Cadillac Announces the 2026 Vistiq

Nice compliment to a solid styling EV lineup.

I'm having trouble with the name. Vistiq, like Lyriq, or Vistiq like Vih-steek, like "chique".

10 hours ago, Paolino said:

I'm having trouble with the name. Vistiq, like Lyriq, or Vistiq like Vih-steek, like "chique".

My understanding from hearing Cadillac is you would pronounce it Visssss Teak "Vistiq"

The naming scheme is stupid, but whatever.  The issue I see is the Lyriq is near MDX or XT6 size already but is only a 2 row.  So this is just bigger and heavier, and Ultium products are already too heavy to begin with.  If they can engineer weight out of this and boost efficiency then they could have a solid vehicle.

14 hours ago, smk4565 said:

The naming scheme is stupid, but whatever.  The issue I see is the Lyriq is near MDX or XT6 size already but is only a 2 row.  So this is just bigger and heavier, and Ultium products are already too heavy to begin with.  If they can engineer weight out of this and boost efficiency then they could have a solid vehicle.

Mercedes is worse, stupid naming system rather than actual names, EVs are too bloody heavy, slow and not competitive with what others are building. Only badge snobs are buying, and I see a ton of Mercedes EVs and vans sitting on the lots here compared to Hyundai, Kia and Genesis is selling everything they make. 

Maybe the Germans and Americans need to look at the way Koreans are building as the Japanese are falling behind both Germans and Americans.

6 hours ago, David said:

Mercedes is worse, stupid naming system rather than actual names, EVs are too bloody heavy, slow and not competitive with what others are building. Only badge snobs are buying, and I see a ton of Mercedes EVs and vans sitting on the lots here compared to Hyundai, Kia and Genesis is selling everything they make. 

Maybe the Germans and Americans need to look at the way Koreans are building as the Japanese are falling behind both Germans and Americans.

The EQ naming is going away after this generation, because the next Generation of S-class, E-class etc will only be electric and there will be no ICE version, thus you can jus have E450 or S500, etc.  Mercedes executives have even said they aren't keeping the EQ naming structure.  And the Mercedes EV's are too heavy, but their next generation tech is due for 2025 model year, and the electric CLA is targeting a 400+ mile range and 800 volt architecture.  

The current EQ cars (although they beat their EPA estimates in range) are behind what Tesla has in terms of range and performance and the EQ cars are too expensive when an ICE E-class is cheaper with better interior and better styling.  But as I said, the 400 volt batteries and the current motors are all getting replaced in 2025 with a new generation.  GM on the other hand is going to be ramping up Ultium for 2025 model year when it is old tech.

Cadillac used to be all into cutting weight, and bragged about their sub 4,000 lb full size CT6, I bet the Vistiq is over 6,000 lbs for a vehicle smaller than a CT6.

11 hours ago, smk4565 said:

And the Mercedes EV's are too heavy, but their next generation tech is due for 2025 model year, and the electric CLA is targeting a 400+ mile range and 800 volt architecture.  

(Yet no where in the last part of that sentence is the weight of said '25 models just after admitting that the current models are, in fact, too heavy).

How does the increased range and charging speed help bring down the weight? Oh that's right. That was a misdirection post.

11 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Cadillac used to be all into cutting weight, and bragged about their sub 4,000 lb full size CT6, I bet the Vistiq is over 6,000 lbs for a vehicle smaller than a CT6.

ICE apples to EV oranges. Try again.

18 hours ago, David said:

Mercedes is worse, stupid naming system rather than actual names, EVs are too bloody heavy, slow and not competitive with what others are building

That doesn't make what was said about GM and their weight any less on point. They are too heavy.

15 hours ago, smk4565 said:

The EQ naming is going away after this generation, because the next Generation of S-class, E-class etc will only be electric and there will be no ICE version, thus you can jus have E450 or S500, etc.  Mercedes executives have even said they aren't keeping the EQ naming structure.  And the Mercedes EV's are too heavy, but their next generation tech is due for 2025 model year, and the electric CLA is targeting a 400+ mile range and 800 volt architecture.  

The current EQ cars (although they beat their EPA estimates in range) are behind what Tesla has in terms of range and performance and the EQ cars are too expensive when an ICE E-class is cheaper with better interior and better styling.  But as I said, the 400 volt batteries and the current motors are all getting replaced in 2025 with a new generation.  GM on the other hand is going to be ramping up Ultium for 2025 model year when it is old tech.

Cadillac used to be all into cutting weight, and bragged about their sub 4,000 lb full size CT6, I bet the Vistiq is over 6,000 lbs for a vehicle smaller than a CT6.

E450, S500 all terrible names as it is alphabetized soup and no warmth, meaning, etc. as real names, at least Cadillac has returned to names. FAILURE MERCEDES, FAILURE YOU trying to bad mouth New Cadillac Names over alphabetized mess of naming from Mercedes your favorite brand versus GM, what some have said is my favorite brand.

