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    2020 Cadillac CT4-V and CT5-V Aren't As Powerful As Their Predecessors

      ...More Potent Versions Could Be In the Pipeline...


    At an event tonight in Detroit, Cadillac delivered a one-two punch for those craving for a bit of performance with the introduction of the 2020 CT4-V and CT5-V. On paper, the two models aren't what we were expecting. Instead of the firebreathing monsters that were the ATS-V and CTS-V, the CT4 and CT5-V are more in line with middle children of German automakers - Audi S4, BMW M340i, and Mercedes-AMG C43 and E43.

    CT4-V

    To say we're a bit surprised that Cadillac is showing off the performance variant of their upcoming entry-level sedan would be an understatement - the reveal of the standard CT4 is expected to happen in a few weeks. Aimed at the likes of the Audi S3 and Mercedes-AMG A45, the CT4-V uses a 2.7L turbo-four from the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra. It makes 320 horsepower and 369 pound-feet of torque. Power flows through a 10-speed automatic to either rear or all four wheels. No manual is available. Other mechanical bits to be aware of are four-piston brake calipers at all corners, and Magnetic Ride Control being standard on RWD models - AWD sticks with conventional shocks.

    Design-wise, the CT4-V looks like it could be mid-cycle facelift for the ATS with a similar profile. The front end mimics the larger CT5 with a wide grille and unique headlight shape. Around back, there is a boat tail effect for the trunk lid with a small lip spoiler and quad tailpipes.

    CT5-V

    Cadillac appears to be playing it quiet with the CT5-V's design. The only bits that set it apart from the standard model are the dark trim, quad-tailpipes, rear diffuser, and new wheels. Under the hood is a twin-turbo 3.0L V6 making 355 horsepower and 400 pound-feet of torque. For those keeping score, that's 20 more horsepower than the CT5 with this same engine, while torque is unchanged. Like the CT4-V, the CT5 routes power through a 10-speed automatic and either rear- or all-wheel drive. An electronically controlled limited-slip differential, Magnetic Ride Control, Performance Traction Management system, and four-piston brakes finish off the changes.

    The CT4-V and CT5-V are expected to go on sale early next year.

    Our Big Concern

    We find ourselves wondering what is Cadillac thinking? On paper, these models make more sense as V-Sport models considering what's being presented. Badging them as V dilutes hardcore image that the past few models have brought forth. Why is Cadillac doing this? Autoblog may have an answer. According to a Cadillac representative, the brand is wanting to bring in a broader set of buyers to showrooms, hence they are making them less hardcore. This will allow them to bring V versions of other models like their crossovers. But there are hardcore versions coming in the pipeline according to the rep.

    Still, we can't help but wonder if GM has done their classic move of shooting themselves in the foot.

    Source: Cadillac


    Cadillac Reveals First-Ever CT4-V and CT5-V

    • Expanded lineup adds more choices for spirited performance. Highlights include available Super Cruise, AWD, Magnetic Ride Control 4.0, eLSD and new V-Mode

    Driven by Cadillac’s latest turbocharging technology and building on more than 15 years of performance credentials, the first-ever 2020 CT4-V and CT5-V were unveiled today, expanding choices for the brand’s V-Series performance sub-brand.

    Following the 2019 CT6-V, they grow the V-Series family with even more levels of performance, while preserving the lineage established by the original V-Series lineup introduced in 2004.   

    “The new V-Series sedan lineup defines modern sophistication by combining luxury appointments with thoughtful technology and athletic refinement for the discerning enthusiast,” said Brandon Vivian, Cadillac executive chief engineer. “We are inviting even more customers into the V-Series family by adding a new level of elevated performance between our Sport models and the ultimate, high-performance track capability that the V-Series has grown to represent.”

    The first-ever CT4 and recently introduced CT5 represent Cadillac’s realigned sedan portfolio, characterized by new proportions, innovative technologies and more appearance and performance choices. Each is built on Cadillac’s award-winning rear-wheel-drive Alpha architecture, with the V-Series models developed to deliver the ultimate blend of performance, presence and road-going refinement.

