2017 Cadillac CT6 PHEV is coming With 449 HP, 37-Mile Electric Range

The battery is a Volt battery, cut in half, and folded. 

It's pretty compelling,

Would I get it though?

No. I would get a different CT6. 

It's pretty compelling,

Would I get it though?

No. I would get a different CT6. 

I dunno. Until the TTV8 arrived I would think this would be my choice of all variations of the CT6. Talk about luxury. Acceleration is on point.. and the 37 miles of EV driving is a helluva bonus. In truth.. like the previous Volt owners will attest to.. U could drive this car every day and never use gasoline until it was time to do a annual burn off

The burn-off is generally quarterly.

Another feature of the CT6 is the ability to save the battery for later.    For example, if you know you're going to be sitting in traffic later,  you can activate that feature, drive along on the highway using gasoline, and then flip back into EV mode once you get into the city. 

I'm interested in what the shifts in this will feel like.  It won't be like a CVT, but it won't be like an auto-box either. 

So Question, being a lover of Cadillac and I do love the CT6, why would they not want to use the BOLT battery pack on this thing giving it the industry the current best Hybrid car out there? At this price point it would KICK Tesla Butt.

Imagen a CT6 with 225 mile range in pure electric mode and with the engine then give you another 3-400 miles. This would kick all luxury auto's around.

So Question, being a lover of Cadillac and I do love the CT6, why would they not want to use the BOLT battery pack on this thing giving it the industry the current best Hybrid car out there? At this price point it would KICK Tesla Butt.

 

Imagen a CT6 with 225 mile range in pure electric mode and with the engine then give you another 3-400 miles. This would kick all luxury auto's around.

weight and packaging. The Bolt won't have the performance characteristics of a Tesla.  In order for the CT6 to compete, it would need to be within that performance range and the Bolt's battery pack likely wouldn't support that sort of performance.... .  and as we all know, if the Cadillac is 0.000001 seconds slower to 60 mph than a competitor's much more powerful car priced $30k more, then SMK will deem it a failure. (Yes I'm trolling SMK... it's my site... bite me)

The burn-off is generally quarterly.

 

Another feature of the CT6 is the ability to save the battery for later.    For example, if you know you're going to be sitting in traffic later,  you can activate that feature, drive along on the highway using gasoline, and then flip back into EV mode once you get into the city. 

 

I'm interested in what the shifts in this will feel like.  It won't be like a CVT, but it won't be like an auto-box either. 

Prime.. not to mention I'm betting good money that the range even on a cold day will be being reported as well into the 40s. 

37 mile range and 0-60 in 5.4 seconds is pretty good for an overall balance of fuel economy and acceleration/performance.  The price point is key.  It should be priced the same as the TT V6 car, so you trade a little acceleration but pick up the electric range.

As far as Tesla goes, they can't go after them with a plug in.  If it burns gas it doesn't really meet the emission free drying idea, and a Tesla has 13 moving parts or something crazy, there is hardly any maintenance on them.  Plus a Tesla Model S is quicker than a Corvette Z06 or Ferrari 488 GTB.  

 

The burn-off is generally quarterly.

 

Another feature of the CT6 is the ability to save the battery for later.    For example, if you know you're going to be sitting in traffic later,  you can activate that feature, drive along on the highway using gasoline, and then flip back into EV mode once you get into the city. 

 

I'm interested in what the shifts in this will feel like.  It won't be like a CVT, but it won't be like an auto-box either. 

 

 

Prime.. not to mention I'm betting good money that the range even on a cold day will be being reported as well into the 40s. 

 

Uh, no it won't.

Several reviewers of the Volt in cold climates Michigan, Toronto, and the state of Washington have reported closer to the low 40s of electric range when fully charged in cold weather.

So Question, being a lover of Cadillac and I do love the CT6, why would they not want to use the BOLT battery pack on this thing giving it the industry the current best Hybrid car out there? At this price point it would KICK Tesla Butt.

 

Imagen a CT6 with 225 mile range in pure electric mode and with the engine then give you another 3-400 miles. This would kick all luxury auto's around.

You're right.

