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    New York 2018: 2019 Cadillac XT4 Kicks Off A Product Renaissance

      Finally a new product from Cadillac!


    The 2019 Cadillac XT4 is an important vehicle for the brand for a number of reasons. It's the first vehicle part of a major product offensive by Cadillac that will see them introduce a new/redesigned model almost every six months through 2021. It also gives Cadillac a contender in the growing small luxury crossover class.

    The overall design of the XT4 is very similar to the larger XT5 with sharp angles, large front grille, headlights that extend downward to the bumper, and taillights that run from the top of the tailgate to underneath the window. 18-inch wheels come standard, while larger 20-inch wheels are optional. The overall dimensions of the XT4 - 181.1-inch overall length, 109.4-inch wheelbase, 74.1-inches wide, and 64.1-inches tall - puts it between subcompact and compact crossovers.

    Inside, Cadillac went for a modern and clean look. An 8-inch touchscreen housing the Cadillac User Experience infotainment system is standard on XT4s. Like the CT6 refresh, the XT4 will have a rotary control knob to control the system. Cargo space measures out 22.5 cubic feet with the rear seats up and 48.9 cubic feet when folded.

    Powering all XT4s will be a turbocharged 2.0L four-cylinder with 237 horsepower and 258 pound-feet of torque. This will come paired with a nine-speed automatic and the choice of front or all-wheel drive. Cadillac estimates fuel economy figures of 25 City/30 Highway/27 Combined - we're assuming the numbers are for the front-wheel drive model.

    The suspension is comprised of a front strut and five-link rear setup. Sport models get the option of a Continuous Damping Control system that automatically adjusts the firmness based on a number of parameters.

    Pricing for the 2019 XT4 kicks off at $35,790 when it arrives at dealers this fall. Those interested can order an XT4 beginning at the end of this month.

    Source: Cadillac 
    Press Release is on Page 2


    Cadillac Introduces First-Ever XT4

    • All-new compact SUV delivers more for a new generation of luxury buyers

    At Cadillac House in Manhattan today, Cadillac unveiled the first-ever XT4, an all-new compact SUV tailored for the next generation of luxury customers.

    Developed on an exclusive compact SUV architecture, Cadillac’s entry in the industry’s fastest-growing luxury segment delivers expressive design, confident performance, spacious accommodations and new technologies.

    “The first-ever 2019 Cadillac XT4 expands our successful SUV lineup to a segment where Cadillac has never been before,” said Cadillac President Johan de Nysschen. “And it sets off a dramatic expansion and elevation of the product range, that will see a new Cadillac virtually once every six months through 2021.”

    Simple and sculpted lines draw the customer in and accentuate the XT4’s powerful proportions and aggressive presence. The interior is the Cadillac design aesthetic distilled: the thoughtful and artistic integration of technology and appealing style. The cabin is exceptionally refined, with expected segment-leading rear-seat spaciousness.

    All models are driven by an all-new Cadillac 2.0L Turbo engine that features new efficiency-enhancing technologies including Active Fuel Management (cylinder deactivation), coupled with a nine-speed automatic transmission with next-generation Electronic Precision Shift.

    Cadillac also debuts its new global “Y” trim strategy on the XT4. Distinctive Premium Luxury and Sport models build from the well-equipped Luxury (base) trim. Specific content and styling cues tailor the Premium Luxury and Sport trims to different customer tastes and preferences.

    Cadillac will roll out this new trim strategy beginning with the XT4 and the 2019 CT6 top-of-range sedan.

    The XT4 will be priced starting at $35,790 including destination charge, excluding tax, title, license, dealer fees and optional equipment, when it goes on sale in fall 2018. Starting at the end of March 2018, customers will be able to preorder their XT4s from participating U.S. Cadillac dealers nationwide.

    Additional XT4 highlights include:

    • Cadillac user experience with all-new rotary controller
    • Smart chassis features including available twin-clutch, decoupling all-wheel drive
    • Available Active Sport Suspension featuring Continuous Damping Control and new electro-hydraulic braking assist

    STYLE WITH SUBSTANCE
    A team of young designers representing the heart of the XT4’s target customer demographic helmed the design, penning an expressive SUV that injects a higher degree of sculpture into Cadillac’s lineup — and today’s vehicle is very close to their original visions for the exterior and interior.

    “The XT4 has a great presence that is confident and poised,” said Therese Pinazzo, exterior design manager. “It exudes Cadillac’s DNA, but with a new boldness that speaks to the youthfulness of its team and its customers.”

