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    2018 GMC Terrain Becomes Less Boxy, Offers Three Engines

      2018 GMC Terrain, now with less box


    The GMC Terrain has become one of the most important models for the brand. It is the second-best selling model - one of out six models sold is a Terrain. How do you a second act while trying to retain it as one of the best-selling models? Tonight at an event before the Detroit Auto Show, GMC gave the answer.

    GMC used the template of the Acadia crossover when designing the Terrain. But GMC also added some unique touches as well. The most apparent is the floating roofline that has been used on the Nissan Murano. There is also a large hexagonal grille and c-shaped head and taillights. Like the Chevrolet Equinox revealed last year, the Terrain has gone down in size. It is 3.2-inches shorter and rides on a wheelbase that has been cut by 5.2-inches. On the plus side, GMC was able to drop a few hundred pounds from the new model.

    The interior follows the Acadia's design with the same dash layout. It appears the Terrain will be getting a new version of GMC's Intellilink infotainment system along with a push-button transmission selector. The downsizing does mean a decrease in cargo space. With the rear seats up, the Terrain offers 29.6 cubic feet of space (down 2 cubic feet from the current model) Fold the rear seats and space measures out to 63.3 cubic feet (down 0.4 cubic feet).

    The big news are the engines. There will be three turbocharged engines on offer,

    • 1.5L four-cylinder: 170 horsepower and 203 pound-feet of torque
    • 2.0L four-cylinder: 252 horsepower and 260 pound-feet of torque
    • 1.6L four-cylinder diesel: 137 horsepower and 240 pound-feet of torque

    Both gas engines will come with a nine-speed automatic, while the diesel retains a six-speed automatic. Front-wheel drive comes standard and all-wheel drive will be optional.

    The 2018 GMC Terrain will hit dealers this summer.

    Source: GMC
    Press Release is on Page 2


    GMC Introduces Modern, Bold Design on 2018 Terrain

    • Confident appearance, accommodating interior and turbo engines elevate new premium compact SUV

    DETROIT — GMC today introduced the all-new 2018 Terrain and unveiled the next chapter of GMC design via a boldly styled and intelligently engineered successor to the brand’s popular compact SUV. The Terrain offers greater refinement and versatility to adapt to customers’ unique needs, and it’s packed with more available advanced safety technologies than ever before.

    GMC offers customers the widest range of choices yet, with three all-new available turbocharged propulsion systems, including a new turbo-diesel. Two new efficiency-enhancing nine-speed automatic transmissions are matched with the gas engines — a first application for the GMC lineup.

    Continuing the momentum of owning 25 percent of GMC’s overall retail sales, Denali returns to the Terrain with greater exclusivity than ever, offering a distinctive range-topping design and uniquely refined features.

    “GMC’s strong growth over the past decade is due in large part to Terrain,” said Duncan Aldred, vice president of global GMC Sales and Marketing. “The all-new Terrain builds on that success, leveraging GMC’s proven premium SUV experience to shake up the largest vehicle segment, with a strong blend of design, functionality and engineering excellence.” 

    The 2018 Terrain goes on sale this summer in SL, SLE, SLT and Denali models, maintaining the momentum created by the first-generation model, of which more than 700,000 have been sold in North America since it went on sale in 2009.  

    Bold, modern design

    The new Terrain’s bold exterior signals the next chapter of GMC’s design language, evolving the brand’s signature cues with stronger, sharper and more sculpted elements such as the grille and lighting features. Its shape was refined in the wind tunnel to help ensure the distinctive profile cuts through the air with optimal efficiency and quietness.

    “It is a striking design with functional beauty,” said Helen Emsley, executive director, Global GMC Design. “There’s confidence and optimism in its stance, with exceptional attention to detail that speaks to GMC’s rise as a premium brand.”

    Elevating GMC’s new design, the all-new Terrain Denali will feature its signature chrome grille along with Denali-specific accents including body-color fascias and lower trim, plus chrome roof rails, door handles, side mirror caps and body-side molding. Additionally, LED headlamps and 19-inch ultra-bright machined aluminum wheels are standard on Denali.

