The Non-V CT4 Revealed

5 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Mercedes does offer way more variety in body styles...Cadillac has no coupes or convertibles, no wagons. 

Cadillac had the ATS Coupe just last year before it was replaced by the CT4 and a coupe is on the way for either the CT4 or CT5. I hardly ever see a convertible Mercedes even here in Phoenix and you can still see the hardtop gaps to know it's a conv. so that's another one of their (too many models) they need to cancel as it doesn't sell and wagons don't sell well here at all although the second gen. CTS Wagon was pretty sweet in V Series form. 

I haven't heard anything about another coupe from Cadillac, would be nice, but I don't see it happening.

 I saw a fair number of MB convertibles in Scottsdale when I lived in Phoenix, though they were outnumbered by G-wagens and GLEs/GLSes...

I have to say I missed this forum where car guys from all over the country be it AZ, MO, NJ, OH, PA, WA and others can can voice our opinions on what we love...CARS. Couldn't have done this 20 or 25 years ago!

It is a fun group.  People from all over...there are a few of us in Arizona or previously there (I lived in central Phoenix from '08-17 and worked in Chandler, Tempe, Scottsdale)...

2 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

I haven't heard anything about another coupe from Cadillac, would be nice, but I don't see it happening.

 I saw a fair number of MB convertibles in Scottsdale when I lived in Phoenix, though they were outnumbered by G-wagens and GLEs/GLSes...

The ATS Coupe looked badass too. I think it comes down to marketing or lack there of and the perception of having a three point star or a crest that once had black merlettes on the grille. Speaking of that I can't wait for the Blackwing CT6-V to start rolling out next month, gonna be a beast.

I have a house in N Phx bordering N Scottsdale near Tatum Blvd. and you do see them of course, but not as many as you'd think, was my point.

Mercedes interiors have pretty well owned their respective segments for all of their current generations. I'm not saying they are stylistically everybody's preference but professional reviewers always praise their fit and finish along with superior materials.

Mercedes not only has a vehicle for every little niche in the market(for better or worse *cough* GLE Coupe *cough* *cough* GLC Coupe *cough*) but they have legit AMG versions of everything except the new A Class, that I can think of.

CLA45

C63(sedan, coupe. and convertible)

E63(sedan, coupe. and convertible)

CLS63,

S63(sedan, coupe. and convertible)

AMG GT

AMG GT 4-door coupe

GLA45

GLC63(SUV and coupe)

GLE63(SUV and coupe)

GLS63

G63

SL63

E63 Wagon

On top of those they have the Maybach S Classes.

Cadillac had the XTS V-Sport 

But seriously, Cadillac had V or V-Sport versions of all their cars... just not the SUVs because I mean really, who'd buy an XT5-V anyway?

2 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Cadillac had the XTS V-Sport 

But seriously, Cadillac had V or V-Sport versions of all their cars... just not the SUVs because I mean really, who'd buy an XT5-V anyway?

An Escalade V-series would probably sell, though. 

2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Mercedes interiors have pretty well owned their respective segments for all of their current generations. I'm not saying they are stylistically everybody's preference but professional reviewers always praise their fit and finish along with superior materials.

Mercedes not only has a vehicle for every little niche in the market(for better or worse *cough* GLE Coupe *cough* *cough* GLC Coupe *cough*) but they have legit AMG versions of everything except the new A Class, that I can think of.

CLA45

C63(sedan, coupe. and convertible)

E63(sedan, coupe. and convertible)

CLS63,

S63(sedan, coupe. and convertible)

AMG GT

AMG GT 4-door coupe

GLA45

GLC63(SUV and coupe)

GLE63(SUV and coupe)

GLS63

G63

SL63

E63 Wagon

On top of those they have the Maybach S Classes.

Oh I know the German marques build solid, good quality cars with a pretty good fit and finish, but they do compare well to Cadillac. My parents had a couple of different BMW 540i's back in the day that I helped them pick out and they are great cars, but they choose Cadillac now for their also solid build and excellent fit and finish with the CTS and Escalade and they're a long standing American company where the big money on a purchase stays here at home. 