    In keeping with Cadillac’s new “Y” trim strategy, the Luxury, Premium Luxury and Sport models offer distinctive styling cues and trim finishes to create unique personas and greater choice for customers. XT4 Sport models feature a gloss black mesh grille inspired by Cadillac’s high-performance V-Series models, gloss black window moldings and specific Sport alloy wheel choices. Luxury and Premium Luxury models feature grilles with bright metallic accents, satin aluminum window moldings and satin chrome-accented door handles.

    All models feature advanced LED lighting technology front and rear, with front LED low and high beams and an LED-illuminated light blade for the daytime running lamps. Cadillac’s vertical L-shaped lighting signature is stretched horizontally, emphasizing the XT4’s width and confident stance.

    Standard LED taillights are housed in traditional red lenses on Luxury and Premium Luxury, while the Sport model receives tinted neutral-density (clear) lenses that complement the generally darker exterior color choices.

    Eight exterior colors will be offered on the 2019 XT4 at launch: Atlantic Metallic, Autumn Metallic, Crystal White Tricoat, Twilight Blue Metallic, Shadow Metallic, Red Horizon Tintcoat, Stellar Black Metallic and Radiant Silver Metallic.

    BOLD, REFINED AND SPACIOUS CABIN
    Echoing the exterior design themes, the new XT4’s cabin conveys boldness and strength with youthful athleticism. Sweeping arcs and tapered lines enhance the feeling of spaciousness and give it a taut, tightly wrapped appearance.

    The interior elements come together in a sophisticated and modern design. Intuitive technology includes available next-generation wireless device charging and an in-cabin air ionizer.

    “With the XT4’s interior, we distilled Cadillac to its essence,” said Phillip Kucera, Interior Design manager. “We’ve been able to be simpler and bolder than we have ever been before, giving the SUV attitude and a sporty connotation.”

    The all-new XT4 offers exceptional space for a compact luxury SUV, particularly for rear-seat passengers. It is expected to lead the segment in rear-seat roominess, with 39.5 inches (1,004 mm) of legroom. The XT4 also offers 48.9 cubic feet (1,385 liters) of maximum cargo volume with the rear seat folded.

    "The XT4 was envisioned holistically to deliver a dynamic sporty exterior without compromising comfort and functionality for passengers,” said Cadillac Exterior Design Director Jim Fleming, who helped create the vehicle’s architecture.

    “It’s a great balance that delivers style and comfort on long drives such as a weekend getaway to a favorite ski slope, while still offering excellent cargo room for that ski trip’s gear.”

    Additional interior features and highlights include:

    • The thick, three-spoke, leather-wrapped steering wheel is all new and was developed to enhance the sporty feel of the vehicle while maintaining driver comfort on long drives.
    • Sport-inspired seating with prominent seat-bottom and seatback bolsters balances comfort with the kind of support typically found in sports sedans. A massage feature is available.
    • Available white ambient lighting casts a sophisticated glow and highlights important features.
    • Technology integration includes Cadillac’s first rotary controller for the Cadillac user experience and other vehicle features (see below for more information), along with streamlined vehicle controls for easier, more intuitive use.

    At launch, the 2019 XT4 will be offered in seven interior environments, based on Luxury, Premium Luxury or Sport trims:

    • XT4 Luxury — Light Platinum/Jet Black with Aluminum Metallized decor trim
    • XT4 Premium Luxury — Jet Black with Diamond-Cut Aluminum, Light Platinum/Jet Black with Linear Galaxy High-Gloss Wood, Sedona/Jet Black with Fineline Calico High-Gloss Wood
    • XT4 Sport — Jet Black with Cinnamon Accents with Twenty-Two High-Gloss Carbon Fiber, Light Wheat/Jet Black with Red Accents and Morello Red High-Gloss Carbon Fiber, Sedona/Jet Black with Fineline Calico High-Gloss Wood

    INTUITIVE TECHNOLOGIES 
    Led by the latest Cadillac user experience, the brand’s most advanced infotainment interface, the XT4 offers a connected environment.

    The Cadillac user experience is a dynamic platform that offers a smartphone-like experience with an intuitive interface, faster response and improved voice recognition that can be updated over time to meet a customer’s evolving connectivity needs. It leverages the cloud and available embedded 4G LTE connection to enable personalization, available connected navigation and news, marketplace and entertainment applications via the app store and a new rotary controller that offers users alternative ways to interact with the system.

    The new controller includes volume and seek forward/back controls for the audio system; shortcut buttons for fast access to the most frequently used apps such as Audio, Phone, Navigation (if available) and Home; and a large center dial to operate primary features of the most frequently used apps, scroll menus and lists and select other apps to be displayed.

