM is not building cars anymore just to survive but now they can pick and choose to make the most profit with where they are at. Also they are out to build cars people will buy and not just want to buy. 

As for the prices listed. lets face it most will have $2K of options added in most cased and put them right where the Chevy is anyway., Few people buy stripped models anymore and $19K does not buy you much in the compact class anymore. 

If anything GM can market the hatch as a better value as most of what people want will already be in the car. 

that's bunk to say it costs more to make the hatch.

i'd love for you to prove to us why that statement has any water to it whatsoever.  Because its absolute bunk.  I bet you would say that about VW and the Golf too

Chevy's big problem with the Cruze is going to be that they punted big time on the styling.  They dumbed it down to play to the Corolla / old Civic crowd.  There's no sizzle in the steak anymore.  In the meantime, Honda does the opposite and turns the Civic into a sexy machine.

Some of the cars in the compact class are pushing 20-30% in the US for hatch sales.  The millennials love hatches.  I see a ton around, Mazda 3's , Foci, Elantras, Even if the Cruze sells 10-15% as hatches they will be in the thick.

I've read many recent articles stating the hatchback bodystyle is trending upward in sales over the next few years.  I believe it.

  On 6/20/2016 at 9:30 AM, ocnblu said:

I've read many recent articles stating the hatchback bodystyle is trending upward in sales over the next few years.  I believe it.

Completely understandable. They honestly just make more sense with the added space for a car that will get the same mpg and basically cost the same...but you get more room. I love the hatch design. 

I don't agree with only offering a premium trim level, unless it is just a first year thing like Surreal suggested, because they will make it unattainable for some in a class of vehicle that was once marketed around the cheap and affordable. 

Yes, as a Sir General Moron, I want/decree that American/domestic cars to be priced higher than the competition, because it is evident of their superiority everywhere, in mostly every segment - and yes also those levels of pricing need to be enforced world-wide. Chevy is now way better than Toyopet. And even with Honda. Even VW in like for like segments of the market.

Or they could just make a superior product and let the product sell itself.. it will be a long road but with a price advantage and a superior product they would own the market, hands down. 

If the product truly is the best then it is only a matter of time before the own the market, if it isn't then it won't. 

  On 6/20/2016 at 8:24 PM, Suaviloquent said:

Yes, as a Sir General Moron, I want/decree that American/domestic cars to be priced higher than the competition, because it is evident of their superiority everywhere, in mostly every segment - and yes also those levels of pricing need to be enforced world-wide. Chevy is now way better than Toyopet. And even with Honda. Even VW in like for like segments of the market.

"better"

In what way(s)? That's a subjective thing to say and that alone means they cannot price their cars above the competition. There are just too many variables in a decision making process for spending tens of thousands of dollars on a car that one brand and car will never be "better" across the entire board. It just isn't possible. Okay, it's possible if the competition just decided to give up but that is not realistic. 

Well, I think the Cruze is better than the Toyota CorollaToaster...more refined, nicer interior, better engine, a real transmission, better fuel economy, and more high tech made conventional like Android Auto/Carplay.

I think the Silverado is better than the Tundrarizer - the 6.2 crushes the iForce V8, and the Silverado is more refined, Toyota may have a better off-road truck variants, but that's too nichey, and most trucks in their regular 4x4 forms are pretty capable with software assistance like hill descent control. 

I think the Malibu is totally superior to the Toyota Crapry. Better interior, a real effort of styling (except both car's front ends make me retch), I would say the base engine of the Malibu is far better than the 2.5 in the Crapry, and makes up for the slight difference of the LTG and the 2GR-FE. Plus the Malibu Hybrid...

I think the Impala and Avalon are pretty much even - some things of the Impala are better, the Avalon has a nicer interior and a smoother engine, but lacks Android Auto, Carplay, and also has a smaller trunk. I think the Avalon hybrid being a bonus is less a thing because the Malibu is already now a sizable family car like the Fusion, so making a large sedan is kind of less impactful.

And in terms of subcompacts, $h! even a Spark is superior to the Yaris...YOU know that too.

And then the only small car that Toyota makes is good is a disguised Mazda. But still, why make it themselves, when they can just get a Mazda?

And then large suvs - Tahoe wipes the floor of the Sequioa....

YES, Toyopet is clearly outclassed, and Hyundai is the Toyopet that you MUST buy if you simply cannot live without a Toyotpet.