1 minute ago, Robert Hall said:

An Escalade V-series would probably sell, though. 

Escalade V would be awesome and one of my buddies at Earnhardt Caddy tells me it's in the works with a 500+ hp TTV8.

12 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Cadillac had the XTS V-Sport 

But seriously, Cadillac had V or V-Sport versions of all their cars... just not the SUVs because I mean really, who'd buy an XT5-V anyway?

The same people buying GLA45's.. 

V-Sport is like me considering the AMG43's.. and M-Sports.. and S-Lines. They're nice vehicles with stout powertrains but they aren't true performance versions. 

1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

The same people buying GLA45's.. 

V-Sport is like me considering the AMG43's.. and M-Sports.. and S-Lines. They're nice vehicles with stout powertrains but they aren't true performance versions. 

And show me... how many GLA45s have actually been sold. I've never seen one outside an auto show and I travel quite a bit.  I've only ever seen a small handful of CLA45s.

Only the XTS had just a V-Sport.

ATS-V
ATS-V Coupe
CTS-V
CTS-V Coupe
CT6-V
 

4 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

The same people buying GLA45's.. 

V-Sport is like me considering the AMG43's.. and M-Sports.. and S-Lines. They're nice vehicles with stout powertrains but they aren't true performance versions. 

Yeah V-Sport was a fill-in for those who couldn't handle the real horsepower of an actual V-Series. Now V-Sport is V-Series and V-Series Blackwing is the high performance version.  

7 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

And show me... how many GLA45s have actually been sold. I've never seen one outside an auto show and I travel quite a bit.  I've only ever seen a small handful of CLA45s.

How is one supposed to find how many of each model they sell? 

Mercedes claimed 10% of all sales were AMGs so that's about the best we can go off of. That's roughly 24-2500/year. 

5 minutes ago, USA-1 Vortec 6.2 said:

Yeah V-Sport was a fill-in for those who couldn't handle the real horsepower of an actual V-Series. Now V-Sport is V-Series and V-Series Blackwing is the high performance version.  

Yeah, Cadillac is all over the place right now. They need to sort themselves out. 

1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

How is one supposed to find how many of each model they sell? 

Mercedes claimed 10% of all sales were AMGs so that's about the best we can go off of. That's roughly 24-2500/year. 

 

Ah! But they count the 43s as AMG also.

10 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

ATS-V
ATS-V Coupe
CTS-V
CTS-V Coupe
CT6-V

Cool... ~23% of what Mercedes offers. 

Just now, Drew Dowdell said:

Ah! But they count the 43s as AMG also.

That was written in 2017, fwiw. 

https://www.thedrive.com/sheetmetal/17048/amg-makes-up-10-percent-of-us-sales-for-mercedes-benz

3 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Cool... ~23% of what Mercedes offers. 

That was written in 2017, fwiw. 

https://www.thedrive.com/sheetmetal/17048/amg-makes-up-10-percent-of-us-sales-for-mercedes-benz

Quoted from that link:

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A lot of AMG’s growth is thanks to the new AMG 43 line.

Just now, Drew Dowdell said:

Quoted from that link:

 

Understandable why it would have had a ~50% growth that year then. 

Then we can say ~7.5% are real AMGs then. 

I mean, if I wanted to get petty, I could point out that GMC sells 25% - 30% of its lineup as a Denali, which is mostly a chrome and leather package that cost $5k. Yet Denali sales alone outsell all of Lincoln, or Jaguar Land Rover. 

Cadillac is not and will never be a full line brand that has to cover every niche.  GM has other brands to do that with. 

1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

How is one supposed to find how many of each model they sell? 

Mercedes claimed 10% of all sales were AMGs so that's about the best we can go off of. That's roughly 24-2500/year. 

Yeah, Cadillac is all over the place right now. They need to sort themselves out. 

It's because people bitched about the V Series being too aggressive or having too much hp (is there such a thing?) so they added the V Blackwing as the top V version to keep the V Series nomenclature. Blackwing is a perfect performance version name harking back to the black merlettes on the Cadillac crest, great idea really. 