    Additional XT4 technologies include:

    • The 8-inch diagonal Cadillac user experience interface screen has 768p HD resolution
    • Near-Field Communication, a Cadillac-first integration, greatly improves the process of pairing a phone (if compatible) with Cadillac user experience.
    • Next-generation, 15-watt wireless charging is available and offers faster charging timesi .
    • There are four standard USB Ports and three 12-volt accessory power outletsii. Models equipped with the available navigation radio also receive an SD memory card reader in the center console.
    • The full suite of active safety features includes Surround Vision and second-generation Rear Camera Mirror (available)iii.

    XT4 DRIVING DYNAMICS
    The new Cadillac XT4’s confident, athletic appearance is complemented by great agility. It is characteristically Cadillac in refinement and responsiveness, but with a youthful edginess derived from the brand’s critically acclaimed sports sedans.

    It starts with an all-new Cadillac 2.0L Turbo engine. This advanced, power-dense inline-four-cylinder — 118.5 hp per liter — features an industry-first tripower system. The system is designed to optimize performance and efficiency by having three distinct operating modes, including high and low valve lift and Active Fuel Management (cylinder deactivation).

    The engine also features a twin-scroll turbocharger to enhance torque production at lower speeds, as well as direct injection, active thermal management and stop/start technologies. Output is SAE-certified at 237 hp (177 kW) and 258 lb-ft of torque (350 Nm). A nearly flat torque curve gives the XT4 surprising responsiveness throughout the engine’s RPM range.

    A nine-speed automatic transmission is paired with the new engine, helping the XT4 achieve a Cadillac-estimated 30 mpg in highway drivingiv. The vehicle also features the next generation of electronic precision shift, which features an intuitive shifting sequence.

    When it comes to channeling the XT4’s power to the pavement, a strut-type front suspension and five-link independent rear suspension are tuned to balance refinement with responsiveness. The standard Driver Select Mode allows that tuning to be adjusted on demand for different driving styles and road conditions.

    A twin-clutch all-wheel-drive system is available and offers the convenience of decoupling entirely from the rear wheels when the driver chooses, eliminating drivetrain friction.

    XT4 Sport’s available Active Sport Suspension features Continuous Damping Control and takes driving dynamics and control to a higher threshold, using electronic sensors to monitor the road in real time and making damping adjustments every 2 milliseconds.

    The XT4 is also the first Cadillac to introduce electro-hydraulic braking assist, which supplants the traditional vacuum-assisted power braking system with an electro-hydraulic system that enhances fuel economy and takes up less space under the hood.

    KEY STANDARD AND AVAILABLE FEATURES (Premium Luxury and Sport content is in addition to or in place of Luxury content)

    XT4 LUXURY

    XT4 PREMIUM LUXURY

    XT4 SPORT

    STANDARD

    STANDARD

    STANDARD

    18-in.  10-spoke alloy wheels with Bright Silver finish
    LED headlamps and taillamps
    Satin aluminum side glass moldings
    Leatherette trim
    8-way driver/6-way passenger power front seats
    Aluminum metallized interior decor
    Rotary controller
    Rear Park Assistiii
    Teen Driveriii
    Cadillac user experience
    Four USB ports
    60/40-split rear seat
    Dual-zone automatic climate control
    Adaptive Remote Start

    18-inch 10-spoke wheels with Pearl Nickel finish
    Illuminated door handles with satin chrome accents
    Front and Rear Park Assistiii
    Power-folding outside mirrors
    Satin aluminum finish on roof rails
    Leather seat surfaces
    Ambient lighting
    Wood or aluminum interior décor
    Lane Change Alert with Side Blind Zone Alertiii
    Rear Cross Traffic Alertiii
    Safety Alert Seatiii
    Auto-dimming inside mirror
    Driver’s seat memory
    Power liftgate

    18-inch 10-spoke alloy wheels with Diamond Cut/Argent Metallic finish
    LED front turn signal and cornering lamps
    Tinted neutral-density taillamp lenses
    Gloss Black finish on the front grille, side glass moldings and roof rails
    Body-color door handles
    Front and Rear Park Assistiii
    Power-folding outside mirrors
    Leatherette trim with sport accents
    Ambient lighting
    Carbon fiber or wood interior décor
    Sport steering wheel and pedals
    Lane Change Alert with Side Blind Zone Alertiii
    Rear Cross Traffic Alertiii
    Safety Alert Seatiii
    Auto-dimming inside mirror
    Driver’s seat memory
    Power liftgate

    AVAILABLE

    AVAILABLE

    AVAILABLE

    Sunroof and roof rails
    Trailering package
    All-wheel drive
    Navigation radio and Bose audio system
    Cold weather package

    Sunroof
    Trailering package
    All-wheel drive
    Navigation radio and Bose audio system
    Cold weather package
    Comfort and Convenience package
    20-inch Luxury wheels
    Driver Awareness Package
    Visibility Package
    Driver Assist Package
    Technology Package