And in terms of luxo...maybe Lexus still has it slightly on build quality and materials - but a combination of luxo/performance, Cadillac reigns SUPREME.

By mocking the Toyota products you're basically just saying you're biased against them and your argument is useless because it is too opinion based. "better" X Y and Z but nothing about that is factual. 

I think the only one that is a hands-down winner is the Silverado over the Tundra and that's mostly because of the multitude of variations that the Silverado is available in. 

You also conveniently skilled over one of their most dominant vehicles in its own market, the Pruis. 

I'm honestly not saying one is better than the other and at the same time, that is my point. To you, the entire GM lineup crushes the Toyota lineup. To some body else it could be completely flipped. And, with the Cruze being brand new, it should be ahead in most measurable categories. To us, we would rather a conventional auto transmission, to non-enthusiasts, they would likely just prefer the seamless CVT junk that we can't stand. 

Just playing a little Devil's advocate here, brother. 

  On 6/20/2016 at 2:05 AM, regfootball said:

that's bunk to say it costs more to make the hatch.

 

i'd love for you to prove to us why that statement has any water to it whatsoever.  Because its absolute bunk.  I bet you would say that about VW and the Golf too

 

Chevy's big problem with the Cruze is going to be that they punted big time on the styling.  They dumbed it down to play to the Corolla / old Civic crowd.  There's no sizzle in the steak anymore.  In the meantime, Honda does the opposite and turns the Civic into a sexy machine.

 

Some of the cars in the compact class are pushing 20-30% in the US for hatch sales.  The millennials love hatches.  I see a ton around, Mazda 3's , Foci, Elantras, Even if the Cruze sells 10-15% as hatches they will be in the thick.

Not my statement but someone from GM.

But it is plausible just due to the fact that they will makeup only 1/4 of sales at best and the less you make of some the higher cost per unit. 

Add to that you have to have additional cost of crash testing over fewer models and the additional glass and sheet metal used along with more upgraded trim panels that need to be finished vs just trunk matting. 

Also factor in that they sell less Cruze globally than most other models since they are no longer in Europe. That really hurts as Europe is the largest hatch market there is. 

As for Millennials they are far from the largest segment of buyers and not essentially a profit center for an automaker. 

This is one of those deals where you have to just use some common sense. If there were large profits here GM would be into it whole hog but the fact is this is not a major profit center and while others may make some money GM can make much more with other models like the Nox etc and sell them well north of the 200K unit mark per year vs. 15K-25K. 

GM I think is just testing the waters and if people respond you will see more if not then don't expect a lot of hatches. 

As for trends the smaller cars will have hatches as that is the only way you can carry anything. But from Compact up it is a sedan market as a whole. You need to use your trends in context as you have to factor the hatches are made up more by sub compact and micro cars as a whole. 

Companies like Ford, Mazda and VW sell their hatches globally in all areas not like Chevy that only covers part of he globe. 

People respond here expect higher volumes and cheaper models. Till then it is a LT and hell $22k is not much for a car anymore when the average price is now over $35K. As for the low ball cars you don't get much there anymore, 

  On 6/20/2016 at 8:24 PM, Suaviloquent said:

Yes, as a Sir General Moron, I want/decree that American/domestic cars to be priced higher than the competition, because it is evident of their superiority everywhere, in mostly every segment - and yes also those levels of pricing need to be enforced world-wide. Chevy is now way better than Toyopet. And even with Honda. Even VW in like for like segments of the market.

What?

If that is the problem, than build a bunch and send some overseas.......

  On 6/20/2016 at 10:16 PM, hyperv6 said:

 

  On 6/20/2016 at 2:05 AM, regfootball said:

that's bunk to say it costs more to make the hatch.

 

i'd love for you to prove to us why that statement has any water to it whatsoever.  Because its absolute bunk.  I bet you would say that about VW and the Golf too

 

Chevy's big problem with the Cruze is going to be that they punted big time on the styling.  They dumbed it down to play to the Corolla / old Civic crowd.  There's no sizzle in the steak anymore.  In the meantime, Honda does the opposite and turns the Civic into a sexy machine.

 

Some of the cars in the compact class are pushing 20-30% in the US for hatch sales.  The millennials love hatches.  I see a ton around, Mazda 3's , Foci, Elantras, Even if the Cruze sells 10-15% as hatches they will be in the thick.