You can't really say Mercedes isn't all over the place right now either man, far too many models and they know they need to cut several and are in the process of doing so.

I have literally never heard anybody say the CTS-V or ATS-V had too much power.. 

They changed the name because the company as a whole is all over the place. 

They're one thousand times more consistent than Cadillac has been over the last decade or two. 

17 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I mean, if I wanted to get petty, I could point out that GMC sells 25% - 30% of its lineup as a Denali, which is mostly a chrome and leather package that cost $5k. Yet Denali sales alone outsell all of Lincoln, or Jaguar Land Rover. 

Cadillac is not and will never be a full line brand that has to cover every niche.  GM has other brands to do that with. 

What does GMC have to do with this? I already conceded the consumer truck market is all GM(comparing to Mercedes). 

I'm talking about the broad spectrum of options that Mercedes offers from the top to the bottom of their lineup that fills every niche in the middle(again, for better or worse). 

1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

I have literally never heard anybody say the CTS-V or ATS-V had too much power.. 

They changed the name because the company as a whole is all over the place. 

They're one thousand times more consistent than Cadillac has been over the last decade or two. 

What does GMC have to do with this? I already conceded the consumer truck market is all GM(comparing to Mercedes). 

I'm talking about the broad spectrum of options that Mercedes offers from the top to the bottom of their lineup that fills every niche in the middle(again, for better or worse). 

My point is that GM uses its other brands to fill niches (when needed, thankfully no crossover coupes yet). That's why Buick has a wagon and a hatchback. That's why GMC has a luxury line.  The GMC Yukon Denali XL and the GLS are only $1000 apart on base price, Escalade stars $5k higher

The GLB will likely overlap quite a bit with the Terrain Denali. 

... that's why GMC is relevant.

And yet none of those offer the options Mercedes does per vehicle. Again, for better or worse because they should and will trim the lineup because it is pretty absurdly large right now with some very slow selling vehicles. 

3 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

No, not into reality shows either.  I like crime drama... Sherlock Holmes, Poirot, Law and Order and the like. 

Those shows rock along with CSI, NCIS, Criminal Minds, etc.

3 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

Mercedes does offer way more variety in body styles...Mercedes has  coupes, hardtop coupes, convertibles, 2 seaters, sports cars, wagons, etc.    Cadillac has only sedans, a full size SUV, and 3 CUVs.

That doesn't mean they don't compare or compete with Cadillac, that was the whole point of the Mercedes/Cadillac discussion with ccap41. Like Drew stated GM has the whole portfolio that Cadillac doesn't need, so one particular brand like Mercedes will look overloaded with more models. MB does have cheaper models like GM as well.

7 hours ago, ccap41 said:

I have literally never heard anybody say the CTS-V or ATS-V had too much power.. 

They changed the name because the company as a whole is all over the place. 

They're one thousand times more consistent than Cadillac has been over the last decade or two. 

What does GMC have to do with this? I already conceded the consumer truck market is all GM(comparing to Mercedes). 

I'm talking about the broad spectrum of options that Mercedes offers from the top to the bottom of their lineup that fills every niche in the middle(again, for better or worse). 

640 hp is too much for some it's pretty rowdy, but I like rowdy. It will still be CT4-V, CT5-V CT6-V Blackwing for cars with the Blackwing V8. I love this commercial has a deep heritage and patriotic vibe to it. 

Coworker had a CTS V-Sport with the 3.6L TT 420hp 430 lb.ft. MagnaRide and eLSD out back it was a quick car that sounded good for a V6, exhaust made it sound closer to a V8 than I've heard in a while.

15 hours ago, USA-1 Vortec 6.2 said:

640 hp is too much for some it's pretty rowdy, but I like rowdy. It will still be CT4-V, CT5-V CT6-V Blackwing for cars with the Blackwing V8. I love this commercial has a deep heritage and patriotic vibe to it. 

 

Very cool commercial, had not seen it before.

My question is I would love to know the weight of the Turbo Blackwing V8 to the LT5 Supercharged V8 GM has been building.