    Sunroof
    Trailering package
    All-wheel drive
    Navigation radio and Bose audio system
    Cold weather package
    Comfort and Convenience package
    20-inch Sport wheels
    Driver Awareness Package
    Visibility Package
    Driver Assist Package
    Technology Package
    Active Sport Suspension with Continuous Damping Control

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    2019 CADILLAC XT4 PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS 
    (North American specs, as of time of publication)

    OVERVIEW

    Model

    2019 Cadillac XT4

    Body Style

    5 door, 5 passenger compact luxury SUV

    Manufacturing location

    Fairfax Assembly, Kansas City, Kansas

     

    EXTERIOR

    Wheelbase (in / mm)

    109.4 / 2779

    Overall length (in / mm)

    181.1 / 4599

    Overall width (in / mm)

    74.1 / 1881 (excluding outside rearview mirrors)

    Overall height (in / mm)

    64.1 / 1627 (including roof rails)

    Turning circle (feet)

    38.0

    Ground clearance (in / mm)

    6.7 / 171

     

    INTERIOR DIMENSIONS & CARGO VOLUME

    Seating capacity (front / rear)

    2 / 3

    Headroom
    (in / mm)

    39.4 / 1000 (front)
    38.3 / 973 (rear)

    Legroom
    (in. / mm)

    40.4 / 1026 (front)
    44.1 / 1121 (front, maximum)
    39.5 / 1004 (rear)

    Cargo volume (cu ft)

    22.5 (behind 1st row)
    48.9 (behind 2nd row)

     

    WEIGHTS & CAPACITIES

    Curb weight (lbs / kg)

    3660 / 1660 (FWD Luxury – est.)

    Max. towing capacity (lbs)

    3500 (with available towing package)

     

    CADILLAC-ESTIMATED FUEL ECONOMY

    City

    25 mpg

    Highway

    30 mpg

    Combined

    27 mpg

     

    ENGINE

    Type:

    2.0L Turbocharged I4 DOHC with Active Fuel Management, direct injection and stop/start

    Bore and stroke       (in. / mm):

    3.26 x 3.63 / 83 x 92.3

    Block material:

    Cast aluminum

    Cylinder head material:

    Cast aluminum

    Valvetrain:

    Dual overhead camshafts, four valves per cylinder with tripower system

    Fuel delivery:

    Direct injection with electronic throttle control

    Horsepower             (hp / kW @ rpm):

    237 / 177 @ 5000 (SAE cert.)

    Torque
    (lb.-ft. / Nm):

    258 / 350 @ 1500-4000 (SAE cert.)

     

    TRANSMISSION

    Type:

    Hydra-Matic 9T50 nine-speed electronically controlled automatic

     

    CHASSIS & SUSPENSION

    Front Suspension:

    MacPherson strut with coil-over spring; direct-acting stabilizer bar. Active Sport Suspension with Continuous Damping Control (avail. on Sport)

    Rear Suspension:

    Five-link independent with coil springs and fully isolated cradle

    Steering Type:

    Electric variable-assist power rack-and-pinion

    Brake Type:

    Four-wheel disc with ABS; electro-hydraulic assist

    Wheel Size:

    18-in. alloy (std.)
    20-in. alloy (avail.)

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    1 minute ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Having had to clean up the aftermath of explosive diarrhea and vomit from multiple cars, leather gets my vote every time.  

    Not everyone picks up random homeless drug addicts like you to Cubi...

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    Just now, Drew Dowdell said:

    Garbage cloth is garbage.  The old luxury cloth seats from up until about 1990 were great.  The cloth I have in my Toronado is leagues better than any cloth you can get today. 

    I am with Drew on the cloth issue.  My cars are older Oldsmobiles from the 1990's and the cloth holds up well if not better than the leather. Leather is not a good thing in some states like Texas. It cracks, breaks and worse.  My Toronados cloth is doing well so far.  The Ninety Eight is leather, and I am going to have it reupholstered and I am switching it to the older GM cloth.  I found the  GM cloth online.  I would not get leather because of the heat, humidity factors here. You should see interiors of cars with leather here. It is not a pretty sight.  I did what you were supposed to do with leather, and the climate here destroyed it over time. 

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    3 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Not everyone picks up random homeless drug addicts like you to Cubi...

    Hah-hah, no that was me on 3 occasions where I went for Indian or Pakistani curry without taking Immodium before and after...unstable bowels.    I learned Chicken Vindaloo and 115 degree days don't mix well...

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    1 minute ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Hah-hah, no that was me on 3 occasions where I went for Indian or Pakistani curry without taking Immodium before and after...unstable bowels.    I learned Chicken Vindaloo and 115 degree days don't mix well...

    My car if that happened to me....