    All other models feature signature LED daytime running lamps and tail lamps. Bi-functional HID headlamps are standard on SL, SLE and SLT. Additionally, 17-inch wheels are standard on SL and SLE, with 18-inch wheels available on SL and SLE, and standard on SLT.

    Turbocharged propulsion choices

    A range of three all-new turbocharged engines, including an all-new 1.6L turbo-diesel, provides more choices when it comes to performance, efficiency and capability in the all-new 2018 GMC Terrain. New 1.5L and 2.0L turbocharged gas engines are matched with two unique new nine-speed automatic transmissions, with the 2.0L turbo engine offering stronger acceleration and a higher degree of performance than its 1.5L counterpart.

    GMC’s new Electronic Precision Shift enables more storage room in the center console by replacing the conventional transmission shifter with electronically controlled gear selection consisting of intuitive push buttons and pull triggers.

    The Terrain comes standard with GMC’s driver-controllable Traction Select system, which has choices for different driving conditions. Elements such as the throttle responses are optimized for the selected driving mode. AWD models include a FWD mode that disconnects the AWD system to minimize drag and optimize fuel economy, while the AWD mode offers all the benefits of an active AWD system.

    Refined, versatile and purposeful interior

    Like the exterior, the new Terrain’s interior makes a statement and serves as a fundamental component of the vehicle’s heightened emphasis on refinement and functionality. Elements such as authentic aluminum trim, soft-touch materials on the instrument panel and doors and standard active noise cancellation are premium features seamlessly integrated into the interior design for a luxurious customer experience.

    The Terrain Denali heightens the GMC experience throughout the new interior with a unique trim tint color and Denali-specific logos and piping on the front seats. Denali customers will benefit from additional standard features including a heated steering wheel, navigation, Bose premium 7-speaker sound system and a hands-free programmable power liftgate.

    An expanded center console with pass-through storage underneath and side-by-side cupholders adds to the Terrain’s functionality. A new fold-flat front passenger seat and flat-folding rear seat help Terrain offer greater versatility for stowing longer items and make it easier to load cargo. There are also new under-floor compartments in the cargo area for more secure storage.

    GMC keeps passengers connected with 7- and available 8-inch-diagonal infotainment systems, featuring compatibility with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto functionality and a standard OnStar 4G LTE Wi-Fi hotspot (data plan purchase required after limited trial period) that can accommodate up to seven mobile devices. Owners can also manage their vehicles remotely with the industry-leading myGMC mobile app via their compatible smartphones. Apple CarPlay and Android Auto compatibility are subject to their terms, privacy statements and data plan rates, and require a compatible smartphone.

    Every new Terrain comes standard with five years of the OnStar Basic Plan[1] at no additional cost. Among other benefits, this connectivity plan features OnStar Smart Driver, an opt-in service designed to help GMC owners maximize their vehicle’s overall performance, reduce wear and tear, monitor fuel efficiency and become better drivers — all factors that add to the overall ownership experience.

    Expanded range of safety features

    An expanded range of available active safety technologies is designed to enhance driver awareness and even help make it easier to park and maneuver in low-speed situations. The features include radar- and camera-based adaptive technologies that can provide alerts to potential crash threats, allowing the driver to react and make changes to potentially avoid them, including:

    • New Surround Vision
    • New Forward Collision Alert with Following Distance Indicator
    • New Low-Speed Forward Automatic Braking
    • New Lane Keep Assist with Lane Departure Warning
    • Lane Change Alert with Side Blind Zone Alert 
    • Rear Cross Traffic Alert
    • New Safety Alert Seat

    The new Terrain also features GMC’s new Rear Seat Reminder[2] and Teen Driver[3]. Rear Seat Reminder alerts drivers to check the back seat as they exit their vehicles under certain circumstances, while Teen Driver allows parents to set controls and review an in-vehicle report card in order to help encourage better driving habits, even when adults are not in the vehicle.

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    58 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

    Totally shockingly new.  Wicked.  Cool.  My jaw dropped.  Would be proud to own one.  Not at all sure about that transmission shift set-up though.

     

    Agree. It actually caught me off guard. I like it! 

     

    Yeah, looks like GM will be going by the dial shifter too....not so sure how I feel about that...

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    Just now, daves87rs said:

     

    Agree. It actually caught me off guard. I like it! 