    Both share the latest standard V-Series performance technologies, including Magnetic Ride Control 4.0, which is tuned specifically for V models to enhance comfort without sacrificing performance-oriented responsiveness, and drive modes that include new V-Mode personalization. Each model is available in RWD or AWD and features a 10-speed automatic transmission, Brembo front brakes with eBoost electronic assist and a limited-slip rear differential on CT4-V and electronic limited-slip differential on CT5-V.

    Cadillac’s exclusive Super Cruise1, the first true hands-free driver assistance feature for the freeway, is available on more than 130,000 miles of limited-access freeways in the U.S. and Canada. It will be available on both new V-Series models.  

    “The new lineup expands the V-Series ethos, drawing more customers into the Cadillac Performance family, and the newest Vs are focused on elevated athleticism and luxurious refinement for customers wanting a dynamic daily drive,” said Mark Reuss, GM president. “And this is only the beginning of the V family. Cadillac’s passion for performance shines on a racetrack. Stay tuned.”

    Vehicle highlights

    CT5-V — The first-ever CT5-V builds on the precision-focused details of the all-new luxury sedan introduced earlier this year to offer elevated road performance and an engaging driving experience.  

    • Powered by Cadillac’s high-output 3.0L Twin Turbo V-6 engine, which uses low-inertia turbochargers to enhance power production across the rpm band. It is rated at a Cadillac-estimated 355 horsepower (265 kW), pending SAE certification.
    • 10-speed automatic transmission.
    • Electronic limited-slip rear differential.
    • Standard RWD and available AWD.
    • V-Series performance chassis with Magnetic Ride Control 4.0.
    • Performance Traction Management.
    • Vehicle Control Mode with customizable V-Mode.
    • Brembo front braking system.
    • 19-inch wheels and summer-only performance tires2 (all-season tires available with AWD).
    • Dark exterior accents and V-Series mesh grilles; unique rear diffuser and quad exhaust tips.
    • Super Cruise1 available.
    • Unique performance persona instrument cluster and V-Mode steering wheel control.

    CT4-V — Developed for a new generation of sedan customers, the first-ever CT4 blends nimble handling and Cadillac’s signature technology. The CT4-V takes these traits further, infusing the brand’s racing DNA for a dynamic, responsive and exhilarating driving experience.   

    • Powered by Cadillac’s high-output 2.7L Turbo engine featuring a unique three-step sliding camshaft that helps optimize performance at all speeds. It is rated at a Cadillac-estimated 320 horsepower (239 kW), pending SAE certification.
    • 10-speed automatic.
    • Limited-slip rear differential.
    • V-Series performance chassis with Magnetic Ride Control 4.0 (on RWD) or ZF MVS passive dampers (on AWD).
    • Vehicle Control Mode with customizable V-Mode.
    • Brembo front braking system.
    • 18-inch wheels and summer-only performance tires2 (all-season tires available with AWD).
    • Near-perfect 50/50 weight distribution for an exceptional feeling of balance and control.
    • Dark exterior accents and V-Series mesh grilles; quad exhaust tips, unique rear spoiler design that helps reduce rear lift while increasing grip for the rear tires.
    • Super Cruise1 available.
    • Unique performance persona instrument cluster and V-Mode steering wheel control.

    MORE TO COME
    The CT4-V and CT5-V go on sale early in the 2020 calendar year, with production at GM’s Lansing Grand River facility in Michigan. Additional product information, as well as details on additional V-Series variants and CT4 Luxury, Premium Luxury and Sport models, will be announced at a later date.

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    This makes no sense at all. A whole 20 more HP on the CT5 makes it a V? I agree with William on this. The setup on both sound more like V-Sport trims as opposed to actual V series models. Seriously, what is GM smoking right now? Even the auto log explanation doesn’t make sense when they already have V-Sport trims they could just as easily implement for that plan and save the V for the hardcore performance models. I just don’t get it. 

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    I am surprised to see the 

    10 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    This makes no sense at all. A whole 20 more HP on the CT5 makes it a V? I agree with William on this. The setup on both sound more like V-Sport trims as opposed to actual V series models. Seriously, what is GM smoking right now? Even the auto log explanation doesn’t make sense when they already have V-Sport trims they could just as easily implement for that plan and save the V for the hardcore performance models. I just don’t get it. 