 

Not my statement but someone from GM.

 

But it is plausible just due to the fact that they will makeup only 1/4 of sales at best and the less you make of some the higher cost per unit. 

Add to that you have to have additional cost of crash testing over fewer models and the additional glass and sheet metal used along with more upgraded trim panels that need to be finished vs just trunk matting. 

Also factor in that they sell less Cruze globally than most other models since they are no longer in Europe. That really hurts as Europe is the largest hatch market there is. 

 

As for Millennials they are far from the largest segment of buyers and not essentially a profit center for an automaker. 

This is one of those deals where you have to just use some common sense. If there were large profits here GM would be into it whole hog but the fact is this is not a major profit center and while others may make some money GM can make much more with other models like the Nox etc and sell them well north of the 200K unit mark per year vs. 15K-25K. 

 

GM I think is just testing the waters and if people respond you will see more if not then don't expect a lot of hatches. 

As for trends the smaller cars will have hatches as that is the only way you can carry anything. But from Compact up it is a sedan market as a whole. You need to use your trends in context as you have to factor the hatches are made up more by sub compact and micro cars as a whole. 

 

Companies like Ford, Mazda and VW sell their hatches globally in all areas not like Chevy that only covers part of he globe. 

 

People respond here expect higher volumes and cheaper models. Till then it is a LT and hell $22k is not much for a car anymore when the average price is now over $35K. As for the low ball cars you don't get much there anymore, 

 

"There is definitely some evidence that supports manufacturers' lofty expectations for the hatchback segment," said Jeremy Acevedo, senior analyst, strategic analytics, at Edmunds.com. "The hatchback take-rate for models that also had a sedan offering was 34.4 percent in the first quarter of 2016, the highest it has been since 2012."

http://www.edmunds.com/car-news/hatchback-segment-heats-up-with-new-2017-honda-civic-chevrolet-cruze-hatches.html

a big part of the appeal is whether or not the hatch is ugly or not.  The Focus hatch looks good.  Cruze hatch fortunately looks good and looks better than the tepid sedan.  

The body style has already been created for other markets so the 'rarity' factor doesn't really wash.  They just have to sell enough volume to cover their cert cost....its not like the powertrains or much else is different.  Cruze may sell 200k-250k units and if even 10% of that is hatch (I will predict 15% because the sedan looks so drab) that's 20-25k units alone.

Meanwhile, we justify Buick selling the new Insignia as a wagon here, NFW they sell 5,000 Regal wagons here, even if they throw cladding and AWD On them.  Why do we go through to the exception for that when clearly hatchbacks of compacts have much more appeal than that.  (I'd prefer an Insignia hatch myself)  

GM will say or do anything from a PR standpoint to justify whatever good or bad marketing decision they make.  Remember, Mark Ruess himself spoke about why they are bringing out the Cruze hatch now and why they may have missed the boat with it before.  GM as a company just says whatever $h! they need to to justify whatever hits the showroom.  They are wrong half the time.

Compact hatches have evolved into being the lesser priced CUV and are a big choice for lots of younger buyers too.  Any manufacturer that ignores the younger demographic that just now is finally thinking about buying cars instead of relying on Uber rides would be quite fleaking wise to do anything apart from severing their own testicles to save a market share in those demographics.  Hyundai and Kia and China inc will take whatever markets our picky domestic manufacturers give away. 

It is not about PR and you know better than that. It is purely about profits. GM is investing in the CUV markets as the hatch market in the states is small and even if it grow some will remain a small part of the segment. Same with wagons. 

Case in point. GM will never sell as many hatches combined as they do a Nox. Add in the many other CUV models and it will still be staggering. Even the new Buick CUV from China even limited in import will sell more than the hatch. 

Companies can cater to niche markets if they go total global like Honda, VW and Ford but Chevy is not there. 

As for wagons if you make it like a truck or SUV people buy it but most car based wagons are tepid at best. Just look at the HHR it was a Cobalt wagon but sold nearly 200,000 K units. The Cavalier in it's entire run may not have exceed that in all years hence they dropped it. 

GM will see if people bite and how much they make if they make good profits we will see more if they make little profit the car will be replaced with a different model. 

Just making money is not enough anymore it is the higher value profits companies are after now. 