I honestly See NO Value in the less performance DOHC engines. I suspect they are far heavier and much less efficient, but the stupid marketing people have pushed this High revving crap from Asia and Germany as superior over the outstanding HP / torque push-rods have developed for years.

I am excited to see this motor and see if it is as smooth and advanced as they are marketing it. 

Would love to see the two engines side by side comparison of engine details like you can find here: http://www.gomog.com/allmorgan/engineweights.html

@balthazar You should my friend enjoy the web site above on all the fine details about engines of yor.

6 hours ago, dfelt said:

Very cool commercial, had not seen it before.

My question is I would love to know the weight of the Turbo Blackwing V8 to the LT5 Supercharged V8 GM has been building.

I honestly See NO Value in the less performance DOHC engines. I suspect they are far heavier and much less efficient, but the stupid marketing people have pushed this High revving crap from Asia and Germany as superior over the outstanding HP / torque push-rods have developed for years.

I am excited to see this motor and see if it is as smooth and advanced as they are marketing it. 

Would love to see the two engines side by side comparison of engine details like you can find here: http://www.gomog.com/allmorgan/engineweights.html

@balthazar You should my friend enjoy the web site above on all the fine details about engines of yor.

One problem with pushrod vs. DOHC: perception is reality.  If the perception of SOHC and DOHC were not what they were 30-40 years ago versus that of pushrods, few buyers would have issues with pushrod engines today.

2 hours ago, riviera74 said:

One problem with pushrod vs. DOHC: perception is reality.  If the perception of SOHC and DOHC were not what they were 30-40 years ago versus that of pushrods, few buyers would have issues with pushrod engines today.

OK,  30 to 40 years ago the SOHC and DOHC were screaming Sewing machine engines with no go and sucked other than just a somewhat reliable nature in generic crappy compact auto's.

They got a perception of reliable as they pushed service intervals out to 100,000 miles versus US OEMs stuck with stupid 30,000 mile intervals into the late 90's and sadly most auto owners are lazy with maintenance as such, US auto's would stop running when you failed to do the 30K tuneups and 3K oil changes. Plus most asian autos were manual everything where US was pushing electric everything. US auto's could survive a long life if people only followed the maintenance manual. 

Sadly I doubt many on this forum have even read their own current owners manual. Being OCD, I have read everyone of my auto's I own and my 1994 GMC Suburban, the oldest car I own and bought new still out performs most current asian SUV/trucks.

Take my GMC Suburban SLE over anything Asian or german that is sold today.

On 9/12/2019 at 11:45 AM, Drew Dowdell said:

When Cadillac introduced the CT4 back on May 30th, they only introduced the V-series version of the car. Today Cadillac unveiled the standard versions of the car in Sport, Luxury, and Premium Luxury trims.  Each one styled slightly differently, the Luxury and Premium Luxury models come with brighter exterior accents and metallic grilles.  The Sport version is has a more aggressive mesh grille, sportier fascias, rear spoiler, darkened accents and model specific 18-inch wheels. 

CT4 Luxury:
Leather Steering wheel
8-inch Touch or Dial operated infotainment system
Android Auto and Apple CarPlay
Dual Zone Climate Control
Active Noise Cancelation

CT4 Premium Luxury:
Leather seating
LED Ambient Lighting
Alluminum trim
RainSense
Forward Collision Alert
Front Pedestrian Braking
Automatic Emergency Braking
Rear Park Assist
Safety Alert Seat

CT4 Sport:
All of Premium Luxury
Sport Seats
Unique Trim
Alloy Pedals
Brembo front brakes

CT4-V:
Limited Slip Rear Differential
Magnetic Ride Control (RWD Only) or ZF MVS Passive Dampers (AWD)
Available SuperCruise (later in 2020)

 Power wise, the CT4 has a choice of 3 power configurations.  The 2.0-liter turbo has 237 horsepower and 258 lb-ft of torque and is connected to an 8-speed automatic transmission.  The 2.7-liter turbo in the Premium Luxury produces 309 horsepower and 348 lb.-ft of torque or in the V gets 325 horsepower and 380 lb.-ft of torque.  Both 2.7 liters route power through a 10-speed automatic.  Both the 2.0 and 2.7 have a three-step sliding camshaft design, active fuel management, and automatic start-stop.