But Cadillac didn't see the writing on the wall. They could have been right up there - with 200 miles of range in the CT6 or some other vehicle that fills that role.

Tesla Model S outsells the S-Class in America. It's going to come very close to the global sales of the S-Class soon as well.

I imagine though that Cadillac is worried about vehicles cannibalizing sales of their entrenched nameplates. But like their advertising is supposed to communicate - daring greatly is what moves the world forward.

The thing is, a company like GM doesn't even need to wait out this transition period. Like Porsche's Mission E, Omega should produce an all-electric vehicle only. But apparently the marketing head think's that's a dead approach. I hope he reconsiders.

The Model S outsold the CTS and XTS too.   But the Model S was the only Tesla on sale, and there isn't another pure EV in that segment either.  Once Tesla has 3-4 models to spread the sales around, and others start to sell pure EV luxury cars, we'll see if the Model S sales hold up.  

The Model S outsold the CTS and XTS too.   But the Model S was the only Tesla on sale, and there isn't another pure EV in that segment either.  Once Tesla has 3-4 models to spread the sales around, and others start to sell pure EV luxury cars, we'll see if the Model S sales hold up.  

I still just sneer how Tesla crops up everywhere now whenever any large luxury vehicle is talked about.

I mean, I don't want to pull out my Trump card...but everyone underestimated Trump, and now to dismiss him is ludicrous.

Tesla doesn't have to win. They've moved the world forward. You've got Porsche doing sacrilegious things. You've got Bentley, Rolls, committed to electric. You've got all America Cadillac heading there. The sheep will follow, and the chickens will roost.

That's what they wanted to - make the vehicle mainstream. Not a fad - it's going to happen. And the Bloomberg article, about the glut of incoming oil is correct. We're going to see internal combustion engines fighting for their life to remain relevant. Even in performance realms. 

 

 

The burn-off is generally quarterly.

 

Another feature of the CT6 is the ability to save the battery for later.    For example, if you know you're going to be sitting in traffic later,  you can activate that feature, drive along on the highway using gasoline, and then flip back into EV mode once you get into the city. 

 

I'm interested in what the shifts in this will feel like.  It won't be like a CVT, but it won't be like an auto-box either. 

 

 

Prime.. not to mention I'm betting good money that the range even on a cold day will be being reported as well into the 40s. 

 

 

Uh, no it won't.

 

Several reviewers of the Volt in cold climates Michigan, Toronto, and the state of Washington have reported closer to the low 40s of electric range when fully charged in cold weather.

 

Difference is that I'm an optimist.. f@#k the reviewers. I'm talking about real people who actually own the cars. I don't kno if U have picked up on that about yet. I very seldom go strictly by what reviewers come up with.. normally relying on real world stats over biased ones. Furthermore I would love to see a review.. just for kicks that states that the 2016 Volt dropped from 53 to 40s in cold weather

 

Difference is that I'm an optimist.. f@#k the reviewers. I'm talking about real people who actually own the cars. I don't kno if U have picked up on that about yet. I very seldom go strictly by what reviewers come up with.. normally relying on real world stats over biased ones. Furthermore I would love to see a review.. just for kicks that states that the 2016 Volt dropped from 53 to 40s in cold weather

 

You can swear all you like. ask and you shall receive.

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Yup. And that's not even cold weather. 30 degrees. Yeah. 

or how about what Volt owners have to say.

http://www.mychevroletvolt.com/chevyvoltowner/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=304&p=1061&hilit=cold#p1061

I don't usually post proof when stuff is in the common domain, and a simple google search away.

Anyways, the deets, 2016 Volt, guy lives in Maine, gets 35-40 miles range.

 

 

Difference is that I'm an optimist.. f@#k the reviewers. I'm talking about real people who actually own the cars. I don't kno if U have picked up on that about yet. I very seldom go strictly by what reviewers come up with.. normally relying on real world stats over biased ones. Furthermore I would love to see a review.. just for kicks that states that the 2016 Volt dropped from 53 to 40s in cold weather

 

 

 

You can swear all you like. ask and you shall receive.

