Rumorpile: Another Day, Another Omega Platform Rumor

EXCITEMENT!!! This is very cool news, I can see a complete family of fighters to take on the German Trio of luxury makers.

I've always viewed this XTS as a transition vehicle, and the apparent three year lifespan planned for it confirms that.Though I do think the Epsilon XTS will do well, the world is ready for a rear-drive large Caddy.

As for Sixteen vs Ciel, I vote Ciel all the way.

I think C&D might be a little off... Since the CTS is moving to Alpha it makes sense to have only one sedan on Omega, the flagship car (in SWB and LWB configurations). What would make sense (to me at least and though it would become much less of a cash cow for GM) would be for the Escalade to move to Omega... A 2-door would be dependent on how GM positions any Alpha-based coupes/convertibles.

Yeah, CTS is going Alpha, but that doesn't mean that Buick couldn't get its own 5-series sized flagship on Omega.

  On 5/10/2012 at 4:02 PM, Oldsmoboi said:

Yeah, CTS is going Alpha, but that doesn't mean that Buick couldn't get its own 5-series sized flagship on Omega.

Wouldn't that create overlap? If anything a nice Omega-based Riviera could make sense. But, again, the risk of overlap is big in that option.

  On 5/10/2012 at 5:06 PM, ZL-1 said:

  On 5/10/2012 at 4:02 PM, Oldsmoboi said:

Yeah, CTS is going Alpha, but that doesn't mean that Buick couldn't get its own 5-series sized flagship on Omega.

Wouldn't that create overlap? If anything a nice Omega-based Riviera could make sense. But, again, the risk of overlap is big in that option.

I can see maybe a RWD Omega-based Buick sedan for China (to replace the current Zeta-based Park Avenue). But it could be a problem in the US. Cadillac wouldn't want Buick getting too close.

  On 5/10/2012 at 5:06 PM, ZL-1 said:

  On 5/10/2012 at 4:02 PM, Oldsmoboi said:

Yeah, CTS is going Alpha, but that doesn't mean that Buick couldn't get its own 5-series sized flagship on Omega.

Wouldn't that create overlap? If anything a nice Omega-based Riviera could make sense. But, again, the risk of overlap is big in that option.

Buick would be softer luxury, Cadillac is sport lux

  On 5/10/2012 at 5:40 PM, Oldsmoboi said:

ZL-1, on , said:

Oldsmoboi, on , said:

Yeah, CTS is going Alpha, but that doesn't mean that Buick couldn't get its own 5-series sized flagship on Omega.Wouldn't that create overlap? If anything a nice Omega-based Riviera could make sense. But, again, the risk of overlap is big in that option.

Buick would be softer luxury, Cadillac is sport lux

I think this would be bad for GM as the as the last thing they want is to have Buick ovelaping with Caddilac. Even if you say soft lux versus sport lux. No Buick needs to stay where it is as a Mid Lux builder.

Keep it proper with Chevy to Buick to Caddilac.

Omega will probably realize Caddy's dream of having 7er and Bentley competitors.

I see three may be four body styles. Per C&D there will not be any non Caddy on this platform. Buick may get its flagship from Alpha.

I expect several things on this platform. The Sedan is a lock. A Sport Coupe ala Bently like and A convertible 2-4 door?

The more I think they can keep Omega Cadillac the better. It would give Cadillac a more exclusive image they need. Also the engine program as in the ZR1 has shown GM can do limited run engines and still make money. While I do not even consider a V12 or V16 I do see where they could do a V8 in house now. Most MFG will be cutting the V12 and larger engines soon as Bently has already started to place a V8 in some of their cars and the others are looking to smaller engines and Turbochargers.

The more I think about it a SWB Chevy Zeta II and a LWB Zeta II could be in the cars as well as a Zeta II coupe for Buick after the Camaro moves to Alpha.

This line up would put space between the divisions and give Cadillac and Buick cars that are not the same and not also directly shared with Chevy.

3 seperate divisions with different versions of similar or different platforms for each. It sounds good to me. Also with the way GM build cars they could replace the Camaro line in Canada and no longer have to deal with the inport issues from OZ.

This sounds to me like they plan to replace the XTS with a rear drive model, yet continue on with the 310 hp V6. And not really build an S-class competitor. This seems like a Hyundai Equus competitor with a weaker engine. It would be nice if they went with an S-class competitor and a big luxury coupe, but as Car and Driver pointed out, what engine does GM have for that sort of car? I do think they should keep Omega as Cadillac only, will be interesting to see what happens with it, but it looks like it will be a while before we find out.

Did you read the part about the twin turbo V6 and also having the hybrid as well (just like the S-class)?

  On 5/11/2012 at 1:07 AM, Oldsmoboi said:

Did you read the part about the twin turbo V6 and also having the hybrid as well (just like the S-class)?

I read it all, but it sounds like they want to move the XTS to read drive, and it said the "flagship" still isn't approved. So it could be a while before a flagship car is done. The Ford Taurus has a turbo V6, doesn't make it a flagship sedan.

The XTS will remain as the choice for fleet sales. The Omega will be much more $$$$. The XTS will remain the choice for fleet and livery sales and take the resale bullet to protect the ressale value of the others in the line up. Think of the XTS as the Cadillac Captiva. They will keep with public sales to those who want them but for the most the appeal will be to those who buy for vehicles. The XTS will do for Cadillac what the Town Car did for Lincoln and generate cash flow. The difference is Cadillac will have other models that matter.

It says the XTS is being replaced though. Once Omega comes out, no XTS, according to Car and Driver.

I don't think C&D has it entirely correct.

Cadillac would not have put all the money into the XTS just to only have it on the market for 2 years.

XTS is a 5-10 year car to the public and really focused as a fleet whore.

  On 5/10/2012 at 9:42 PM, smk4565 said:

This sounds to me like they plan to replace the XTS with a rear drive model, yet continue on with the 310 hp V6. And not really build an S-class competitor. This seems like a Hyundai Equus competitor with a weaker engine. It would be nice if they went with an S-class competitor and a big luxury coupe, but as Car and Driver pointed out, what engine does GM have for that sort of car? I do think they should keep Omega as Cadillac only, will be interesting to see what happens with it, but it looks like it will be a while before we find out.

There is an S350 V6 that produces measly 272 hp. So yes this is an S class competitor. If you dream of Caddy being global then accept the fact that this Caddy will have smaller less powerful engine. BMW has 740i in USA that produces dinky 318 hp.

With your analogy, S350 is also a Bumdai competitor with a weaker engine.

How many times have the magazines told us what the new Corvettes will look like and they miss it nearly every time.

The Omega is as much a mystery to them as it is to us.

Ladies and gents, I have a couple corrections for you on the XTS:

1. It is a 5 year program

2. SORP started Monday

H'mmm 5 years at least makes sense and if they truly replace xts in 5 years it will keep it fresh and interesting for people and buyers.

Question for your, being Friday morning and having been up for 6hrs already running on 2hrs sleep, SORP = ???????

EMC has an achronym web page as they have like 800 used. So I am mind blank on what it stands for.

My guess is SORP is 'Start Of Regular Production' maybe?

Yep.

Call me when the car is at local dealers, please. Sounds exciting, but I will believe it when I can get my hands on one.