The import builders are better placed as the sales here are just add on sales unlike. Chevy that would mostly have to rely on sales here, China and not anything from Europe. 

You can say GM is wrong all the time but if you note their profits and how well finacially they are doing I suspect they may have gotten something right. You may not like it but they are doing something right. 

Note I do not hate hatches but I do understand what GM is doing and while it is not fun and thrilling it is a path to future financial stability. Lets face it the 3 strongest companies around finacially have been the dullest. VW, Toyota and Honda. 

Note too the new Civic is selling cheaper and well because it had been reported that Honda has cut prices to try to flood the market with their cars for market share. At this time the report said they are not making and may be losing money on the cars to gain the share. As of now market watchers are pondering how long Honda will go on with this before they raise prices.  The story said the reason you see so many Civics has been the cheaper prices. 

I don't aways like or agree with my market observations of the companies but I am just telling it like it is. Like it or not you may get some more hatches but they will not dominate the market or take over sedan sales. Wagons will still remain a cult car. 

  On 6/21/2016 at 5:01 AM, daves87rs said:

If that is the problem, than build a bunch and send some overseas.......

Cheaper to build them in China and just leave them there. 

The 2017 Order Guide states the LT hatch is available with manual transmission, which excites me.  I do like the Atmosphere interior color on the new Chevys.  I am wondering about the new exterior colors for 2017.  "Pepperdust" is one of the choices... when I think of pepper dust, I think of black pepper ground so fine, it looks tan-ish.  Not sure what to expect.  I do know I am already sick of seeing the hatch in ORANGE BURST METALLIC.  I really wish something like Dragon Green (on the Sonics in 2016, gone in 2017) were available on the '17 Cruze... although the Arctic Blue sounds spiffy... plus a straight Black is a choice for the hatch only.

  On 6/22/2016 at 1:05 AM, ocnblu said:

The 2017 Order Guide states the LT hatch is available with manual transmission, which excites me.  I do like the Atmosphere interior color on the new Chevys.  I am wondering about the new exterior colors for 2017.  "Pepperdust" is one of the choices... when I think of pepper dust, I think of black pepper ground so fine, it looks tan-ish.  Not sure what to expect.  I do know I am already sick of seeing the hatch in ORANGE BURST METALLIC.  I really wish something like Dragon Green (on the Sonics in 2016, gone in 2017) were available on the '17 Cruze... although the Arctic Blue sounds spiffy... plus a straight Black is a choice for the hatch only.

Wish they would do the following colors:

Bing Cherry -  A dark heavy metallic purplish color covering a range from black to purple.

Candy Apple Red - Anyone who knows the 60's should understand this lovely color

Candy Apple Green - Same as the red note.

Chromatic Paint jobs would be cool like the following:

Heat Sensitive paint jobs would also be really cool:

I was suprised to see this but for fun Thermal paint urinals seem to be the rage in the asian rim.

  On 6/22/2016 at 2:35 PM, dfelt said:

  On 6/22/2016 at 1:05 AM, ocnblu said:

The 2017 Order Guide states the LT hatch is available with manual transmission, which excites me.  I do like the Atmosphere interior color on the new Chevys.  I am wondering about the new exterior colors for 2017.  "Pepperdust" is one of the choices... when I think of pepper dust, I think of black pepper ground so fine, it looks tan-ish.  Not sure what to expect.  I do know I am already sick of seeing the hatch in ORANGE BURST METALLIC.  I really wish something like Dragon Green (on the Sonics in 2016, gone in 2017) were available on the '17 Cruze... although the Arctic Blue sounds spiffy... plus a straight Black is a choice for the hatch only.

Wish they would do the following colors:

 

Bing Cherry -  A dark heavy metallic purplish color covering a range from black to purple.

Candy Apple Red - Anyone who knows the 60's should understand this lovely color

Candy Apple Green - Same as the red note.

 

Chromatic Paint jobs would be cool like the following:

 

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Chromatic-blue-SLS-EV.jpg

Chrome_Mirror_Gold_Film_Car_Color_Change_Film.jpg

GoldChromeEscalade.jpg

MultiChromePaintJob.jpg

 

Heat Sensitive paint jobs would also be really cool:

 

Nissan-Skyline-with-Heat-Sensitive-Paint-1.jpg

HeatPaintHiddenHulk.jpg

lamborghini-gallardo-features-hidden-heat-sensitive-captain-america-paint-job-video-98076_1.png

 

I was suprised to see this but for fun Thermal paint urinals seem to be the rage in the asian rim.