 

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Yup. And that's not even cold weather. 30 degrees. Yeah. 

 

 

Thanks for doing the work. U are good for something I see. The bottom line is that the CT6 is not using the same battery so U don't kno jack $h! until they actually do the test. Lastly.. I don't kno where U come from.. and seriously don't care.. so don't tell.. , but 30 degrees is cold in my neck of the woods.

With or without Tesla, electric cars would eventually replace gasoline.  It may not happen in the next 10 years, but it will some day.  Once a 300-400 mile range electric sedan with solid acceleration is on sale for $25,000, then the gasoline engine is in trouble.   One day battery technology will be cheap enough for a Bolt to be priced like a Chevy Sonic, or for a Nissan Leaf to be priced like a Sentra.  This is probably the same time when a Camry becomes a pure EV and it still costs the same as it does now, and they'll still sell 400,000 of them a year.  Might take 20-30 years, but it will happen.

With or without Tesla, electric cars would eventually replace gasoline.  It may not happen in the next 10 years, but it will some day.  Once a 300-400 mile range electric sedan with solid acceleration is on sale for $25,000, then the gasoline engine is in trouble.   One day battery technology will be cheap enough for a Bolt to be priced like a Chevy Sonic, or for a Nissan Leaf to be priced like a Sentra.  This is probably the same time when a Camry becomes a pure EV and it still costs the same as it does now, and they'll still sell 400,000 of them a year.  Might take 20-30 years, but it will happen.

I agree. What also needs to happen is a more plentiful, efficient, and quicker charging infrastructure put in the exact same places and convenient locations as a run-of-the-mill gasoline station is now

People can charge at home.  The only place you really need the charging stations is on turnpikes, interstate rest stops, and the sort of places that are along long haul driving routes that aren't near a city.   The people that are afraid of electric cars act like there aren't electric outlets all over the place.   I don't see people freaking out needed a gas powered battery extender for their phones.  They just plug it in and charge it at night and use it all day, and charge it the next night.  If you travel on vacation for a week, you take your charger with you.  The car will be no different.

 

 

 

Difference is that I'm an optimist.. f@#k the reviewers. I'm talking about real people who actually own the cars. I don't kno if U have picked up on that about yet. I very seldom go strictly by what reviewers come up with.. normally relying on real world stats over biased ones. Furthermore I would love to see a review.. just for kicks that states that the 2016 Volt dropped from 53 to 40s in cold weather

 

 

 

You can swear all you like. ask and you shall receive.

 

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Yup. And that's not even cold weather. 30 degrees. Yeah. 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for doing the work. U are good for something I see. The bottom line is that the CT6 is not using the same battery so U don't kno jack $h! until they actually do the test. Lastly.. I don't kno where U come from.. and seriously don't care.. so don't tell.. , but 30 degrees is cold in my neck of the woods.

 

No no no. Excuse me, to quote you would be to stoop to your level. 

Mr. Dowdell, who happens to be rocket scientist answered your remark for you even before you mentioned range. Find it in this thread,

And I don't care what you think - but crying that 30 degrees is cold is nonsensical. 

More like -30 Farenheit. That's cold. And you're going to get maybe 25 miles of range. Heck in a Tesla you'd be lucky to get 125 miles. It's batteries - it's how they work. Sheesh.

30 degrees Fahrenheit is cold, Casa?

Shhhhhhh.

Dont tell anybody, but you might be a wussy boy!

 

 

 

 

Difference is that I'm an optimist.. f@#k the reviewers. I'm talking about real people who actually own the cars. I don't kno if U have picked up on that about yet. I very seldom go strictly by what reviewers come up with.. normally relying on real world stats over biased ones. Furthermore I would love to see a review.. just for kicks that states that the 2016 Volt dropped from 53 to 40s in cold weather

 

 

 

You can swear all you like. ask and you shall receive.

 

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Yup. And that's not even cold weather. 30 degrees. Yeah. 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for doing the work. U are good for something I see. The bottom line is that the CT6 is not using the same battery so U don't kno jack $h! until they actually do the test. Lastly.. I don't kno where U come from.. and seriously don't care.. so don't tell.. , but 30 degrees is cold in my neck of the woods.