The Cadillac CT4 will be available for ordering later this year with pricing announced closer to production.

 

 

 

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Nice! Super Cruise is awesome, tried it driving a CT6 Platinum I had for Cadillac's 24 hr. test drive. It's pretty accurate and a camera on top of the steering column watches your eyes too "see" if you're paying attention. With dark sunglasses on I tested it by looking at my passenger without moving my head and within 5 or 6 seconds it started beeping and flashing lights in the steering wheel and in the head-up display to alert me, so it saw the whites of my eyes through the sunglasses that's pretty badass really. Kinda like a backseat driver though haha! It stays in the lane really well and isn't jerky or slow to react or too fast to react if someone changes lanes in front of you and that was First Gen. SuperCruise early last year. Second Gen. SC for 2020 is suppose to be much more intelligent too. Pretty soon we'll be having conversations with our cars as we drive, something good to vent our frustrations to that doesn't get overemotional ?

On ‎9‎/‎17‎/‎2019 at 5:25 PM, dfelt said:

CT4 versus A-Class Dash versus C-Class Dash

I will honestly say the C-Class looks dated to the Cadillac or A-Class and the A-Class leans more towards Tech than Luxury which is what I get out of the CT4. Different strokes for different folks. Older will like the CT4 over the A-Class younger will probably go with the A-Class. The A-Class and C-Class are far more sterile in my opinion than the CT4.

A-Class Interior - Very Sterile and Blah to me.

C-Class interior - All black leaves one with a very sterile look and those cheap plastic circle vents on both do not look good to me.

The A-Class looks terrible in any trim.  The C-Class can look good when it has that "luxury yacht" wood trim, but that's about it.  The Cadillac isn't bad, but it's not special either. It looks kinda techy, like a Lexus, but without going overboard enough to look weird.

On ‎9‎/‎22‎/‎2019 at 2:28 AM, USA-1 Vortec 6.2 said:

Nice! Super Cruise is awesome, tried it driving a CT6 Platinum I had for Cadillac's 24 hr. test drive. It's pretty accurate and a camera on top of the steering column watches your eyes too "see" if you're paying attention. With dark sunglasses on I tested it by looking at my passenger without moving my head and within 5 or 6 seconds it started beeping and flashing lights in the steering wheel and in the head-up display to alert me, so it saw the whites of my eyes through the sunglasses that's pretty badass really. Kinda like a backseat driver though haha! It stays in the lane really well and isn't jerky or slow to react or too fast to react if someone changes lanes in front of you and that was First Gen. SuperCruise early last year. Second Gen. SC for 2020 is suppose to be much more intelligent too. Pretty soon we'll be having conversations with our cars as we drive, something good to vent our frustrations to that doesn't get overemotional ?

SuperCruise, or something like it, will be standard equipment on many cars by the end of the next decade.

On 9/20/2019 at 9:41 AM, ccap41 said:

Nothing at GM can touch anything at Mercedes.They may have competed decades ago but Mercedes lineup whoops Cadillac, top to bottom. The only thing they aren't into is consumer pickup trucks and their attempt to re-badge a Nissan was $h!. They were smart to get out of that atrocity before too long. 

Cute use of the word "jabroni". I see you continue to be unoriginal. 

Oh, its hurts (sarcasm wholly intended).

Calls someone "unoriginal" yet uses the EXACT same word made popular by a wrestler almost twenty years ago. 

Next time you want to call me out, follow your own advice and speak when spoken to bitch.

*continues to copy ccap41* 

On 9/20/2019 at 12:27 PM, ccap41 said:

Mercedes interiors have pretty well owned their respective segments for all of their current generations. I'm not saying they are stylistically everybody's preference but professional reviewers always praise their fit and finish along with superior materials.

Mercedes not only has a vehicle for every little niche in the market(for better or worse *cough* GLE Coupe *cough* *cough* GLC Coupe *cough*) but they have legit AMG versions of everything except the new A Class, that I can think of.