 

Thermo-Urinal.jpg

Oh ya that would be cheap!

  On 6/23/2016 at 7:56 PM, hyperv6 said:

 

  On 6/22/2016 at 2:35 PM, dfelt said:

 

  On 6/22/2016 at 1:05 AM, ocnblu said:

The 2017 Order Guide states the LT hatch is available with manual transmission, which excites me.  I do like the Atmosphere interior color on the new Chevys.  I am wondering about the new exterior colors for 2017.  "Pepperdust" is one of the choices... when I think of pepper dust, I think of black pepper ground so fine, it looks tan-ish.  Not sure what to expect.  I do know I am already sick of seeing the hatch in ORANGE BURST METALLIC.  I really wish something like Dragon Green (on the Sonics in 2016, gone in 2017) were available on the '17 Cruze... although the Arctic Blue sounds spiffy... plus a straight Black is a choice for the hatch only.

Wish they would do the following colors:

 

Bing Cherry -  A dark heavy metallic purplish color covering a range from black to purple.

Candy Apple Red - Anyone who knows the 60's should understand this lovely color

Candy Apple Green - Same as the red note.

 

Chromatic Paint jobs would be cool like the following:

 

Blue-chromed-car.jpg

Chromatic-blue-SLS-EV.jpg

Chrome_Mirror_Gold_Film_Car_Color_Change_Film.jpg

GoldChromeEscalade.jpg

MultiChromePaintJob.jpg

 

Heat Sensitive paint jobs would also be really cool:

 

Nissan-Skyline-with-Heat-Sensitive-Paint-1.jpg

HeatPaintHiddenHulk.jpg

lamborghini-gallardo-features-hidden-heat-sensitive-captain-america-paint-job-video-98076_1.png

 

I was suprised to see this but for fun Thermal paint urinals seem to be the rage in the asian rim.

 

Thermo-Urinal.jpg

 

Oh ya that would be cheap!

 

It is amazing to see how many people are willing ot pay an extra $1K for those few special paint jobs GM has on the choice list. I see no reason offering some of these more fun paint jobs would not be a hit with consumers.

  Would Love Cadillac to do a paint job like this!

^ do paint jobs like that last though? I can't see a paint job like that lasting too many harsh northern winters which GM would be warrantying against.. 

OEM quality, while some bash OEM tires and exhausts and such, has gone through A LOT of testing to be as durable as they are and are built to last. 

That is just the problem as these paints and wraps are not as durable or in many cases as easy to care for as most normal paints. Also touch up is nearly impossible with some too. 

Just look a the high end cars that have the flat finishes. They take special car and washing to the point it is a total pain. Warranty issues with a daily beater would be a major issue for MFG and customers both. 

Also you will not get the paint like shown for only an additional $1.000. Note most cars that do offer special paint like this are high end cars as the added cost is only a fraction of the sticker. To add this to a $20K Chevy would be a major issue on the sticker. 

We already have people complaining about the added charge for the tri tint colors that are now offered at a reasonable price for a few hundred dollars on many Chevys. I think my Bu Tri Tint was $400 or there about  if i recall.  

Good and high quality paints are not cheap and custom just jacks the price even more. I laugh at people who cringe when they hear about a $10K paint job on a restored car. You want it right it take time and labor as this is not Earl Schhibe. 

  On 6/19/2016 at 2:07 AM, Suaviloquent said:

I think the pricing is fine. I mean, in terms of driving refinement, this Cruze is easily the match or better of the Golf.

 

And again, I want the American car to cost more than imports - in every essense. It's the better car. Buy it, and make America great again, by seeing the USA in a Chevrolet.

 

We, as North Americans should not look to get a home team discount, not when they're kicking ass and taking names. No, we need to respect them the only way possible, by realizing that all this greatness, from GM, Ford, and even FCA US comes at a cost.

The new Cruze does not match the Golf overall, sorry. Maybe in comfort, and close in refinement, but not even that close in driving dynamics and performance.

This price is too high. More than the competition with no real advantage to hang it on, and dangerously close to some much more appealing options- Focus ST, Golf GTI, etc. Sorry, but I'm not paying 23K for a Cruze LT HB when I can get an ST or GTI for 2 grand more. And the way GM's lease, you'd be able to get the GTI cheaper. 