 

 

 

No no no. Excuse me, to quote you would be to stoop to your level. 

 

Mr. Dowdell, who happens to be rocket scientist answered your remark for you even before you mentioned range. Find it in this thread,

 

And I don't care what you think - but crying that 30 degrees is cold is nonsensical. 

 

More like -30 Farenheit. That's cold. And you're going to get maybe 25 miles of range. Heck in a Tesla you'd be lucky to get 125 miles. It's batteries - it's how they work. Sheesh.

 

Coupla things I could address.. such as U not quoting me.. then did.. but why bother. I kno how the batteries work. I realize that the norm would be that the 37 mile range would go down in the extreme cold.. but it seems to me that we are at an impasse as to what is cold. Not only that.. my comment was more pertaining to the fact that GM has lately been conservative in their range numbers. Call me an optimist.. and U a constant doggie downer, but I will still wait and see what the CT6 PHEV does before making a definitive statement

People can charge at home.  The only place you really need the charging stations is on turnpikes, interstate rest stops, and the sort of places that are along long haul driving routes that aren't near a city.   The people that are afraid of electric cars act like there aren't electric outlets all over the place.   I don't see people freaking out needed a gas powered battery extender for their phones.  They just plug it in and charge it at night and use it all day, and charge it the next night.  If you travel on vacation for a week, you take your charger with you.  The car will be no different.

I honestly don't know but I doubt you can just park next to any random building and just plug your car into their outlet. I know if I was the business owner I wouldn't allow that unless they were buying products or services. So yes, there are outlets EVERYWHERE but you can't just use one owned by somebody else.

 

 

 

 

Difference is that I'm an optimist.. f@#k the reviewers. I'm talking about real people who actually own the cars. I don't kno if U have picked up on that about yet. I very seldom go strictly by what reviewers come up with.. normally relying on real world stats over biased ones. Furthermore I would love to see a review.. just for kicks that states that the 2016 Volt dropped from 53 to 40s in cold weather

 

 

 

You can swear all you like. ask and you shall receive.

 

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Yup. And that's not even cold weather. 30 degrees. Yeah. 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for doing the work. U are good for something I see. The bottom line is that the CT6 is not using the same battery so U don't kno jack $h! until they actually do the test. Lastly.. I don't kno where U come from.. and seriously don't care.. so don't tell.. , but 30 degrees is cold in my neck of the woods.

 

 

 

No no no. Excuse me, to quote you would be to stoop to your level. 

 

Mr. Dowdell, who happens to be rocket scientist answered your remark for you even before you mentioned range. Find it in this thread,

 

And I don't care what you think - but crying that 30 degrees is cold is nonsensical. 

 

More like -30 Farenheit. That's cold. And you're going to get maybe 25 miles of range. Heck in a Tesla you'd be lucky to get 125 miles. It's batteries - it's how they work. Sheesh.

 

It's true... batteries just don't function the same in the cold. That's yet another thing that hold me up from seriously considering an EV yet. If my range is nearly cut in half of 200 miles.. ouch. And we'd be talking at least 1/4 of the year maybe more. Nov-Mar most likely. Not solidly through those months as there'd be warm days but in general. 

37 mile range and 0-60 in 5.4 seconds is pretty good for an overall balance of fuel economy and acceleration/performance.  The price point is key.  It should be priced the same as the TT V6 car, so you trade a little acceleration but pick up the electric range.

 

As far as Tesla goes, they can't go after them with a plug in.  If it burns gas it doesn't really meet the emission free drying idea, and a Tesla has 13 moving parts or something crazy, there is hardly any maintenance on them.  Plus a Tesla Model S is quicker than a Corvette Z06 or Ferrari 488 GTB.  

There is far more moving parts than 13 on a Tesla, Maybe 13 moving points on a single wheel due to the suspension, breaks, spindle, etc. but for sure more than 13 moving parts on their cars.

According to the Tesla web site you can pay the following:

Its $600 annual service and update program, Teslas technicians will inspect the cooling systems for the battery pack, drive motor, and power electronics to ensure that everything's in good working order yearly.