     

    Yeah, looks like GM will be going by the dial shifter too....not so sure how I feel about that...

    Yeah the Terrain's appears to be a row of differently shaped buttons that you push or pull.  It's going to be awkward getting used to it.  One word of caution to GMC:  please give customers a wider color selection than you offer with the new Acadia, which has like 5 exterior color choices, seems like.

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    Just now, ocnblu said:

    Yeah the Terrain's appears to be a row of differently shaped buttons that you push or pull.  It's going to be awkward getting used to it.  One word of caution to GMC:  please give customers a wider color selection than you offer with the new Acadia, which has like 5 exterior color choices, seems like.

    Agreed! 

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    RIP Terrain, I will miss your boxy self. This is nice and I am sure I will come to like it, but right now, I really miss the butch Terrain, this is more Feminine.

    Dial transmission based on the photo, Hmmmmmmm Not sure how I like that but I do realize that technology is there for a reason and no reason to not embrace an electric transmission shifter.

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    Looks awesome.. and we should have seen this coming. The Terrain is selling predominately to women.. and they love rounded edges. This is a nice compromise. This is gorgeous.. and nice fit for the 1-2-3-4 punch that GMC has in this market. The odd man out right now is the ACADIA Limited. I still believe that the Limited's SIZE should be retained with a simple pull from the mothballs and updated Hummer H3 and H3T with the GMC stamp on the front

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    The design is exactly what they needed to do with this model. It actually looks a class above the Equinox for once. The push-button transmission on the other hand... Who actually wants that? It seems like a huge miscalculation with its unergonomic design. Seriously... there are plus and minus buttons for gear selection. WTF.

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    They made this and the new Acadia to appeal more to the center making one a little softer and one a little more truck like.  But yet both are still very much different. 

    I so far like this better than the Nox that appears more as a soft version but I need to see it in person for a final take. Photos have not really conveyed  the new designs well. 

    Now we need to know the real important stuff. Did they fix the vents for the back seat? The old one has poor heat and AC ventilation. My son complains all the time it is too hot or too cold. 

    The seat while not flat is more flat with a folding front seat which is good. 

    The shifter while not my choice is not all that big of a deal. The R and D are well defined. That is one problem many electric shifters lack and it has been causing issues with older drivers.

    The plus and minus is so if you are stuck you can shift the transmission to start in third or second gear. It used to be on the shift handle. That is not really a good move and paddles on the steering wheel would have been a better option. Not for performance driving but winter driving. I just used them on the Malibu the other day as it was so slippery that starting in third gear was needed.

    They did also well here offering a brown interior. I worried as too often GM offers several really dark colors and nothing else. This is what may make me buy a Canyon as the Colorado as of last time I looked did not offer a lighter interior. The Z71 was black only.  

    What this comes down to is if you like the Nox you should not like this and if you like this you should not like the Nox. If GM accomplished this then they should be fine. 

    Either way both will do really well in the market as even old and with nagging issues they still did very well. If not the Acadia will pick up the rest. Look for a LWB version of it now the Transverse is out. 

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    For me, GMC design has jumped the shark. I was on the fence about the front end on the new Acadia, but this is just completely off the wall. I don't know what GMC's design language is supposed to be anymore. I will say that I love the interior, though.

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    I'm not 100% on it yet.. Like @dfelt said, I kind of liked the butch-ness of the last one. I wish they would have modernized that look instead.

    However, I absolutely LOVE that they offer a small diesel option! Of course, I wish it were a little more powerful as the numbers seem a little on the low side but it's for economy, not speed, and I understand that. I wish they would have combined the hp from the 1.5(170) and the torque of the 2.0t(260).

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    Gotta say that after viewing the cnet video on this auto, I like it much better and I see no problem with the push button transmission.

    https://www.cnet.com/au/videos/2018-gmc-terrain-gets-acadia-like-looks-and-available-diesel-power/

    Over all, this video drives home the upper luxury of the new 2018 Terrain compared to the Nox. I really am liking this more and more now.

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    the Terrain will be more popular than the Envision no matter what and seeing this new Terrain now helps me to understand that making the Envision in lower numbers in China can make sense.