Mercedes is now just catching up with untested new 800V technology. GM Ultium was built as an 800V architecture and GM has already stated they are moving to updated versions as they start to ramp up EV production for 2025. No old tech, but ahead of the Germans.

Also to quote @surreal1272 who hit the nail on the Head!!!!

3 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

(Yet no where in the last part of that sentence is the weight of said '25 models just after admitting that the current models are, in fact, too heavy).

How does the increased range and charging speed help bring down the weight? Oh that's right. That was a misdirection post.

ICE apples to EV oranges. Try again.

That doesn't make what was said about GM and their weight any less on point. They are too heavy.

He is right, no matter GM, Mercedes, Tesla, they are all heavy compared to ICE, the density of Solid state batteries is where weight savings will come into play as well as moving to lite weight materials that is starting to play a bigger role in the auto making process along with 3D printing.

6 hours ago, David said:

E450, S500 all terrible names as it is alphabetized soup and no warmth, meaning, etc. as real names, at least Cadillac has returned to names. FAILURE MERCEDES, FAILURE YOU trying to bad mouth New Cadillac Names over alphabetized mess of naming from Mercedes your favorite brand versus GM, what some have said is my favorite brand.

Mercedes is now just catching up with untested new 800V technology. GM Ultium was built as an 800V architecture and GM has already stated they are moving to updated versions as they start to ramp up EV production for 2025. No old tech, but ahead of the Germans.

Also to quote @surreal1272 who hit the nail on the Head!!!!

He is right, no matter GM, Mercedes, Tesla, they are all heavy compared to ICE, the density of Solid state batteries is where weight savings will come into play as well as moving to lite weight materials that is starting to play a bigger role in the auto making process along with 3D printing.

Mercedes has had basically the same naming structure for 50 years, S-class has been around 50 years, G-wagon and E-class around 45 years, etc.  Consistency is good.  Also the model name isn't as important as the Mercedes-Benz brand name is.  Similar to Tesla, the brand is what matters, not the model.  Brands with lesser image need to rely more on model names.

As far as weight goes, a Tesla Model Y is 4,154 to 4,555 lbs.  A Cadillac XT5 which is close in size is 3,915 to 4,338.  Yes EV's are heavier, but they don't need to be 6,000 lbs.

New images really show it off... I love it... interior especially.

On 12/21/2023 at 6:33 PM, smk4565 said:

Mercedes has had basically the same naming structure for 50 years

Oh?

The "E-Class" name first appeared with the facelifted W124 in 1993 for the model year 1994 (the W124 was introduced in 1984 but continued with the older naming convention until 1993 when all Mercedes-Benz models switched to a new system, e.g. E 320 instead of 300 E)

On 12/31/2024 at 9:16 AM, Drew Dowdell said:

Oh?

The "E-Class" name first appeared with the facelifted W124 in 1993 for the model year 1994 (the W124 was introduced in 1984 but continued with the older naming convention until 1993 when all Mercedes-Benz models switched to a new system, e.g. E 320 instead of 300 E)

So 40 years of 300E/E350, G-class since the 1970s, 300SE/S500 since like 1970, SL since 1954.  Yes they changed from number first to letter first, but it is the same alpha-numeric theme.   The treading water luxury brands like Lincoln, Acura, Infiniti and Cadillac change naming around all the time and don't have the brand equity, and the really struggling brands like Jaguar, Maserati, Alfa Romeo just aren't consistent enough at anything.  

I think Cadillac could go all EV and really rebuild the lineup and be on to something, but they then need 10-20 years of consistently good product.

The 2045 Cadillac lineup should be, Optiq, Lyriq, Vistiq, Escalade, Celestiq and whatever they name their EV sedan that I imagine will replace CT4/CT5.  

17 hours ago, smk4565 said:

So 40 years of 300E/E350, G-class since the 1970s, 300SE/S500 since like 1970, SL since 1954.  Yes they changed from number first to letter first, but it is the same alpha-numeric theme.   The treading water luxury brands like Lincoln, Acura, Infiniti and Cadillac change naming around all the time and don't have the brand equity, and the really struggling brands like Jaguar, Maserati, Alfa Romeo just aren't consistent enough at anything.  

I think Cadillac could go all EV and really rebuild the lineup and be on to something, but they then need 10-20 years of consistently good product.

The 2045 Cadillac lineup should be, Optiq, Lyriq, Vistiq, Escalade, Celestiq and whatever they name their EV sedan that I imagine will replace CT4/CT5.  

Yeah, just a hundred variations of the stupid number/letter game and models during those years, like the former M-Class lineup, that have come and gone. 
 

Enough with the naming semantics game. You whined for years about Cadillac not having names and now that they do, you still nitpick it.