    The Car & Driver article implied there would be a higher horsepower 'more' V coming.  No idea what they will call it and if it will be a V8 or not.   It really sounds like the new 'V' is where 'V-sport' would be.  Maybe the higher power versions will be called 'V-extreme' or 'Hyper-V'. 

    9 minutes ago, loki said:

    i was wondering if and when the 2.7L turbo 4 would make it into other vehicles.

    Was surprised to see that, thought it was going to be a truck only engine.

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    3 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    The Car & Driver article implied there would be a higher horsepower 'more' V coming.  No idea what they will call it and if it will be a V8 or not. 

    CT4-V GX

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    I'll say this, I haven't been able to get onboard with the tail-light piping.. vertical piping, fine, the (in my opinion, odd) horizontal-into-the-trunklid piping I'm just not liking.

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    Some rather odd contours on the CT4 rear end, I think I prefer the CT5 rear (not the C-pillar, but the deck and rear fascia).  I like the license plate location more on the CT5.

     

     

     

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    25 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    I am surprised to see the 

    The Car & Driver article implied there would be a higher horsepower 'more' V coming.  No idea what they will call it and if it will be a V8 or not.   It really sounds like the new 'V' is where 'V-sport' would be.  Maybe the higher power versions will be called 'V-extreme' or 'Hyper-V'. 

    Was surprised to see that, thought it was going to be a truck only engine.

    The third sentence in your post is exactly my point. It just seems unnecessarily confusing. 

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    2 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    A 4-cylinder pickup engine in a V-series Cadillac is a joke.

    AaaAaaaaaaaaaaaannnd there it is. Took a few minutes more than I thought!

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    12 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    First off neither of these look good.  And does GM do an interior that isn't monotone gray?  Every new vehicle intro is some bland form of charcoal gray on every surface, and the CT4 interior seems like it came out of a Mazda, not a Cadillac.

    A 4-cylinder pickup engine in a V-series Cadillac is a joke.  20 hp increase for the V-series means V is no longer for Velocity.

    They really phoned it in on these.  It is almost as if they want sedan sales to tank even more so they can just cancel them all.

    They really have overdone gray... I so hate gray interiors.  There is probably some shitty carbon fiber trim in there also on the V-series, though I didn't see any in the photos.  In the first post above it says in 'The Big Concern' the detuned V series are so they can do V series versions of their AWD/transverse engine crossovers.   So V-series now means basically appearance package. 

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    5 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    They really have overdone gray... I so hate gray interiors.  There is probably some $h!ty carbon fiber trim in there also on the V-series.   In the first post above it says in 'The Big Concern' the detuned V series are so they can do V series versions of their AWD/transverse engine crossovers.   So V-series now means basically appearance package. 

    I imagine an XT4-V and XT5-V are coming with like 40 more hp than the standard car and they'll throw on a lot of appearance package stuff.

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    Just now, frogger said:

    I can only guess they want to keep the prices low.

     

    I wonder if they will do that...or if the prices will be the same or higher than the ATS-v and CTS-v were.

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    6 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    They really have overdone gray... I so hate gray interiors.  There is probably some $h!ty carbon fiber trim in there also on the V-series.   In the first post above it says in 'The Big Concern' the detuned V series are so they can do V series versions of their AWD/transverse engine crossovers.   So V-series now means basically appearance package. 

    The interior actually looks pretty good but I agree about the overuse of monotone. Show a little contrast and it would really set itself apart. 

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    1 minute ago, surreal1272 said:

    The interior actually looks pretty good but I agree about the overuse of monotone. Show a little contrast and it would really set itself apart. 

    I like the design of the interiors of both cars, it's just they are so dark and grim.  They need color.

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    8 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    AaaAaaaaaaaaaaaannnd there it is. Took a few minutes more than I thought!

    Well that is what it is.  A low revving pushrod 4 that has a 5,700 rpm redline in a freaking performance car!  How is that Cadillac level refinement, or high performance?

    GM just can't help themselves, they will nickel and dime anything and they clearly don't care about Cadillac as a brand given these two vehicles.

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    4 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    I wonder if they will do that...or if the prices will be the same or higher than the ATS-v and CTS-v were.

