Report Card: 2016 Detroit Auto Show

I'll take that Avista please, all day and everyday after. The Volvo is very sharp as well (never thought I'd say that about a Volvo)!

All A's report card from a GM site.

Shocking, I know.

And for the record, the Raptor is all new, in it's second generation of having a crew cab, and GM has NOTHING to compete with it still.

All A's report card from a GM site.

Shocking, I know.

 

 

And for the record, the Raptor is all new, in it's second generation of having a crew cab, and GM has NOTHING to compete with it still.

We are not a GM site.

I'd say the winner is the  Pacifica (A+) because the hybrid is revolutionary for the segment (even though few will buy it) and they did add a lot of technology, the multimedia for kids in the back, the 9-speed auto, they copied Honda's in car vacuum, etc.  And the styling is sleek and somewhat unique for a van.  Pacifica I think can really take over that segment.

Stuff like the Fusion and E-class, they tweak them since they are big volume players in their segments, they will keep that going.   I like what they did with the E-class, the interior and technology really push it forward and it has the familiar Mercedes look.  Fusion is just a refresh, I'd give the E-class an A- because I would have liked a bit more unique styling.

The Acura (D) concept is there to get headlines and make them look like a prime time luxury brand.  Otherwise they would have a trio os Honda-Inspired sedans and a rebadged Pilot on their stage, and no one would pay attention to them.  That precision concept is something they'll never build, but they want to keep teasing the fan base.  I feel like the Buick Avista is a bit like that too, although I think they should build a 3.6 V6 Avista, a grand touring style Camaro for about $40k.  I think that is a sell-able car that you can get enough volume off of.

The Ridgeline (B)  looks a little awkward, but it could do well with the car like ride, Honda reliability, the storage bin under the pick up bed, etc.  Mid-size pickups got pretty dated, until the GM twins showed up, and after like 10 years a new Tacoma.  Competition is heating up there again.

Acadia (A-) I think they did right.  It looks trucky as a GMC should, it moved to mid-size which is the sweet spot, and they have Enclave and Yukon there if you want bigger.

All A's report card from a GM site.

Shocking, I know.

 

 

And for the record, the Raptor is all new, in it's second generation of having a crew cab, and GM has NOTHING to compete with it still.

I would give extra credit marks to the following vehicles.

Fusion. Bump it to B. I'll give credit for Ford realizing a sale lost on Lincoln is better captured by Ford one way or another. And they're the de facto performance leader in their segment now, and the platinum level interior is capable of punching above its class. Plus I really like the way it looks, but that didn't factor in the extra marks I would give.

Buick Avista: You don't get a grade. You get advanced placement, you're off to battle school, and your grades are so good you make the Xenocide, Ender Wiggin, irrelevant. This is a car that would, quite frankly, upset the power balance in the GM portfolio, and a car like this would really shake Cadillac ATS to the bone.

Lexus LC-500 - 100% completion. It's a concept car that is the production car. I can't believe Lexus had the guts to build it. It's an irrational car for an utterly rational brand. Besides, they are going against some exclusive competition too. This is an example for Cadillac. It's one of those cars I would actually buy if I had the money. And if it is utterly superior to anything else, especially that beautiful peanut butter interior, no nationalist buying criteria will bail out something from the home team. I'll go full sellout and get myself thrown out of the country.

Lincoln Continental - B+

I don't want to like this car, and I really kind of don't, but every time I see it... I think for once Lincoln has a deep understanding of what its customers want. Lincoln cannot possibly serve its customers as the "me too" sporty sedan. It can't. They've figured out that having ultra-luxury level features such as 30 way power seats, hi-fi Harman Audio, liberal use of cow-hide is their way forward. They put their money into a fine interior when they didn't have the money for an exclusive platform. That's probably a smart thing to do, customers look at the inside and exterior more than the dirty underneath bits. Building relationships with their customers - that is important too. Serve the customer. I'll call it the 'be the Butler strategy.'

The Raptor- It's just a pass/fail option for this car. And it passes because its only competition are concepts from these days and days past.

Everything else I agree with William's grades assignments.

All A's report card from a GM site.

Shocking, I know.

 

 

And for the record, the Raptor is all new, in it's second generation of having a crew cab, and GM has NOTHING to compete with it still.

Really?! Really.. Sure I gave seven As on the report card, but only three were GMs. The rest were Chrysler, Infiniti, Lexus, and Volvo. How does this make me bias to GM?

And your second point, the Raptor isn't all new. They showed it off last year. Sure the supercrew is all new, but the fact Ford didn't give any power numbers or show off some interesting new feature is why it got an incomplete.