  On 7/22/2016 at 8:40 PM, Frisky Dingo said:

 

  On 6/19/2016 at 2:07 AM, Suaviloquent said:

I think the pricing is fine. I mean, in terms of driving refinement, this Cruze is easily the match or better of the Golf.

 

And again, I want the American car to cost more than imports - in every essense. It's the better car. Buy it, and make America great again, by seeing the USA in a Chevrolet.

 

We, as North Americans should not look to get a home team discount, not when they're kicking ass and taking names. No, we need to respect them the only way possible, by realizing that all this greatness, from GM, Ford, and even FCA US comes at a cost.

 

 

The new Cruze does not match the Golf overall, sorry. Maybe in comfort, and close in refinement, but not even that close in driving dynamics and performance.

 

So you have driven the new hatch?

Let them get it out and lets just see what they offer as I suspect a sport chassis is in the mix at some point. 

I agree the VW chassis is well sorted but their refinement has been off and on spotty over the last 5 years. 

  On 7/22/2016 at 11:38 PM, hyperv6 said:

 

  On 7/22/2016 at 8:40 PM, Frisky Dingo said:

 

  On 6/19/2016 at 2:07 AM, Suaviloquent said:

I think the pricing is fine. I mean, in terms of driving refinement, this Cruze is easily the match or better of the Golf.

 

And again, I want the American car to cost more than imports - in every essense. It's the better car. Buy it, and make America great again, by seeing the USA in a Chevrolet.

 

We, as North Americans should not look to get a home team discount, not when they're kicking ass and taking names. No, we need to respect them the only way possible, by realizing that all this greatness, from GM, Ford, and even FCA US comes at a cost.

 

 

The new Cruze does not match the Golf overall, sorry. Maybe in comfort, and close in refinement, but not even that close in driving dynamics and performance.

 

So you have driven the new hatch?

 

Let them get it out and lets just see what they offer as I suspect a sport chassis is in the mix at some point. 

I agree the VW chassis is well sorted but their refinement has been off and on spotty over the last 5 years. 

 

That may be, but it certainly isn't 'off' on the new Golf. All the automotive outlets are unanimous in saying it's interior and refinement levels feel multiple classes above the segment it is in.

GM has a LOT of fine tuning to do to make the Cruze hatch as enjoyable to drive as some of the other players in the segment. And even then, it'll lag behind some other players in the powertrain department.

  On 7/23/2016 at 3:06 PM, Frisky Dingo said:

 

  On 7/22/2016 at 11:38 PM, hyperv6 said:

 

  On 7/22/2016 at 8:40 PM, Frisky Dingo said:

 

  On 6/19/2016 at 2:07 AM, Suaviloquent said:

I think the pricing is fine. I mean, in terms of driving refinement, this Cruze is easily the match or better of the Golf.

 

And again, I want the American car to cost more than imports - in every essense. It's the better car. Buy it, and make America great again, by seeing the USA in a Chevrolet.

 

We, as North Americans should not look to get a home team discount, not when they're kicking ass and taking names. No, we need to respect them the only way possible, by realizing that all this greatness, from GM, Ford, and even FCA US comes at a cost.

 

 

The new Cruze does not match the Golf overall, sorry. Maybe in comfort, and close in refinement, but not even that close in driving dynamics and performance.

 

So you have driven the new hatch?

 

Let them get it out and lets just see what they offer as I suspect a sport chassis is in the mix at some point. 

I agree the VW chassis is well sorted but their refinement has been off and on spotty over the last 5 years. 

 

 

 

That may be, but it certainly isn't 'off' on the new Golf. All the automotive outlets are unanimous in saying it's interior and refinement levels feel multiple classes above the segment it is in.

 

GM has a LOT of fine tuning to do to make the Cruze hatch as enjoyable to drive as some of the other players in the segment. And even then, it'll lag behind some other players in the powertrain department.

 

Time will tell. They have not even intro's the car and have yet to offer more than one package. 

As for VW they make a nice car but they are far from dominate in America. 

I have an 08 Eco now with a factory tune that will walk all over a standard GTI. So I would not discount what could be offered if they feel it would sell. Right now only a few hatches sell and many by them because they like German cars not so much for many other reasons. 

let's see if VW stays in business first.