    These will have to be cheap, there is speculation that CT4 will start in the low 30s for the base care, CT5 around  $40k, and that V-series might add $7-8k on top of the sport trim pricing.  But in the CT5's case you are paying $7k for 20 horsepower.

    And there will be a discount when they sit on dealer lots, so I wouldn't be surprised if CT4-V's are going for like $40k actual sale price and $50k on a CT5-V.

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    2 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Ed Wilburn would have never okayed the mess the rear of the Ct4 is...

    I agree. What has happened at Cadillac? The rear ends on their current sedans look worlds better. 

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    4 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Well that is what it is.  A low revving pushrod 4 that has a 5,700 rpm redline in a freaking performance car!  How is that Cadillac level refinement, or high performance?

    GM just can't help themselves, they will nickel and dime anything and they clearly don't care about Cadillac as a brand given these two vehicles.

    pushrod 4?  It's not 1982.  I think the 2.7 is DOHC...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_L3B_engine

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    19 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Oh you are right, it is a DOHC.  I thought then it came out they said it was a pushrod, but that is my mistake.  That is a crazy low redline for a DOHC engine.

    I  thought that also... had to look it up.  I think I was conflating it with the new Ford Super Duty pushrod V8.  Wikipedia had the redline at 6100..but still low.  Anyone know what the redline of the 2.0 turbo in the Camaro and others is? 

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    18 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Well that is what it is.  A low revving pushrod 4 that has a 5,700 rpm redline in a freaking performance car!  How is that Cadillac level refinement, or high performance?

    GM just can't help themselves, they will nickel and dime anything and they clearly don't care about Cadillac as a brand given these two vehicles.

    Cadillac is not the only company nickel and diming their cars but I’m betting you wouldn’t recognize that fact because it involves Mercedes. Almost all makes do it these days. 

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    Just now, balthazar said:

    You believe redline level determines if a car is a performance car or not? ?

    No, but most performance cars rev over 6,000 rpm at least.  This isn't a Bentley Arnage.

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    I am one that thinks its ok to have a little bit less performance if it means AWD is finally available for the V cars.  Now at least in a snow state you can realistically think of owning one and using it all year, that alone is HUGE.  You know the blackwing will end up in the CT5 and i am sure something more wild will end up in the CT4 down the road too.  A four cylinder in the Ct4 doesn't bother me at all, because the CT5 has the v6.  With the long stroke on the 4 we need to see if it revs well enough and that the engine runs smooth but it makes sense to me to make it a hot 4 instead of the extra weight of the v6.  The interior of the CT4 like the Ct5 is nice but i do agree with all the comments about too many black tones with GM.  At least in cadillac you may have some more color choices.  The Ct4 looks classier even if its just a rubbed and oiled ATS.  I like the rear end look on it just fine.  The Ct5 rear window debacle looks even worse here, wtf was GM thinking.  Big trouble with CT4 will be whether it has more interior space or not.  If it has the same useless back seat as the ATS, same shitty trunk, etc. it may still be an issue.

    Cadillac is making the V series Cadillac sedans cheaper because neither chevy nor buick can sell any sedans at a higher price.  Caddy is left to serve the sedan market, whatever is left and therefore is trying to find a sweet spot in price and performance that will allow these things to sell enough in the showroom and make profit.  So Cadillac V series is the new GM excitement! division, it brings more people into  the GM fold instead of 90,000 dollar V cars.  I don't mind this, you know there will be a more expensive CT5 blackwing eventually.

    CT4 and CT5 need to get their shit together and have a really nice lease program.  Lower prices may help keep better residuals and actually help move more metal.  GM really needs a great base CT4 with a great base lease deal to bring new younger buyers into the brand.

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    7 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    Cadillac is not the only company nickel and diming their cars but I’m betting you wouldn’t recognize that fact because it involves Mercedes. Almost all makes do it these days. 

    And where are they doing that?  There is no shortage of horsepower at Mercedes. They also didn't release an AMG E-class with 355 hp, well they did back in 1999, but they would not today.

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    4 minutes ago, regfootball said:

    I am one that thinks its ok to have a little bit less performance if it means AWD is finally available for the V cars. 