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    34 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Cloth is absolute garbage.. I hope to never own anything with cloth seats. 

    Cloth is instant warm on a cold morning day and warm on a blistering hot Phoenix Arizona day. 

    I myself love leather but also can understand the comfort of cloth. My 1994 GMC Suburban has cloth seats and it is nice to sit on when you are either freezing or frying outside.

    But I do dig my Escalade Leather chilled seats. :smilewide:

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    Just now, dfelt said:

    Cloth is instant warm on a cold morning day and warm on a blistering hot Phoenix Arizona day. 

    I myself love leather but also can understand the comfort of cloth. My 1994 GMC Suburban has cloth seats and it is nice to sit on when you are either freezing or frying outside.

    But I do dig my Escalade Leather chilled seats. :smilewide:

    The 9 years I lived in AZ I had only leather interiors...dark gray (WJ GC), cream (DTS), dark blue (500SEL), black (300CE), cream (WK2 GC).    But had sheepskin seat covers in most...

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    12 minutes ago, ykX said:

    I disagree, cloth is not hot in the summer and not cold in the winter. Leather looks better and it is easier to clean but they need to heat and cool it to be comfortable.

    Really expensive cars put alcantara now I believe, because it is better than leather.

    Tinted windows keep leather from getting hot and of course heated seats! lol 

    11 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Garbage cloth is garbage.  The old luxury cloth seats from up until about 1990 were great.  The cloth I have in my Toronado is leagues better than any cloth you can get today. 

    Maybe that's why I've always thought cloth was garbage. I've only sat in cloth seats from vehicles from the mid 90's through today. 

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    1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

    Tinted windows keep leather from getting hot and of course heated seats! lol 

    They help a bit, but if the car is sitting out all day in 118 degree weather, it's still hot inside.. 

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    2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Tinted windows keep leather from getting hot and of course heated seats! lol 

    Maybe that's why I've always thought cloth was garbage. I've only sat in cloth seats from vehicles from the mid 90's through today. 

    If you ever go to a car cruise, look for a mid-70s to mid-80s Oldsmobile Buick Cadillac Chrysler Lincoln, etc from the higher ends of the range (not a Cutlass, but a Toronado or Ninety Eight)

    You'll see the difference compared to the nylon denim they put in cars today. 

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    1 minute ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    They help a bit, but if the car is sitting out all day in 118 degree weather, it's still hot inside.. 

    My car sits outside all day and I'll get in it and it's read in the 100+teens temps. I've nebr felt like my seat was going to burn me. I've had my shift ball in my Mach 1 almost burn me because it was aluminum and would get incredibly hot. 

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    7 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Cloth is instant warm on a cold morning day and warm on a blistering hot Phoenix Arizona day. 

    I myself love leather but also can understand the comfort of cloth. My 1994 GMC Suburban has cloth seats and it is nice to sit on when you are either freezing or frying outside.

    But I do dig my Escalade Leather chilled seats. :smilewide:

    The 2 biggest reason's I hate cloth seats is getting in an out in most any pants they don't want to slide along the cloth so you have to adjust after getting in and after getting out and the more obvious, ease of cleaning. 

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    Just now, ccap41 said:

    My car sits outside all day and I'll get in it and it's read in the 100+teens temps. I've nebr felt like my seat was going to burn me. I've had my shift ball in my Mach 1 almost burn me because it was aluminum and would get incredibly hot. 

    When I was in AZ and didn't have covered parking, my Jeep or the Benzes would get to 145F inside during the afternoon.   Sheepskin seat covers, steering wheel cover, dash cover.  The chrome inside door handles got really hot..

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    1 minute ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    If you ever go to a car cruise, look for a mid-70s to mid-80s Oldsmobile Buick Cadillac Chrysler Lincoln, etc from the higher ends of the range (not a Cutlass, but a Toronado or Ninety Eight)

    You'll see the difference compared to the nylon denim they put in cars today. 

    Hmmm I'll have to do that! 

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    Just now, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    When I was in AZ and didn't have covered parking, my Jeep or the Benzes would get to 145F inside during the afternoon.   Sheepskin seat covers, steering wheel cover, dash cover.  The chrome inside door handles got really hot..

    Holy Balls, 145F! 

    I assume you also had a windshield sun reflector? They help out a lot and probably even more in temps like those. 

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    2 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    If you ever go to a car cruise, look for a mid-70s to mid-80s Oldsmobile Buick Cadillac Chrysler Lincoln, etc from the higher ends of the range (not a Cutlass, but a Toronado or Ninety Eight)

    You'll see the difference compared to the nylon denim they put in cars today. 

    Yeah, those various older cloth interiors look great...I remember seeing a Cadillac Fleetwood w/ the Talisman interior once.   My Dad's '70s and '80s Continentals and Town Cars had cloth interiors IIRC, and they were very nice. 