  On 7/23/2016 at 4:57 PM, regfootball said:

let's see if VW stays in business first.

They are not going anywhere. They will dump their motorcycle company and some other low volume divisions to raise money if needed. VW is a large company and they will survive the Diesel deal. 

  On 7/23/2016 at 3:43 PM, hyperv6 said:

  On 7/23/2016 at 3:06 PM, Frisky Dingo said:

  On 7/22/2016 at 11:38 PM, hyperv6 said:

  On 7/22/2016 at 8:40 PM, Frisky Dingo said:

  On 6/19/2016 at 2:07 AM, Suaviloquent said:

I think the pricing is fine. I mean, in terms of driving refinement, this Cruze is easily the match or better of the Golf.

 

And again, I want the American car to cost more than imports - in every essense. It's the better car. Buy it, and make America great again, by seeing the USA in a Chevrolet.

 

We, as North Americans should not look to get a home team discount, not when they're kicking ass and taking names. No, we need to respect them the only way possible, by realizing that all this greatness, from GM, Ford, and even FCA US comes at a cost.

 

 

The new Cruze does not match the Golf overall, sorry. Maybe in comfort, and close in refinement, but not even that close in driving dynamics and performance.

So you have driven the new hatch?

 

Let them get it out and lets just see what they offer as I suspect a sport chassis is in the mix at some point. 

I agree the VW chassis is well sorted but their refinement has been off and on spotty over the last 5 years.

 

 

That may be, but it certainly isn't 'off' on the new Golf. All the automotive outlets are unanimous in saying it's interior and refinement levels feel multiple classes above the segment it is in.

 

GM has a LOT of fine tuning to do to make the Cruze hatch as enjoyable to drive as some of the other players in the segment. And even then, it'll lag behind some other players in the powertrain department.

 

Time will tell. They have not even intro's the car and have yet to offer more than one package. 

 

As for VW they make a nice car but they are far from dominate in America. 

 

I have an 08 Eco now with a factory tune that will walk all over a standard GTI. So I would not discount what could be offered if they feel it would sell. Right now only a few hatches sell and many by them because they like German cars not so much for many other reasons.

  On 7/23/2016 at 3:43 PM, hyperv6 said:

  On 7/23/2016 at 3:06 PM, Frisky Dingo said:

  On 7/22/2016 at 11:38 PM, hyperv6 said:

  On 7/22/2016 at 8:40 PM, Frisky Dingo said:

  On 6/19/2016 at 2:07 AM, Suaviloquent said:

I think the pricing is fine. I mean, in terms of driving refinement, this Cruze is easily the match or better of the Golf.

 

And again, I want the American car to cost more than imports - in every essense. It's the better car. Buy it, and make America great again, by seeing the USA in a Chevrolet.

 

We, as North Americans should not look to get a home team discount, not when they're kicking ass and taking names. No, we need to respect them the only way possible, by realizing that all this greatness, from GM, Ford, and even FCA US comes at a cost.

 

 

The new Cruze does not match the Golf overall, sorry. Maybe in comfort, and close in refinement, but not even that close in driving dynamics and performance.

So you have driven the new hatch?

 

Let them get it out and lets just see what they offer as I suspect a sport chassis is in the mix at some point. 

I agree the VW chassis is well sorted but their refinement has been off and on spotty over the last 5 years.

 

 

That may be, but it certainly isn't 'off' on the new Golf. All the automotive outlets are unanimous in saying it's interior and refinement levels feel multiple classes above the segment it is in.

 

GM has a LOT of fine tuning to do to make the Cruze hatch as enjoyable to drive as some of the other players in the segment. And even then, it'll lag behind some other players in the powertrain department.

 

Time will tell. They have not even intro's the car and have yet to offer more than one package. 

 

As for VW they make a nice car but they are far from dominate in America. 

 

I have an 08 Eco now with a factory tune that will walk all over a standard GTI. So I would not discount what could be offered if they feel it would sell. Right now only a few hatches sell and many by them because they like German cars not so much for many other reasons.

I don't believe I said VW is dominant at anything. They are far from it in most arenas. But they built a kick ass hot t hatch. The best in the business. And by no small margin.

VW builds a hatch is a small market few others put much effort in as outside of Europe interest is luke warm. 

In other words VW is a big fish in a small pond.