CLA45

C63(sedan, coupe. and convertible)

E63(sedan, coupe. and convertible)

CLS63,

S63(sedan, coupe. and convertible)

AMG GT

AMG GT 4-door coupe

GLA45

GLC63(SUV and coupe)

GLE63(SUV and coupe)

GLS63

G63

SL63

E63 Wagon

On top of those they have the Maybach S Classes.

Good grief. We get it. SMK hijacked your account or you've been huffing Daimler exhaust fumes again.

1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

*continues to copy ccap41* 

*Continues to act like a thirteen year old boy quoting his favorite "wrastlers".

You haven't had an original thought since you first farted. Everything else is purely derivative.

On 9/20/2019 at 10:49 AM, Drew Dowdell said:

Yeah, I subscribe to Britbox and I'm set for a while on shows to catch up on.  I'm only partway through Midsomer because each episode is so long. 

I really enjoyed Vera and I"m just about to finish Elementary. 

Just finished rewatching Dexter for probably the nineteenth time (except for season eight which was garbage).

On 9/20/2019 at 9:48 AM, Drew Dowdell said:

wtf is jabroni

It's a silly word from two decades ago used by silly little boys when they think they're being clever.

3 hours ago, Potluck said:

The A-Class looks terrible in any trim.  The C-Class can look good when it has that "luxury yacht" wood trim, but that's about it.  The Cadillac isn't bad, but it's not special either. It looks kinda techy, like a Lexus, but without going overboard enough to look weird.

SuperCruise, or something like it, will be standard equipment on many cars by the end of the next decade.

Cadillac has always been a luxury marque to pioneer new technology ie delay wipers, cruise control, more recently Magnaride, TPMS ect. It's where the saying "It rides like a Cadillac" or "It's like a Cadillac" came from.

The CT4 interior is a much cleaner minimalist look and high tech rich for sure, just the small silver trim pieces look much nicer. All the large silver pieces in the A and C Class Merc looks cheap, Nissan has always liked to include the large silver trim pieces as well, looks even cheaper in those of course, the S Class and CT6 do it right with real brushed aluminum and carbon fiber, but you pay big for it.

3 hours ago, Potluck said:

The A-Class looks terrible in any trim.  The C-Class can look good when it has that "luxury yacht" wood trim, but that's about it.  The Cadillac isn't bad, but it's not special either. It looks kinda techy, like a Lexus, but without going overboard enough to look weird.

SuperCruise, or something like it, will be standard equipment on many cars by the end of the next decade.

"Superior fit and finish" that starts with faux leather on the "best or nothing" while displaying a design that only Helen Keller could love. Those pics do the C Class and A Class no favors. If those had any other badge on the hood, the resident Daimler fans would be losing their minds at how cheap it looks compared to Benz.

@surreal1272 woke up on the angry side of the bed this morning. 

13 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Good grief. We get it. SMK hijacked your account or you've been huffing Daimler exhaust fumes again.

You can disagree but you can also list the competition GM has to those listed vehicles. 

2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

@surreal1272 woke up on the angry side of the bed this morning. 

You can disagree but you can also list the competition GM has to those listed vehicles. 

You do understand that not every car needs to have competition right? Every model you have posted represents a tiny fraction of sales and this perfectly illustrates why companies like GM don’t need to waste too much time with niche models like that when their bigger things to worry about long term. 
 

And go hug yourself because I’m not angry at all. Quite the opposite as a matter of fact. Just done placating children like yourself. 

3 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The Cadillac needs more wood.... or am I just being old-fashioned?

You ever see the Laurel wood Caddy used in the ELR on the dash and doors? It's like a greenish gray, coworker had one beautiful car inside and out, was just priced wrong unless Leased then it wasn't too bad. Interior puts Tesla to shame big time!

Tiny fraction of sales, ~7.5% and almost all of those are in the $100,000 bracket. Big whoop, indeed. 

4 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

And go hug yourself because I’m not angry at all. Quite the opposite as a matter of fact. Just done placating children like yourself. 

You've come across as very angry.. 

Mercedes probably sells more AMGs(the real ones, not the C43 kind) than Cadillac sells vehicles. 