Yeah.

You know what I've learned? We don't need stupid people - with stupid nonsense. Somehow GM has access to miracle battery chemistry. Damn well I better hope that the Volt has it - it's their flagship eco-vehicle at this moment,

So when the CT6 gets terrible EV range like all electric plug-ins in real winter weather, there will be no skin of my nose!

Like I said before, General Morons... they do exist. Yeessh.

Yeah.

 

You know what I've learned? We don't need stupid people - with stupid nonsense. Somehow GM has access to miracle battery chemistry. Damn well I better hope that the Volt has it - it's their flagship eco-vehicle at this moment,

 

So when the CT6 gets terrible EV range like all electric plug-ins in real winter weather, there will be no skin of my nose!

 

Like I said before, General Morons... they do exist. Yeessh.

Lol at this clown calling me a moron. Solvent.. Or whatever U call yourself.. U kno where U can go.. What U can do... And who U can do it with when U get there.

You don't like it when your own style is dished out against you?

General morons. What can I say?

You don't like it when your own style is dished out against you?

 

General morons. What can I say?

Dude U are claiming victory and superior intellect over me saying that the CT6 may be able to get better than GM claimed 37 miles "even in cold." Then U go so far as to get specific as to how cold it has to be. Its irrelevant til U see what they vehicle actually gets. And what's it matter anyway to U? U aren't buying one or anything in its price range so move the hell on.

 

 

 

Difference is that I'm an optimist.. f@#k the reviewers. I'm talking about real people who actually own the cars. I don't kno if U have picked up on that about yet. I very seldom go strictly by what reviewers come up with.. normally relying on real world stats over biased ones. Furthermore I would love to see a review.. just for kicks that states that the 2016 Volt dropped from 53 to 40s in cold weather

 

 

 

You can swear all you like. ask and you shall receive.

 

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Yup. And that's not even cold weather. 30 degrees. Yeah. 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for doing the work. U are good for something I see. The bottom line is that the CT6 is not using the same battery so U don't kno jack $h! until they actually do the test. Lastly.. I don't kno where U come from.. and seriously don't care.. so don't tell.. , but 30 degrees is cold in my neck of the woods.

 

Sorry, but you're wrong here.  The CT6 battery is the same tech as in the Volt and the same kWh... just a different shape set of cells. 

 

You don't like it when your own style is dished out against you?

 

General morons. What can I say?

 

Dude U are claiming victory and superior intellect over me saying that the CT6 may be able to get better than GM claimed 37 miles "even in cold." Then U go so far as to get specific as to how cold it has to be. Its irrelevant til U see what they vehicle actually gets. And what's it matter anyway to U? U aren't buying one or anything in its price range so move the hell on.

 

But every electric vehicle ever had gotten a decent amount less miles "per tank" than in the summer or warmer months.  

https://transportevolved.com/2013/12/17/whats-the-real-impact-of-cold-weather-on-ev-range-this-chart-shows-you/

It's genuinely a pretty interesting read. 

 

 

 

 

Difference is that I'm an optimist.. f@#k the reviewers. I'm talking about real people who actually own the cars. I don't kno if U have picked up on that about yet. I very seldom go strictly by what reviewers come up with.. normally relying on real world stats over biased ones. Furthermore I would love to see a review.. just for kicks that states that the 2016 Volt dropped from 53 to 40s in cold weather

 

 

 

You can swear all you like. ask and you shall receive.

 

Skip to mark 2:45.

 

Yup. And that's not even cold weather. 30 degrees. Yeah. 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for doing the work. U are good for something I see. The bottom line is that the CT6 is not using the same battery so U don't kno jack $h! until they actually do the test. Lastly.. I don't kno where U come from.. and seriously don't care.. so don't tell.. , but 30 degrees is cold in my neck of the woods.

 

 

Sorry, but you're wrong here.  The CT6 battery is the same tech as in the Volt and the same kWh... just a different shape set of cells. 

 

Thanks for the correction.. but it still doesn't kill the possibility that some where.. some how.. some one might not get more than 40 miles on a charge in 30 degree weather. Again.. I'm an optimist

Proving people wrong left and right. 