Buick Avista: Circlejerkery for a car that will never, ever, ever, ever be built. 4/10

Continental: Equally as milquetoast as the breakfast sharing its name. Should be called the 'Lincoln Flyover State' because ain't nobody stopping for that. 4/10

Acadia: GM's cultural appropriation bent endures, by continuing the Acadia name without any reverence for the Acadian culture. GM should make the dash cluster half Francophone as a start. Still not as bad as the free blankets some Pontiac dealers distributed with Aztek tent packages. 4/10

Raptor SuperCrew: SuperCompensation. 4/10

Nissan Titan Warrior: Reliable SuperCompensation. 4/10

Honda Ridgeline: Dudebro's appreciate the clean design inviting customization and the box speakers, ensuring your next outdoor event will be thoroughly ruined. 4/10

Chrysler Pacifica: Stylish suburban spawn-schlepper with copious room for even more spawn. Gives parents the illusion of class while carting around their little bundles of bad decisions. Will become ground zero for missing french fries and feckless, entitled lower-middle income suburban white males. 4/10

Tesla: Not sharing space with the trash above. 10/10

Acura Precision Concept: Fail

I'm actually liking Acura's current design language for the ILX and TLX, as well as the NSX (which I'm skeptical will ever be released). This hideous abortion looks like Lexus was tasked with refreshing the ZDX. Just stahp.

2016 BMW M2: A

Good to see BMW taking a break from the endless variants, 4-door coupes, and crossover sedan coupe monstrosities to build something genuinely appealing to enthusiasts in the way the best M3 used to do.

Buick Avista Concept: –

It's not a fail because it looks good, it has a great chassis, and solid powertrain. I just don't get it. It makes no sense for Buick and it will never reach production. Build the f@#king Avenir and stop toying with my emotions.

2017 Chevrolet Cruze Hatchback: A-

This exceeded my expectations as far as design. I'd love to see it in a non-embarrassing color. The only thing it lacks is a compelling drivetrain or sport model, the new 1.4T is adequate but lacks lust or excitement. GM needs a performance car below the Camaro, this has the potential.
 

2017 Chrysler Pacifica: A

Very impressive minivan. I have no interest in this segment, but it looks good and is quite innovative.

2017 Ford Fusion: B

Underwhelming refresh, glad it looks less Aston than before. The sport will be a great car for the money, but speaks volumes about Ford's true lack of devotion to set Lincoln apart in a meaningful way.

2017 Ford Raptor SuperCrew: Incomplete

I agree with the incomplete assessment. Drop the specs already! Looks awesome.

2017 Genesis G90: B

Glad Hyundai spun off a luxury brand to build a reputation. Exterior is decent, interior is impressive. I still doubt their ability to build a luxury competitive chassis and powertrain.

2017 GMC Acadia: B+

I think the downsize is a brilliant move with the Acadia, HOWEVER, I'm not feeling the headlight design (doesn't say GMC at all). No 8 speed, no exciting engine options, why do I get the feeling the 6-speed is a hold over for the new Ford/GM trans?

2017 Honda Ridgeline: C

Looks better and more like a truck than its predecessor. Falls woefully short of the Canyon/Colorado in any meaningful metric, and base models are now FWD.

2017 Infiniti Q60: B

Design is too over the top for me, the hitch in the c-pillar just kills it. Asian automakers are all in this over-design phase and they keep cranking out weird sh*t.

Kia Telluride Concept: Fail

What the hell were they thinking?

2017 Lincoln Continental: C

This is supposed to be Lincoln's flagship, and the return of a storied nameplate and a kickstart to Lincoln brand equity. Every little detail that didn't make it from the concept to production cheapened the car considerably IMO. I will say the seats look great. I'll reserve final judgement until the car is tested and reviewed to see if it ascends beyond its FWD roots, or if it's another MKS.

2017 Lexus LC 500: B

I'm not going to pat Lexus on the back for continuing to cram their design language down our throats. This is one of the better looking iterations, but is that really a compliment given the context? Powertrain seems to carry over from the RC-F, yawn.

Nissan Titan Warrior Concept: A

Really wish more of these details had made it to the mundane looking XD. This concept totally transforms the truck visually.

 

 

Buick Avista: You don't get a grade. You get advanced placement, you're off to battle school, and your grades are so good you make the Xenocide, Ender Wiggin, irrelevant. This is a car that would, quite frankly, upset the power balance in the GM portfolio, and a car like this would really shake Cadillac ATS to the bone.