    The BMW M5 Competition has all wheel drive and the dyno test shows 617 hp and 606 lb-ft at the wheels.  So that is 700 hp engine at the crank.  Cadillac didn't have to remove horsepower to make them all wheel drive.  

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    I wonder if this 2.7 is half of the new 5.5 liter that is being rumored. The black wing in the ct6 is the 4.2 liter version. If the 5.5 is essentially 2 cylinder banks of the 2.7 in a V then possibly this should be a smooth 4 cylinder and possibly have room for much higher tune. 

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    30 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    No, but most performance cars rev over 6,000 rpm at least.  This isn't a Bentley Arnage.

    Obviously you don't believe your own post. 

    There is no shortage of horsepower at Mercedes.


    There is in the A-class: 188 HP. That's 15 hp less than a camry 4-banger.

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    42 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    And where are they doing that?  There is no shortage of horsepower at Mercedes. They also didn't release an AMG E-class with 355 hp, well they did back in 1999, but they would not today.

    Did I say anything about horsepower? Nope. Sure didn’t. There are plenty of other ways that Benz has nickel and dimes their cars just like everyone else has. 

     

    Having said that, I think gave a great example of horsepower or lack thereof and I will add that a $41K starting price for a 255HP C Class is a bit of a ripoff. And before you try to throw in the Cadillac example know this. Only Benz is advertising their cars as the “best or nothing” while charging $41K for a 255HP car. 

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    21 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    Obviously you don't believe your own post. 
     


    There is in the A-class: 188 HP. That's 15 hp less than a camry 4-banger.

    But you can get an A-class with 406 hp also and that is a tiny car.

    I am not against a 4 cylinder, CT4 and CT5 should both have standard 4’s because most people don’t care about having more than 250 hp or so.  But these V-series are weaker than the ‘04 CTS-V by a good margin.

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    Just now, surreal1272 said:

    Did I say anything about horsepower? Nope. Sure didn’t. There are plenty of other ways that Benz has nickel and dimes their cars just like everyone else has. 

     

    Having said that, I think gave a great example of horsepower or lack thereof and I will add that a $41K starting price for a 255HP C Class is a bit of a ripoff. And before you try to throw in the Cadillac example know this. Only Benz is advertising their cars as the “best or nothing” while charging $41K for a 255HP car. 

    The C-class, as with all Mercedes-Benz/Maybach are luxury first and then performance.  A C300 isn’t a performance car, so 255 hp in there is fine for its purpose.  And you can get 503 hp in there if you want.

    If Cadillac has world beater interiors and was selling ride comfort and hand stitched leather the power wouldn’t matter.  Sort of what Lincoln is doing, they are trying to sell interior comfort and don’t care about performance.    But Cadillac are selling V-series sports cars here with these engines.

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    Nobody buys an a-class amg. 
    If 'most people don't care about have more than 250 HP', what are they going to think about a camry running away from their entry-level MB? 188 HP is laughable; the CLA had 208 HP 6 years ago and the a-class is the same size.

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    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    The C-class, as with all Mercedes-Benz/Maybach are luxury first and then performance.  A C300 isn’t a performance car, so 255 hp in there is fine for its purpose.  And you can get 503 hp in there if you want.

    If Cadillac has world beater interiors and was selling ride comfort and hand stitched leather the power wouldn’t matter.  Sort of what Lincoln is doing, they are trying to sell interior comfort and don’t care about performance.    But Cadillac are selling V-series sports cars here with these engines.

    You have missed the point entirely. Fact. Mercedes nickel and dimes just like the rest of them. 

     

    And while the V series is being mislabeled here, it has already been stated that higher up models are coming with a different designation. Also, outside of the monotone color, the interior design of both Cadillacs looks more modern than their Mercedes counterpart. I’m sure you will disagree because you won’t see Benz any other way but that’s just what I think. 

     

    Oh and how many attempts has Mercedes had at making Maybach relevant in this country? I’ve lost count to be honest. 

    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    But you can get an A-class with 406 hp also and that is a tiny car.

    I am not against a 4 cylinder, CT4 and CT5 should both have standard 4’s because most people don’t care about having more than 250 hp or so.  But these V-series are weaker than the ‘04 CTS-V by a good margin.