Lemme pull a quote now from someone else. Actually two people. 

And I were to extrapolate what these two folks actually meant:

Blind optimism might as well be stupidity. Man I'm going to rub as much salt as possible. People with attitude. Drop'em like its hot.

I'll remember this - when the Cadillac CT6 plug-in - which I hope fails to sell as well. I hope it fails miserably. Because no one, no one should buy a flagship Cadillac made in China.

It's just not right. It's a half-assed way to rebuild a reputation. I'm okay with Buick doing it. But Cadillac. nah. They're supposed to be the standard of the world, an American standard at that.

Hell I'd kill an S-Class made in India with fire. I would bring back Cadillac - the right way. Anyways.

That fun moment when someone says "you don't know what you're talking about!" and you provide hard evidence that you actually do.

I would expect the CT6 to get the range they publish on a 70 degree day and less as the temperature varies further from that center point.

Keep in mind that as temperatures move to the opposite extremes, the HVAC system has to run to compensate, and that costs miles of range. It doesn't matter if it is a Cadillac, Chevy, Tesla, or Benz.....Dems da facts.

Interesting is all the projects ARPA is overseeing that is researching into the whole RANGE issue for batteries:

http://www.arpa-e.energy.gov/?q=programs/range

Interesting is that Chevy is considered one of the best systems out there.

http://www.arpa-e.energy.gov/?q=arpa-e-programs/range

To quote from this article:

I have to say when you look at all the programs that the colleges and auto companies are involved in here, I expect us to see great things over the next 5 years in EV auto's.

 

Proving people wrong left and right. 

 

Lemme pull a quote now from someone else. Actually two people. 

 

And I were to extrapolate what these two folks actually meant:

 

Blind optimism might as well be stupidity. Man I'm going to rub as much salt as possible. People with attitude. Drop'em like its hot.

 

I'll remember this - when the Cadillac CT6 plug-in - which I hope fails to sell as well. I hope it fails miserably. Because no one, no one should buy a flagship Cadillac made in China.

 

It's just not right. It's a half-assed way to rebuild a reputation. I'm okay with Buick doing it. But Cadillac. nah. They're supposed to be the standard of the world, an American standard at that.

 

Hell I'd kill an S-Class made in India with fire. I would bring back Cadillac - the right way. Anyways.

 

That fun moment when someone says "you don't know what you're talking about!" and you provide hard evidence that you actually do.

 

^ That moment is even better if you can work out placing your foot on their neck while you school them.

 

Thing is... U didn't prove me wrong at $h!. I didn't say the car would definitely get more than 40 miles on a charge.. I said that it might. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. My day will continue on like any other. 

But I tell U what.. take your internet victory...     and post that $h! on your wall of achievements. 

This one's for U mon ami

I would expect the CT6 to get the range they publish on a 70 degree day and less as the temperature varies further from that center point.

Keep in mind that as temperatures move to the opposite extremes, the HVAC system has to run to compensate, and that costs miles of range. It doesn't matter if it is a Cadillac, Chevy, Tesla, or Benz.....Dems da facts.

Thanks for the da facts. Again.. the EV range I quoted was not a definitive answer.. and apparently not an accurate one.. 

I was wondering where my post quote was going.

I'm not really going to get into the minutae of this thread, mostly because as far as I'm concerned GM has shown that it has its act together with hybrids and EVs moreso than anyone else. The Volt and the Bolt are the most obvious examples of this capability for a mainstream audience, but the CT6 PHEV is a more-than-adequate demonstration of their capabilities as well.

You don't like it when your own style is dished out against you?

General morons. What can I say?

But that's none of my business

The Model S outsold the CTS and XTS too.   But the Model S was the only Tesla on sale, and there isn't another pure EV in that segment either.  Once Tesla has 3-4 models to spread the sales around, and others start to sell pure EV luxury cars, we'll see if the Model S sales hold up.  

Well, as long as you have yet another excuse for Mercedes. 

