New York Auto Show: Toyota Hybrid-izes the RAV4

@surreal1272 You are right that style is personal, but if you look at the full picture, a 400V slow ID-Buzz versus 800V versatile van, Kia is winning here imho. I get the VW history But this is very appealing as a lifestyle Van also plus the superior tech.

So this is the presentation from last year at CES:  CES 2024 | Kia Global Brand Site | Movement that inspires Official Global site for the PVB: Kia PBV lineup | Kia Global Brand Site | Movement that inspires Then as SEMA they showed off the rugged offroad version which I covered here:   

I have already been to Kia's website and understand its versatility. It will also, again, never make it here as a consumer level van if at all. Even if ti does, half of those "features" will disappear for the U.S., like how your Kia honest have the near 360 captains chairs in the 2nd row like they do in overseas markets. Lastly, you said it looks cooler, and while looks are truly subjective, I could poll 100 people and count on less the number of fingers on one hand and that would be the number folks would say the Kia looks better than the VW. That thing is hideous on the outside.

They want to replace them with resource units that swear loyalty to the orange sh*tgibbon.  They want mindless red hat zombies.

Economist have reviewed how a 25% tariff against signed trading partners in North America will affect us and this is based on a family of 4, average increase in food costs of $185 per month. Example is that the U.S. has moved to importing fruit year round and in many cases the rare fruit is not available any other place but outside the U.S. and they also pointed to America's love of Avocado's and Guacamole, which is 90% brought in from Mexico with only 10% produced here during our summer season. Then they point to the fact that the bulk of timber comes in from Canada, so building will have a 25% jump in costs. This just screams stupid. National security adviser Mike Waltz sends home dozens of NSC officials Why would you send home those that know the best on places that hate America and possibly replace them with Yes men that are clueless about the state of the world. Just Stupid on a Major Level.  This anyone could see happening, the board of Tesla better start thinking about finding a new CEO/Chairman if they want to survive. Elon Musk Getting More and More Unpopular, Now Disliked By Majority of Americans: WSJ Poll