2 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

It's a silly word from two decades ago used by silly little boys when they think they're being clever.

Thought it was pseudo-Mafioso slang like 'goombah'..

20 hours ago, USA-1 Vortec 6.2 said:

Cadillac has always been a luxury marque to pioneer new technology ie delay wipers, cruise control, more recently Magnaride, TPMS ect. It's where the saying "It rides like a Cadillac" or "It's like a Cadillac" came from.

The CT4 interior is a much cleaner minimalist look and high tech rich for sure, just the small silver trim pieces look much nicer. All the large silver pieces in the A and C Class Merc looks cheap, Nissan has always liked to include the large silver trim pieces as well, looks even cheaper in those of course, the S Class and CT6 do it right with real brushed aluminum and carbon fiber, but you pay big for it.

Cadillac needs to look at what Lincoln is doing for interiors and try and come up with their own formula that doesn't copy them, but puts a Cadillac spin on the idea.

58 minutes ago, Potluck said:

Cadillac needs to look at what Lincoln is doing for interiors and try and come up with their own formula that doesn't copy them, but puts a Cadillac spin on the idea.

Well, since Lincoln is in damage control right now with major quality issues, then that would be counterproductive, and why would Cadillac want to look at what Lincoln is doing which is running to catch up with them? Cadillac will always be better than Lincoln, a division that is hanging by a string. The quality and fit and finish of Cadillac interiors as well as the power-train are far superior to Lincoln. If you haven't heard of "The Blackwing", take a look towards the top of this string. The 2021 Escalade will crush the current quite ugly Navigator and the CT cars especially the CT6, there is no comparison.

Because Lincoln is killing the interior department the last few things that have been released. 

Ford Kwality may not be job 1 these days, but in terms of interior styling, Lincoln has hit it so far out of the park, Cadillac can't even see the ball anymore. 

1 minute ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Ford Kwality may not be job 1 these days, but in terms of interior styling, Lincoln has hit it so far out of the park, Cadillac can't even see the ball anymore. 

I almost spit my coffee out with that one "Kwality"? Very few people have that opinion of Lincoln and I'm glad Lincoln is finally trying, it's about time, but they are in a different ball park on a JV team, it's a work in progress. Cadillac shot so far ahead in the last 20 years that Lincoln is just now catching up. You still barely see any Navigators out in the wild, but you do see tons of Escalades and it's not a production issue, they are sitting on the Lincoln dealer lots. 

sales =/= best or worst vehicle

Lincoln is currently fighting their sh!tty reputation that they built themselves over the last twenty or so years. 

2 hours ago, USA-1 Vortec 6.2 said:

I almost spit my coffee out with that one "Kwality"? Very few people have that opinion of Lincoln and I'm glad Lincoln is finally trying, it's about time, but they are in a different ball park on a JV team, it's a work in progress. Cadillac shot so far ahead in the last 20 years that Lincoln is just now catching up. You still barely see any Navigators out in the wild, but you do see tons of Escalades and it's not a production issue, they are sitting on the Lincoln dealer lots. 

Over all I agree with you that Cadillac has really upped their quality, but as late, as an Escalade ESV owner who gets all his service done at my local dealership, the newest Escalades have lost out to the last couple generations in terms of comfort and luxury especially in the seat department. The thin cardboard hard seats do not make for a road trip worth auto. My sales rep after selling me a total of 5 Cadillac's and 1 Hummer over the last 18 years has not got me to trade in my Platinum edition Escalade ESV as the current ones suck in the seats area. Had to many of them as free loaners and used one for a road trip where my comfort was anything but comfortable after 150 miles. Cadillac is lacking in the interior style and comfort of a luxury brand compared to the current release of the Navigator.

Cadillac needs to retain the quality they have but seriously upgrade their interiors to compete at the proper luxury level.

I also think Cadillac needs to interior options for their seats. If you only ever drive local short trips and you like a more short trip spirited driving seat, they needs to have those thin seats, but for those of us that love to take our Slades on the road seeing North America, they needs a better supported / comfortable chair.