 

People can charge at home.  The only place you really need the charging stations is on turnpikes, interstate rest stops, and the sort of places that are along long haul driving routes that aren't near a city.   The people that are afraid of electric cars act like there aren't electric outlets all over the place.   I don't see people freaking out needed a gas powered battery extender for their phones.  They just plug it in and charge it at night and use it all day, and charge it the next night.  If you travel on vacation for a week, you take your charger with you.  The car will be no different.

I honestly don't know but I doubt you can just park next to any random building and just plug your car into their outlet. I know if I was the business owner I wouldn't allow that unless they were buying products or services. So yes, there are outlets EVERYWHERE but you can't just use one owned by somebody else.

 

More and more places (like here in the Phoenix area) have charging stations set up there (mostly large shopping areas and shopping centers, which makes sense). Folks are shopping there anyway, and it makes for a nice incentive for a EV driver to shop in those places. Great marketing if you ask me. More of that is coming too.

Good lord people. Did everyone just have a big ole bag of bitchy flakes the other day?

 

The Model S outsold the CTS and XTS too.   But the Model S was the only Tesla on sale, and there isn't another pure EV in that segment either.  Once Tesla has 3-4 models to spread the sales around, and others start to sell pure EV luxury cars, we'll see if the Model S sales hold up.  

Well, as long as you have yet another excuse for Mercedes. 

 

It isn't an excuse, Tesla sold 25,000 Model S in the USA in 2015.  That is a good number for a $100,000 car, but there aren't any other pure EVs anywhere near that price range, and Tesla as a company had one model.  The the Leaf was the only $30,000 EV and the Volt, i3 and Ford EVs didn't exist, Leaf sales would triple.   

People like to say how the Model S outsells the S-class, that means it outsells many other cars too.  The Model S outsells the XJ, A8, 7-series and Quattroporte combined.  The big difference is the Model S doesn't make any profit, the S-class does.

 

 

The Model S outsold the CTS and XTS too.   But the Model S was the only Tesla on sale, and there isn't another pure EV in that segment either.  Once Tesla has 3-4 models to spread the sales around, and others start to sell pure EV luxury cars, we'll see if the Model S sales hold up.  

Well, as long as you have yet another excuse for Mercedes. 

 

It isn't an excuse, Tesla sold 25,000 Model S in the USA in 2015.  That is a good number for a $100,000 car, but there aren't any other pure EVs anywhere near that price range, and Tesla as a company had one model.  The the Leaf was the only $30,000 EV and the Volt, i3 and Ford EVs didn't exist, Leaf sales would triple.   

 

People like to say how the Model S outsells the S-class, that means it outsells many other cars too.  The Model S outsells the XJ, A8, 7-series and Quattroporte combined.  The big difference is the Model S doesn't make any profit, the S-class does.

 

Wrong perception...

The Model S is profitable.

Tesla the company is losing money.

Why is Tesla losing money?

Lets see...

Electric charger infrastructure across North America paid for fully by Tesla, without any or little help from governments and/or other investors, partners and/or sponsors.

Electricity costs for recharging paid for in full by Tesla with little help by governments with no charge to Tesla car owners.

Mega battery factory costing a fortune to build.

Not to mention that Tesla also needs (needed) R&D cash for the Model X and Model 3 and maybe future models...

Tesla is investing in the future of electric cars making sure the electric car succeeds with no burden to the Tesla electric car customer...other than non-EV car owners/haters whining about charge times, range anxiety and lack of charge station infrastructure, and they are doing it  by themselves to try to minimize the whining and to better the experience while trying to ensure the future success and longevity of electric cars...

(some people want to even downplay the cancer curing praising...the thing is...Tesla the company, may not be curing cancer, but they sure as hell are building North America's battery powered cars and infrastructure almost by themselves...that almost equates to curing cancer....because the undertaking to build all that infrastructure is almost as tedious and expensive as to find a cure for cancer...especially when there are plenty of naysayers and haters trying to stop Tesla from competing...)

Sure one could say that the US government gave millions to Tesla...but that money was used to break ground in the mega factory...

That money is easily traceable where that money went...and I did say that little help was made by governments...it takes billions to build an infrastructure. TIME and billions.

