Detroit Auto Show: 2014 Cadillac ELR

Very Excited for this car, I hope it does really well.

looks excellent in person!

very impressed. came out a lot better than i expected, and the interior is very nice.

I hope this does well!

I love the interior. I like it even more than the ATS interior.

Nice looking car. I wonder how it would do if they had this car offered with no battery and a 2.0 Turbo? It would be a nice option.

I like this car but i would like it more if it performed like a TESLA.

I was very impressed as well...looks gorgeous in the photos, which means it will probably look drop dead sexy in person

Not a wit's improvement in powertrain over the Volt... a total buzzkill.

Gorgeous, empty shell.

They have some good features, but this is basically the same interior look and feature set of other Cadillacs, mainly the XTS and ATS which cost less money and have over 300 hp, not 207. The Lexus Prius bombed, I just can't see this working well, even though the ELR has good styling and the Lexus hybrids have terrible styling.

I do like the Sixteen-style grille on the ELR, I wish that was on the ATS. The ELR front end on a rear drive proportioned car would look good, and the ATS front end just don't pop, it is missing something.

Looking forward to seeing it in person....great interior, dramatic exterior...

The Lexus Prius never looked this good.

The way I see it this car is the best looking Electric car on the market and cost less than the others. It has most of the advantages of the Karma with no bad Karma traits or cost. It also can be driven cross country in days vs weeks like a Tesla and will have better fit and finish.

This is not a car for everyone but it will be big in California and other trendy liberal areas. It will become the see me for this class and will help regenerate the Cadillac image along with the ATS and coming CTS. Each I see as a building block to the future.

As for performance it is just great they did not lose more than 1 mile of range as this is not Volt and has much heavier items on it and in it. The 20 inch wheels along have to add 70 pounds over the Volts.

As for working well? It depends on just what you expect. This is not a 20,000 unit per year car and GM will not saddle it with any high numbers. They learned the hard way they have to grow this segment with the Volt already. As long as they slow but steady growth in this segment it will be all they need to see.

The Electric car is only a part of the auto market not the market nor will it be for some time to come. It will take time for all of them to grow. It will be no different with the Diesel or any other new or different powertrains they may bring out.

I see this car in the same vein as the Range Rover Evoque: both are low-volume but global "boutique" cars that are more about style and design than anything else. Both are contemporary interpretations of traditional brands, and both make a bold statement. ELR will probably cost about the same, too. I figure around $60K fully-loaded.

Considering the majority of the world now lives in cities, I think many--me included--will find this more appealing than a CTS-V coupe because it's more stylish, more compact, quieter and more refined, and less polluting. Luxury and prestige can be quantified in many ways; there are traditional metrics like horsepower and handling, but there are also values like technology and efficiency, which the ELR appears to excel at.

The Voltec powertrain is much more fitting for such a car than something as coarse and ordinary as a turbocharged Ecotec.

Hmmm... I don't recall any reviews of the ATS that depict the 2.0t Ecotec as "coarse and ordinary". Link please.

Having first hand knowledge of the Turbo Eco engines they are no more harsh than the non turbo. In fact they tend to not have to get rev happy for powers so I tend to feel the harshness is cut down.

Vs the Voltec in electric mode now what is not more quiet and smooth than a electic motor.

Drop Dead Sexy! I hope GM gets this placed in some of the Summer 2013 Block Buster Movies so people can get excited about it.

Also remember how happy and satisfied the Volt owners are. Imagine taking that to the next level with the same features plus Cadillac style and luxury.

The neat thing too is this is only one of many more new Cadillacs we will see by 2016.

Also remember how happy and satisfied the Volt owners are. Imagine taking that to the next level with the same features plus Cadillac style and luxury.

That is a very good point. All 27 people who bought a Volt have reported very little, if any, trouble with them. Hopefully, the extra features on the ELR won't change that.

I'd go so far as to say that the ELR is the best-looking Cadillac in the lineup.

And that, is why it will do well.

Seeing the ATS though, and how the body is "stretched" over and around the wheels, makes me think an ATS coupe will be fantastic. Heck, the sedan looks great as is.

They need an ATS coupe to erase this car away. Imagine how good an ATS coupe could look with the ELR's front end. And the ATS coupe would weigh 500 lbs less, and have 100 more hp, use Alpha platform not Delta 2, and cost $10-20,000 less.