    Oooh, a FWD based 406HP car (yes I know that model is AWD but those are FWD bones in there)! That should go over well. Yeah, that’s a hard pass. 

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    I am with Paulie, I cannot grasp the mixed vertical and horizontal taillight theme on these new Cadillacs.  It is vertical or nothing.  However, am I the only one in here who actually likes the CT4-V?  Yes the single tone interior is too somber... and it looks like the ATS with a mid-cycle refresh... but I like it more than the CT5.

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    3 hours ago, ocnblu said:

    I am with Paulie, I cannot grasp the mixed vertical and horizontal taillight theme on these new Cadillacs.  It is vertical or nothing.  However, am I the only one in here who actually likes the CT4-V?  Yes the single tone interior is too somber... and it looks like the ATS with a mid-cycle refresh... but I like it more than the CT5.

    I definitely like the CT4 roofline more than the CT5.   Looking forward to seeing how regular trim CT4s look.  

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    I like CT4 front and side much more than the CT5, not sure about the rear though.

    As many said before, this should have been V-sport trim , not the V.   Really disappointing, if they want to compete with Germans and make over 100 less hp.

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    11 hours ago, balthazar said:

    AaaAaaaaaaaaaaaannnd there it is. Took a few minutes more than I thought!

    In all fairness, GM themselves said it was a truck engine.. 

    So GM is following step for step with Mercedes and BMW with the "fake AMG" and 'fake M' naming on middle of the pack cars now.. awesome.. 

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    In looking thru the 2019 Silverado brochure, I can't find where the term "truck engine" was used.
    There really is no such thing. GM put the 350 in millions of trucks, and thousands of Corvettes. No one ever thought to twist the phrase 'the Vette has a truck engine in it". 

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    11 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Oh you are right, it is a DOHC.  I thought then it came out they said it was a pushrod, but that is my mistake.  That is a crazy low redline for a DOHC engine.

    It's a tri-power engine that can run on 2 cylinders. It's cammed for low end torque over high end horsepower. I'm okay with the engine actually. I just don't think it's worth of the V series badge 

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    What I wonder is if this move has to do with CAFE?  And will the Camaro V6 be replaced by the 2.7 turbo 4 and the Camaro SS get the CT5-V engine?  Making the V8 Camaro only at the Z28 or ZL1 high dollar level.  And I could see the 2.7 as the base Tahoe engine too.

    And if it isn’t about CAFE then are they moving Cadillac down market because the Malibu could be the only sedan GM has outside of Cadillac when they kill the Opel based Regal.  And maybe they need sedans in that $30k- $40k range. 

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    11 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

     

    I  thought that also... had to look it up.  I think I was conflating it with the new Ford Super Duty pushrod V8.  Wikipedia had the redline at 6100..but still low.  Anyone know what the redline of the 2.0 turbo in the Camaro and others is? 

    The Mustang's 2.3 makes peak power at 5700rpm. Not sure what redline is but proably 6000-6300 maybe. 

    Fusion 2.0 makes peak power at 5500rpm.

    The Camaro 2.0 makes peak power at 5600rpm so likely similar. 

    40 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    In looking thru the 2019 Silverado brochure, I can't find where the term "truck engine" was used.
    There really is no such thing. GM put the 350 in millions of trucks, and thousands of Corvettes. No one ever thought to twist the phrase 'the Vette has a truck engine in it". 

    I'll look harder. It might have been a TFL video where they were talking to an engineer but I am certain I read or heard a quote that it was for trucks because of NVH. 

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    37 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    The Mustang's 2.3 makes peak power at 5700rpm. Not sure what redline is but proably 6000-6300 maybe. 

    There is no engineering reason to have a redline anymore than 100-200 RPM above peak power. It’s utterly pointless to have one 600 RPM above.

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    3 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    There is no engineering reason to have a redline anymore than 100-200 RPM above peak power. It’s utterly pointless to have one 600 RPM above.

    Well, talk to the engineers about that. 

    I had to go to a dealer website to make sure I found a 2.3's instrument cluster.

     

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    https://www.driveprime.com/new-Prime+Motor+Group-2018-Ford-Mustang-EcoBoost-1FATP8UH6J5100685 

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