How many billions did it take to build the gasoline stations and infrastructure we have?

How long did it take to get it where we are today?

 100 plus years is the answer and we continue to invest money and improve the infrastructure...

 The electric infrastructure is barely 10 years old in comparison...

And how many players were involved to help build the oil industry?

Puppet governments and wars were made to build the oil industry...

Winston Churchill once boasted that from a stroke of his pen one Sunday afternoon Jordan was created...

Tesla and Musk NOT curing cancer?

Yeah...good one...

I could easily see why some praise Musk and the Tesla Model S the way they do...

I for the life of me, dont understand  the hating though...

I understand in coal burning country that EVs are pretty much useless.

Ditto for oil producing States and Provinces...hence Ill accept the hatred in that part of the continent...but that is as far as Ill accept it...the useless part of electric cars in those parts of the continent...but I still dont comprehend the hatred part...

I am a fan of Tesla, I like the product.  But they don't make money as a company, and they are the only game in town.  So what happens when 10 others enter the electric car space?  I think one day EV's could put an end to gas powered cars, but it will take years, maybe decades for the batteries to get to where you can have 300-400 mile range and 0-60 of 7.5 seconds in a $25,000 car.  The EV has to cost the same or less than the gasoline counterpart to take over.  Eventually it will, but not today, and if Tesla don't start turning a profit they won't be around in 2030 when it does happen.

I did not mean to make my rant sound like you are anti-Tesla.

Im sorry for that.

I did want to correct you on that misconception that the Model S is not profitable.

The Model S has some of the better profit margins of any car in that price range.

But, Tesla as of 2016, is still a start-up company.

By 2030, Tesla will no longer be a start-up company.

If they make it until then...

But, like any other business, and you alluded to it, any business for it to survive needs to sell its products...

SELL  SELL SELL

GM with Cadillac, Ford with Lincoln, FCA with just about all their brands minus Ram and Jeep, Honda with Acura, Hyundai with Genesis also face the same dilemmas and problems and situations as Tesla for that same time span which is 2030...

Lincoln needs to put more asses in their seats, as does Cadillac and Acura and Genesis.

And Genesis quite frankly, looks like they have the advantage over all of them...

So...its a moot point to just look at Tesla with question marks for their future...

Besides...the Model X is about to go on sale and already its a success with pre-orders...

Tesla has got the momentum...

Sure...its up to them to continue that going forward up until 2030 and beyond...

Its true that only the strongest shall survive especially with all that competition...

But that is just words of wisdom...the future has not been written yet...

Who is to say that Porsche is NOT gonna falter with their EV and fail miserably leaving Tesla with even more mojo???!!!

You see, this is an argument of "what ifs"...

These types of arguments suck big time!!!

Lets not get into that type of argument.

^ That's not how profitability is calculated. You cannot take fixed costs out of a product's revenue and call it 'profitable excluding all the costs'. 
I mean; you can, but that's not legitimate from an accounting perspective.

And Tesla is no longer a 'start up' - the entity has been in existance for 13 years now. In auto industry terms, that's around 4 generations of a model line.

Tesla is doing some things VERY right : buzz, exposure, image, acceptance in high-priced tiers, and volume.  

Those things alone obviously do not guarantee business success. Time will tell.

The Model S outsold the CTS and XTS too.   But the Model S was the only Tesla on sale, and there isn't another pure EV in that segment either.  Once Tesla has 3-4 models to spread the sales around, and others start to sell pure EV luxury cars, we'll see if the Model S sales hold up.  

Tesla has the EV luxury brand image pretty sewn up for now....will buyers care if Audi, BMW, Cadillac or M-B come out with a luxury EV in the next 5 years?  Or will they be perceived as followers rather than leaders?

^ I don't put any weight in the 'follower/leader' concept. This may have significance to 0.001% of consumers; who cares.
Especially when it's so selectively applied. IE: we never hear that expressed -for example- when car-only makers like Porsche or Bentley bring out a hulking, expensive SUV.

Tesla doesn't & cannot 'own' the EV concept. Tesla Model S does not sell for the singular reason it has electric propulsion.