 

Not at all. The ATS, for one, is in its last two years.. this Buick wouldn't be intro'ed til around 2018. As gorgeous as it is.. the CT3(?) is gonna be taking on the Elmiraj design language, as the current one is more in line with the Ciel. The other thing is that this is SPORTY... exclusively so. Its like comparing a 911 to a Panamera. Different purposes, even in coupe form.

 

All A's report card from a GM site.

Shocking, I know.

 

 

And for the record, the Raptor is all new, in it's second generation of having a crew cab, and GM has NOTHING to compete with it still.

 

Really?! Really.. Sure I gave seven As on the report card, but only three were GMs. The rest were Chrysler, Infiniti, Lexus, and Volvo. How does this make me bias to GM?

 

And your second point, the Raptor isn't all new. They showed it off last year. Sure the supercrew is all new, but the fact Ford didn't give any power numbers or show off some interesting new feature is why it got an incomplete.

 

Why?

Because the Raptor is all new and never seen before, except as a concept, same as the Continental, which you gave a B-.  And your reasoning for giving Raptor an incomplete, was that you said there are no power numbers, yet there are, 'albeit not finalized at '450/450.'  So hardly a reason for an incomplete, IMO.  And you simply complained about the price of Fusion, completely ignoring the new Sport which is rare in this segment of mundane family movers.  BTW, final power numbers are not revealed their as well, only estimates, so perhaps you should change that to incomplete as well.  Hey, I recognize it is no Cruze hatchback, good for an A, but I digress. 

And don't be ashamed of having a bit of a bias, we all have it.

Wings why are you on uber defense mode?

Drew already said that the CT6 and Conti are about evenly matched given what you get with both, and what we know or expect the pricing structure to be for both.

And Casa, it's okay, I'd buy the Camaro over the ATS or CT3 too. And not because I'd save a helluva lot of money AND get the better looking coupe, get a better infotainment system, but because you can get the same V8 as GM's performance flagship, and I could also be satisfied that more competent drivers than I could run circles around a V Series ATS or CT3.

Wings, how is the Raptor all new when they gave me a model of the Raptor at last year's Detroit auto show?  What they showed this year is just a larger cab model of the one that they showed last year?

Was it really like a big-time debut thing where they dimmed the lights, and paraded the thing out?

Or was it just:

"here's the new thingamabobber!!! Oh yeah, everything else in this segment is a n00b!!!"

"They are the weakest links. Goodbye!"

Every year Ford take the Joe Louis Arena, they are usually only ones who don't do their presentation at their booth. 

My apologies to the OP for my remarks on your assessment of the show, as I honestly felt that Ford/Lincoln had a better showing than was represented here with your report card.

This is a subjective thread after all, and not my place to challenge.

Wings why are you on uber defense mode?

 

Drew already said that the CT6 and Conti are about evenly matched given what you get with both, and what we know or expect the pricing structure to be for both.

 

And Casa, it's okay, I'd buy the Camaro over the ATS or CT3 too. And not because I'd save a helluva lot of money AND get the better looking coupe, get a better infotainment system, but because you can get the same V8 as GM's performance flagship, and I could also be satisfied that more competent drivers than I could run circles around a V Series ATS or CT3.

U're entitled to buy whatcha like... Me? I would take the current ATS V hands down over the mighty Camaro and the LT1. The LF4 is simply too good and the Cadillac only lacks in terms of gauges versus the Chevy due to DOB. CT3 will rectify quite a few things.

My apologies to the OP for my remarks on your assessment of the show, as I honestly felt that Ford/Lincoln had a better showing than was represented here with your report card.

 

This is a subjective thread after all, and not my place to challenge.

Yet U did. Ford had the Continental debut.. IMO.. Boring. As a luxury lover, there is nothing that inspires me to want to buy that car. U are making such HoopLa over... I assume U have one on order?

 

My apologies to the OP for my remarks on your assessment of the show, as I honestly felt that Ford/Lincoln had a better showing than was represented here with your report card.

 

This is a subjective thread after all, and not my place to challenge.

Yet U did. Ford had the Continental debut.. IMO.. Boring. As a luxury lover, there is nothing that inspires me to want to buy that car. U are making such HoopLa over... I assume U have one on order?

 

Let it go casa.

Let it go.

My apologies to the OP for my remarks on your assessment of the show, as I honestly felt that Ford/Lincoln had a better showing than was represented here with your report card.

 

This is a subjective thread after all, and not my place to challenge.

Yet U did. Ford had the Continental debut.. IMO.. Boring. As a luxury lover, there is nothing that inspires me to want to buy that car. U are making such HoopLa over... I assume U have one on order?

 

Let it go casa.

Let it go.

Right. If it makes U feel better... I at least like the effort