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    I liked GMC's boxy styling more, like how the Envoy was.  The back of this looks like a Nissan, I don't think it has a GMC look to it, it has the GMC grille, but the headlights are a bit odd. The inside is fine for the segment, sort of gives off a Jeep vibe, in a good way though, people should like the look of it.  Doesn't look luxurious, but nice enough to compete with a Rogue, Cherokee or Escape/Edge.

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    Well you have to look at the people they have to sell to. The goal is to reach the widest number of people as possible and not lose anyone you had. I think they have done that here as it is still more square and male oriented but a little softer to take off that edge that hurt it with female buyers as they do buy over half of these things today. 

    To me it is soft enough for a woman and tough enough so a man does not feel like he looks like his balls are in her purse. It is diverse enough to be set apart from the others in the GM line. 

    Also you have to consider too that most of today's cars are not as good in photos as they are in person. I reserve final call till we see the in sheet metal. 

    I expect this to sell in the same numbers the past one did and GM will do fine. Nothing else out there looks like it and it is less polarizing so they will be fine in the end. 

    Lets face it the Jeep stuff in my opinion is not the most stylish and a coupe are just plain weird but yet they sell decent even with all the quality issues. 

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    Oh boy!!!

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    The back window!

    Its an SUV....

    Arent SUVs supposed to have a space and visibility advantage over its sedan counterpart?

    That is one small slit of a window back there...

    Unless of  course there is Cadillac CT6's rear view mirror camera available for this thing, I aint too impressed.

     

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    the feminization of this thing was expected and it actually will probably spur some new interest as this is where more of the crossover market it.  The owners of the current boxy style may actually see better resale because of this.

    that said, it looks fine and they didn't screw the pooch on it.  The floating roof is something they could risk with low volume GMC that they could not probably risk on the Equinox.

    And its still more butch than the Equinox or the Envision, so in the GM love triangle it still wears the pants.

    I guess this whole softening of GMC look will probably pay off.  All GMC really needs to be is the GM brand you buy if you don't want to be caught dead in a Chevy around your freinds but you still like GM and can't afford Caddies.

    Interior is really nice, probably nicer than the Acadia.  On that alone, this thing will sell well.

    Love the fold flat front seats, had them in two of my Fords, really really helps smaller vehicles like this become way more useful at ladder, 2x4, and Christmas tree time.

    Really do like the diesel choice but to be honest either this or the Equinox could have had a Malibu style hybrid choice as well IMO (hey did you hear gas will be back up in price soon)

    I'm sure GM thinks this new smaller Terrain can sell for 20,000 more than a comparable Kia Sportage.........

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    Oh I just noticed the shifting setup.....why would they do that just for 1 vehicle?

    From the way GM hardware finds itself in a Cadillac and Buick and a Chevy (the new electronic shifter), I'm convinced this might end up maybe in the upcoming Enclave...

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    Really wanted the Terrain or Equinox to be in the running for wife... but it is still bigger than the competition.. Larger than crv and rav4, whioe offering a smaller cargo area than Tucson and Sportage, a full 10 cubic ft less than the Honda and Toyota, and less than the VW Sportwagen as well.   So the new CX5 or CRV are still her preference.

     

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    15 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

    Oh boy!!!

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    About this

    large.5872e3c9168a9_2018GMCTerrainDenali

    The back window!

    Its an SUV....

    Arent SUVs supposed to have a space and visibility advantage over its sedan counterpart?

    That is one small slit of a window back there...

    Unless of  course there is Cadillac CT6's rear view mirror camera available for this thing, I aint too impressed.

     

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    With that picture I honestly could have mistaken that for a Nissan Murano.. funky tail lights and"hovering" roof

    3 hours ago, frogger said:

    Really wanted the Terrain or Equinox to be in the running for wife... but it is still bigger than the competition.. Larger than crv and rav4, whioe offering a smaller cargo area than Tucson and Sportage, a full 10 cubic ft less than the Honda and Toyota, and less than the VW Sportwagen as well.   So the new CX5 or CRV are still her preference.

     

    The CX5 is slick. I drove a '16 a couple weeks ago test driving things and I really liked their infotainment setup with the "dial" to scroll through things when you're driving. I was also pleasantly surprised with the power the 2.5 put out. it wasn't blistering fast or anything but it didn't feel near as weak as I expected at 184hp(likely a similar amount of tq) coming from my Escape's 240hp/270tq. I also think it looks best in class by a good margin.