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    19 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Having had to clean up the aftermath of explosive diarrhea and vomit from multiple cars, leather gets my vote every time.  

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    3 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Holy Balls, 145F! 

    I assume you also had a windshield sun reflector? They help out a lot and probably even more in temps like those. 

    Yes..  luckily, the places I worked from 2011-2017 I had parking garage parking (underground and above ground) or covered lot parking... but from '09-11 I was stuck parking in a huge asphalt lot during the day. 

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    15 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Hah-hah, no that was me on 3 occasions where I went for Indian or Pakistani curry without taking Immodium before and after...unstable bowels.    I learned Chicken Vindaloo and 115 degree days don't mix well...

    Soooo what you're saying is... you sh!t ourself on three different occasions?!?!

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    5 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Yeah, those various older cloth interiors look great...I remember seeing a Cadillac Fleetwood w/ the Talisman interior once.   My Dad's '70s and '80s Continentals and Town Cars had cloth interiors IIRC, and they were very nice. 

    Keeping in mind that the tastes for what consituted luxury have changed in the past 40 years... it use to be about ultimate quiet and comfort compared to the hard seats and pumped in engine noises you get today.... this is the cushmobile that Cubi is referring to above.

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    16 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    The 2 biggest reason's I hate cloth seats is getting in an out in most any pants they don't want to slide along the cloth so you have to adjust after getting in and after getting out and the more obvious, ease of cleaning. 

    That just means you have to lift your ass up rather than sliding in. :P 

    9 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Keeping in mind that the tastes for what consituted luxury have changed in the past 40 years... it use to be about ultimate quiet and comfort compared to the hard seats and pumped in engine noises you get today.... this is the cushmobile that Cubi is referring to above.

    cadi1974talismaninteriorblue.jpg

    So True, I remember all the cadillac and Delta 98 interiors my family and relatives had and they were awesome. Suburbans had nice cloth interiors too for the GMC side of the house but nothing like that above.

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    @Drew Dowdell You nailed it, that quiet lazy boy comfort in a luxury cruiser was it 40 yrs ago and now everyone implies they want the ultimate driving machine.

    I for one love the ultimate driving machine but also love the quiet comfort and I believe you can have both. No reason to not have a auto that can handle when thrown about but also blocks out the exterior world. The Buick Envision does this very well. In fact the more I think about it, the Cadillac XT5 was noisier than my sisters Envision.

    I want my next auto to handle like my SS but be vault like quiet from the outside world. I wish Cadillac would use the Buick quiet tech on their lineup of auto's plus extra sound deadening material.

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    1 minute ago, dfelt said:

    @Drew Dowdell You nailed it, that quiet lazy boy comfort in a luxury cruiser was it 40 yrs ago and now everyone implies they want the ultimate driving machine.

    I for one love the ultimate driving machine but also love the quiet comfort and I believe you can have both. No reason to not have a auto that can handle when thrown about but also blocks out the exterior world. The Buick Envision does this very well. In fact the more I think about it, the Cadillac XT5 was noisier than my sisters Envision.

    I want my next auto to handle like my SS but be vault like quiet from the outside world. I wish Cadillac would use the Buick quiet tech on their lineup of auto's plus extra sound deadening material.

    See also: Cadillac CT6

    But you're right, the XT5 I find boomy inside too. 

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    23 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Soooo what you're saying is... you sh!t ourself on three different occasions?!?!

    3 different cars, 3 different restaurants, 3 different cities.  All Indian or Pakistani curry. Just can't handle the really spicy stuff anymore. ;(

    22 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Keeping in mind that the tastes for what consituted luxury have changed in the past 40 years... it use to be about ultimate quiet and comfort compared to the hard seats and pumped in engine noises you get today.... this is the cushmobile that Cubi is referring to above.

    cadi1974talismaninteriorblue.jpg

    I'd like to have something with the plush comfort of that era, very quiet but with all the modern cabin tech and plenty of power.  

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    1 minute ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    3 different cars, 3 different restaurants, 3 different cities.  All Indian or Pakistani curry. Just can't handle the really spicy stuff anymore. ;(

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    10 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Sit sideways and rotate ~90 degrees... ??‍♂️

    Such a lady!

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    8 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    I'd like to have something with the plush comfort of that era, very quiet but with all the modern cabin tech and plenty of power.  

    In before @smk4565

    You want an S-Class

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    18 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

     

     

    In before @smk4565

    You want an S-Class

    There is something special about wafting along looking out over a big hood at the 3 pointed star.  I enjoyed driving my sister's old  500SEL when it wasn't in the shop.  

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    2 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    It doesn't seem like "The Best or Nothing" either...