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    Image result for 2016 nissan murano

     

    I could see that...

    I do prefer the Murano over the Terrain.

    Front view, side profile, 3/4 profile. All better looking than the Terrain when compared to the Murano.

    The floating area is better done in the Murano as well.

    The Murano's back window also looks a tad larger than it. Not by much though...

    I prefer the Ford Edge over all of them myself.

    I just don't get it...why the trend to have small back windows...in cars and in SUVs...WTF???!!!

    @dfelt

    Yeah...the guvment conspiracy to protect us...

    Trump will do a fine job doing that Ill tell ya.

    He will tweet our enemies to death blasting them they are over rated terrorists!

    And no...unfortunately I don't remember Time Cop for some reason....

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    34 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

    I just don't get it...why the trend to have small back windows...in cars and in SUVs...WTF???!!!

    I think it's because it doesn't matter if the whole back door was clear glass there are seats that impede your rearward vision anyway. At least that's how my Escape was. The window wasn't itty bitty like these but the top of the seats was at the bottom of the glass, basically.

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    7 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    I think it's because it doesn't matter if the whole back door was clear glass there are seats that impede your rearward vision anyway. At least that's how my Escape was. The window wasn't itty bitty like these but the top of the seats was at the bottom of the glass, basically.

    True True

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    Curiosity kills my cat every day, So here are the side profiles to compare of the following CUVs.

    2018 GMC Terrain

    2018GMC-Terrain-sideProfile.jpg

    2018 Chevy Equinox

    2018-Chevrolet-Equinox-side-profile.jpg

    2017 Ford Escape

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    2017 Ford Edge

    2017-Ford-EdgeSport-Sideprofile.jpg

    2017 Nissan Murano

    2016-Nissan-Murano-Cayenne-Red-Exterior-Side.jpg

    Out of all of them I hate the coupe like roof of the Nissan, The Ford Edge has the best side profile of a CUV / SUV but I hate the rear door slant, like it to be more box like for maximizing the interior cargo space.

    In taking a over all look, I have to say that GMC did an awesome job and nailed it. I really like the floating roof line way better than the Nissan. I have to say it is a toss up for me between the Ford and GMC.

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    Is it me or is there some similarities of the CUVs to this 1939 4 door Buick?

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    Yes I know one is considered a car and the others CUV, but the auto's back then really did sit up high and have space which is what more and more people are going for today.

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    11 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

    True True

    It sucks how poor outward visibility is getting because of safety stuffs.. There seem to be more and more vehicle I get in that seem more and more difficult to see out of. Not impossible or 5th gen Camaro bad but just thick pillars and blind spots and narrow windows.. They're getting to where we NEED the blind spot warnings and backup cameras, oh and the cameras on the noses of cars to see around corners, 360 degree cameras...

    11 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Curiosity kills my cat every day, So here are the side profiles to compare of the following CUVs.

    2018 GMC Terrain

    2018GMC-Terrain-sideProfile.jpg

    2018 Chevy Equinox

    2018-Chevrolet-Equinox-side-profile.jpg

    2017 Ford Edge

    2017-Ford-EdgeSport-Sideprofile.jpg

    2017 Nissan Murano

    2016-Nissan-Murano-Cayenne-Red-Exterior-Side.jpg

    Out of all of them I hate the coupe like roof of the Nissan, The Ford Edge has the best side profile of a CUV / SUV but I hate the rear door slant, like it to be more box like for maximizing the interior cargo space.

    In taking a over all look, I have to say that GMC did an awesome job and nailed it. I really like the floating roof line way better than the Nissan. I have to say it is a toss up for me between the Ford and GMC.

    I never thought I'd say this, but, I like the Equinox more than the Terrain now. I think the Edge looks best in this group, from its profile, easily. But I think a good chunk of that is the angled hatch area which looks like it is sacrificing some cargo space by doing so.

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    So again, curiosity killed my cat again and I wondered, what would a full size SUV be like with a Floating Roof.

    Yes I SUCK at Graphics, but here is what I could do with MSFT Paint and I have to say if they did color the doors to match, this would be a killer look for the YUKON I think.