    GLS and all below it come with Pleather seats standard.

    It is the Best when it is easy to clean, super durable, doesn't crack, doesn't wear out, etc.  MB-Tex is durable.  Although I have the Nappa Leather upgrade in my car and it is also a good material.   And maybe some people don't care, you give the consumer a choice of MB Tex or pay extra for leather. 

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    1 hour ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    There is something special about wafting along looking out over a big hood at the 3 pointed star.  I enjoyed driving my sister's old  500SEL when it wasn't in the shop.  

    ???

    49 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Everyone wants an S-class, just not everyone can afford an S-class.

    Nope Wrong, Never will want an S-class or anything MB makes. They have nothing to compete with the Escalade and before you say it, the G-Wagon even the new finally updated one is still no match to an Escalade!

    I would take a Hummer H2 over the G-Wagon!

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    5 minutes ago, dfelt said:

     

    I would take a Hummer H2

    What a pile those things were....Fisher-Price interior plastics, dreadful styling..  

    As far as M-Bs,  I'd drive a GLE or GLS, maybe a CLS.   But I wouldn't want to have one out of warranty. 

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    4 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    What a pile those things were....Fisher-Price interior plastics, dreadful styling..  

    As far as M-Bs,  I'd drive a GLE or GLS, maybe a CLS.   But I wouldn't want to have one out of warranty. 

    H2 were Plastic city, but they could handle off road amazingly well and had a ton of room inside.

    If M-B ever wanted to really play in the full size SUV space, then stop wasting money on the excessive off road that 99.99999% of people never use and build a proper body on frame 3 row full size SUV that can hall 8 people comfortably on road trips and still handle the basic offroad stuff.

    It is almost as if M-B is afraid to even try and take on GM in the Escalade space. :scratchchin:

    Guess this goes with the same whatever reason they will not attempt to take on GM or Ford with full size Pickups.

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    4 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Everyone wants an S-class, just not everyone can afford an S-class.

    I can afford one, but have zero desire to own one. No appeal to me.

    But it's not so much the purchase price people can't afford (most are low-rate leases), it's the depreciation.
    Who wants to kiss $50,000 goodby in 36 months??
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    RE the Olds 98, my grandfather had a new '82 98 Regency Brougham. I remember driving it... stone slow but butter smooth.

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    4 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Everyone wants an S-class, just not everyone can afford an S-class.

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    4 hours ago, NINETY EIGHT REGENCY said:

    Oldsmobile Ninety Eight with a cloth interior

     

     

    Make mine black, coupe, burgundy interior.

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    6 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Keeping in mind that the tastes for what consituted luxury have changed in the past 40 years... it use to be about ultimate quiet and comfort compared to the hard seats and pumped in engine noises you get today.... this is the cushmobile that Cubi is referring to above.

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    Like just lookkatthat.

    I mean where do you even begin?

    Just so plush and cushy. Does it even end?

    I could never keep my hands on the steering wheel as I’d have my hands touching everything....savouring the sensation of the materials, the caressing care of the cushion, the deep thrust of the spring, the soft envelope of the cabin...

     

     

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    4 hours ago, dfelt said:

    H2 were Plastic city, but they could handle off road amazingly well and had a ton of room inside.

    If M-B ever wanted to really play in the full size SUV space, then stop wasting money on the excessive off road that 99.99999% of people never use and build a proper body on frame 3 row full size SUV that can hall 8 people comfortably on road trips and still handle the basic offroad stuff.

    It is almost as if M-B is afraid to even try and take on GM in the Escalade space. :scratchchin:

    Guess this goes with the same whatever reason they will not attempt to take on GM or Ford with full size Pickups.

    The GLS is a full size SUV and has more 3rd row room than the Escalade.  They have 7 SUVs if you count the 2 coupes and a GLB and electric SUV coming in 2019.  That is 9 freaking SUVs, I think they have the market covered.

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    54 minutes ago, Suaviloquent said:

    Like just lookkatthat.  Just so plush and cushy.  Does it even end? 

    I've seen numerous pics of the Talisman interior, but man; is it NOT for me.
    Not only am I allergic to velour ? , I hate that one can't slide easily into/across the seat; too much upholsteristic traction. Yech.

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    17 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    I've seen numerous pics of the Talisman interior, but man; is it NOT for me.
    Not only am I allergic to velour ? , I hate that one can't slide easily into/across the seat; too much upholsteristic traction. Yech.

    Your just Jealous of the Leisure Suit Larry interior. ;) :P 

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    5 hours ago, dfelt said:

    I would take a Hummer H2 over the G-Wagon!

    That's just brand bias because the H2 is a piece of junk. GF's parents have one and something is leaving them on the side of the road every 6 months, literally. They take the GF's G Wagen on road trips because they know it'll get them there and back.