    Yukon Floating Roof.jpg

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    21 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    nk the Edge looks best in this group, from its profile, easily. But I think a good chunk of that is the angled hatch area which looks like it is sacrificing some cargo space by doing so.

    I'd take the Equinox on looks.. and the Terrain on interior hands down. The Edge I'd take because of the more powerful engine.. but then again... the Edge is not the actual competitor to these.. teh Escape is

     

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    6 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    I'd take the Equinox on looks.. and the Terrain on interior hands down. The Edge I'd take because of the more powerful engine.. but then again... the Edge is not the actual competitor to these.. teh Escape is

     

    Thanks, good catch, updated the images to include the Escape. Still like the edge look over the escape look but would take the Terrain over both of them.

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    23 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    So again, curiosity killed my cat again and I wondered, what would a full size SUV be like with a Floating Roof.

    Yes I SUCK at Graphics, but here is what I could do with MSFT Paint and I have to say if they did color the doors to match, this would be a killer look for the YUKON I think.

    Yukon Floating Roof.jpg

     

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    14 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Thanks, good catch, updated the images to include the Escape. Still like the edge look over the escape look but would take the Terrain over both of them.

    Oh the Edge looks waaaay better than the Escape, IMO. Escape has always been "ehh" to me. Pre 2013, 2013-2015, then 2016+. None of them really looked great to my eyes. That was actually my biggest fear when I bought mine.. I would get sick of its looks too quickly.

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    22 hours ago, Suaviloquent said:

    Oh I just noticed the shifting setup.....why would they do that just for 1 vehicle?

    From the way GM hardware finds itself in a Cadillac and Buick and a Chevy (the new electronic shifter), I'm convinced this might end up maybe in the upcoming Enclave...

    Yeah, the shifter looks horrible, and looks like it will have horrible operation.  Looks worse than the push button setup the MKZ had going on.  I didn't notice it at first either from the pictures, I didn't look that close to them.  Not sure why they didn't use a conventional floor mount or column shifter.

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    3 hours ago, regfootball said:

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    What the hell is that? A custom Aztec? Looks about as good as one! :puke: 

    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    Yeah, the shifter looks horrible, and looks like it will have horrible operation.  Looks worse than the push button setup the MKZ had going on.  I didn't notice it at first either from the pictures, I didn't look that close to them.  Not sure why they didn't use a conventional floor mount or column shifter.

    I actually expect more and more auto's to go with this type of simple switch setup. Cheaper and very flexible on transmissions over a moving gear selector. With everything being electronic anymore, no need for a column or floor mounted shifter that takes up room compared to the flexibility of pushing a button and better than a hockey puck shifter.

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    • My car has a supposed 525 mile highway crusing range on a full tank (19.5 gallons).   I haven't fully tested that since I tend to fill up at 1/2 tank when on road trips..but I have recorded averages of 29.5 and 30 mpg on road trips, which is pretty good for a comfortable 4200lb AWD sedan..
    • @trinacriabob in your flying in recent years, have you had a trip on an A380?    If so, how does it compare to the larger Boeings? 
    • Right.  It's not the aircraft themselves, but the haste and sloppiness.  ("Haste makes waste.")  This 777 X is ambitious and the folding wingtips are novel.  They will be very late with delivering this plane.  I now like some Boeing and some Airbus.  It's a mix.  In the recent past, I took a ride on a Boeing 787 Dreamliner and I definitely like it more than the Airbus 350 (even though the Airbus 350 has that photogenic curved winglets).  The cabin fatigue from flying is much reduced on the Dreamliner. Yesterday, I was on two domestic Boeing 737 Max 8 segments back to back on Southwest.  I like its newer features - ambient lighting, larger bins, a little quieter.  So, if it's working, it's a very nice rendition of the 737.  It's too bad that their newest version of this storied workhorse had to be tainted.  I get on and sigh.  If it keeps a clean track record going forward, people may be less weirded out as the statistics may become better. It is.  However, I'm not a fan of the leg design, which is also now popular on sofas.  The biggest turnoff for me in sofas - when I bought a sleeper for another room with the last stimulus money - was the amount of product that had nailheads all over the place.
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