    They've had so many issues with that thing. I'm trying to convince them a newer Yukon or Tahoe/Suburban would be better and waaaaaay more reliable. 

    5 hours ago, dfelt said:

    If M-B ever wanted to really play in the full size SUV space, then stop wasting money on the excessive off road that 99.99999% of people never use and build a proper body on frame 3 row full size SUV that can hall 8 people comfortably on road trips and still handle the basic offroad stuff.

    A GLS can do as much(or little) off roading as an Escalade...

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    Not saying the Escalade can't do this but if this is considered mild off roading.. I think the GL would be just fine. I can't imagine needing ANY more than this in a vehicle this size. 

     

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    28 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    That's just brand bias because the H2 is a piece of junk. GF's parents have one and something is leaving them on the side of the road every 6 months, literally. They take the GF's G Wagen on road trips because they know it'll get them there and back.

    They've had so many issues with that thing. I'm trying to convince them a newer Yukon or Tahoe/Suburban would be better and waaaaaay more reliable. 

    A GLS can do as much(or little) off roading as an Escalade...

    Have they done all the stated maintenance on their H2? Hate to say it but I have had enough experience with the H2 that you do need to follow the service schedule otherwise it can leave you stranded. 

    I also agree with you a newer Tahoe / Suburban would be better even a CPO version.

    Good to see the GL450 video, yup that can do the same as the Escalade. Now just need to produce it in an ESV version and they will have a competitor to it.

    Yes I know the GL450 will compete with the standard Escalade, but they do not have an ESV competitor yet.

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    H2s were just a Yukon in Hummer clothing. The Yukon, Tahoe, Suburban were just noted for being the longest lasting SUVs on the road and also having the highest average mileage AND also having the most vehicle or there with over 200k miles.

    Not saying the situation you mentioned isn't happening, but it is certainly the exception. 

    The Escalade's downfall for off-roading is entirely the wheels and tires.  It's as capable as any other full size SUV except it's wearing 22s and summer tires usually.

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    8 hours ago, dfelt said:

    Have they done all the stated maintenance on their H2? Hate to say it but I have had enough experience with the H2 that you do need to follow the service schedule otherwise it can leave you stranded. 

    Maintenance on alternators, starters, MAF, air suspension? I know stuff just goes over time. Nothing is indestructible. They've gone through a transmission as well and they actually have ad it services prior to its failure. They had a shop across from their store they'd take all of their stuff to. 

    8 hours ago, dfelt said:

    I also agree with you a newer Tahoe / Suburban would be better even a CPO version.

    Definitely. That's what I think they should get. They still want something huge and will sit a bunch of people and room to move things so the Tahoe/Suburban is right up their ally. 

    8 hours ago, dfelt said:

    Good to see the GL450 video, yup that can do the same as the Escalade. Now just need to produce it in an ESV version and they will have a competitor to it.

    Yes I know the GL450 will compete with the standard Escalade, but they do not have an ESV competitor yet.

    I was pleasantly surprised with how capable the GL is. Yeah it won't complete with the longer ESV but isn't that just adding length to the hatch area? Like the Suburban vs Tahoe? 

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    Perhaps.. and I mean PERHAPS.. your GF's parents bought a lemon. THAT HAPPENS.. even with a GM product. I owned the GMT800 Yukon SLT from 2000 to 2006. Put about 150K on the ODO.. In the summer of 2005 I decided I would put the 4.10 diff in from a wrecked Denali. Did it myself.. but that was the only time I remember being under the truck.

    In Late '06 bout my 2007 Tahoe LTZ and drove from that time til 2014.. 8 years.. one issue with the Air Shocks, which I replaced myself with Ergnotts version and saved a lot versus GM parts. Got the current 2015 when my Tahoe hit 120k I think

    The H2 was based on the GMT800. Plenty of them still rolling around including my older brother's 2006 which has 170K on the ODO last I checked in Dec

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    52 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    H2s were just a Yukon in Hummer clothing. The Yukon, Tahoe, Suburban were just noted for being the longest lasting SUVs on the road and also having the highest average mileage AND also having the most vehicle or there with over 200k miles.

    Not saying the situation you mentioned isn't happening, but it is certainly the exception. 

    The Escalade's downfall for off-roading is entirely the wheels and tires.  It's as capable as any other full size SUV except it's wearing 22s and summer tires usually.

    Oh I somewhat agree and that's also why I still suggest them getting a Tahoe/Suburban to replace it. 

    The H2 was definitely more than just Hummer clothes on a Yukon chassis. It was a 2500 Suburban with air ride, electronic locking rear diff, a unique transfer case and Vortec 6.0. Similar, yes. Just dressed up? No. 

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