They could also make an ATS 2.0 liter diesel with 200 hp and 300 lb-ft of torque that posts 40-45 mpg.

Car and Driver is estimating $60-75,000 for the ELR, 0-60 in 8.0 seconds and top speed of 100 mph. This is a 4070 lb car that is longer than the ATS sedan. The ATS is a really good car and sells about 2,500 a month, I just can't see people paying double ATS money for less car because it goes 30 miles on battery. And if it is about styling, then make the ATS look better and sell more of them.

I do think though that the Gen 3 CTS could kick ass though as Cadillac is finally getting Sixteen and Cien styling cues into their cars and upping the interior quality, and that CTS should have new powertrains that aren't out of the Chevy parts bin.

Just some numbers to consider.

Volt sales

2010 - 1,219

2011 -14,510

2012 - 24,196

Add in Ampera and 2013 sales there are now 50,000 units on the road.

If an ATS coupe materializes, I sure hope it looks more like the ELR and not like the CTS coupe.

I really wanted to like the CTS coupe, but I can't get past the awful chopped-off rear end.

They need an ATS coupe to erase this car away. Imagine how good an ATS coupe could look with the ELR's front end. And the ATS coupe would weigh 500 lbs less, and have 100 more hp, use Alpha platform not Delta 2, and cost $10-20,000 less.

They could also make an ATS 2.0 liter diesel with 200 hp and 300 lb-ft of torque that posts 40-45 mpg.

You realize that not everyone is a speed freak right? The 0-60 may be in the 8 second range but that doesn't mean the car will feel slow in normal driving. Drivers appreciate the low end torque of Voltec. The Fleetwood was also an 8 second car and few people would find that car to be slow in normal driving even today.

Car and Driver is estimating $60-75,000 for the ELR, 0-60 in 8.0 seconds and top speed of 100 mph. This is a 4070 lb car that is longer than the ATS sedan. The ATS is a really good car and sells about 2,500 a month, I just can't see people paying double ATS money for less car because it goes 30 miles on battery. And if it is about styling, then make the ATS look better and sell more of them.

Your favorite Mercedes S-Class 350 bluetec, with as tested price of $113,000 ran 0-60 in 7 seconds.

According to your logic, it is twice the cost of the ELR it should have done the time in half. Even the lowly Camry V6 is faster than that. Chevrolet Silverado Duramax outruns it.

Car and Driver is estimating $60-75,000 for the ELR, 0-60 in 8.0 seconds and top speed of 100 mph. This is a 4070 lb car that is longer than the ATS sedan. The ATS is a really good car and sells about 2,500 a month, I just can't see people paying double ATS money for less car because it goes 30 miles on battery. And if it is about styling, then make the ATS look better and sell more of them.

I do think though that the Gen 3 CTS could kick ass though as Cadillac is finally getting Sixteen and Cien styling cues into their cars and upping the interior quality, and that CTS should have new powertrains that aren't out of the Chevy parts bin.

Aside from the CTS-V which has best in class power anyway, what engines does the CTS have that are out of the Chevy Parts Bin? The 3.6 and 3.0 both went to Cadillac first and both have higher ratings than the same engines in the other divisions (save for Camaro).

The fact is it was not all that long ago there were Cadillacs doing 12 secong 0-60 times.

The majority in this class are not 0-60 people and all they want is something that will merge well with traffic and have a good feel. The Cadillac is more a sensory car where the feel of the interior, the feel of the ride and the lack of noise are what the owners are looking for. If they were looking for peformance they could easily get that cheaper some where else.

The V, AMG and M series vehicles are the odd models out and not the norm that buyers seek. We may get the false impression that they are the most popular since they get most of the press but the normal average V6 model is king of sales and buyers hearts.

In this corperate world we have to accept that engines will be shared with all division and that will not change. The only thing I do hope is GM works to give different tunes with more power to the more expensive cars and I also hope they dress the engines better in the more expensive cars. Lets face it the new LTS should not just be sent out with a cheap black plastic cover on it even if it is a LT1 based engine. Give it more power and dress it up in a little more quality trim. This was the one area my co workers and I feel the Vette missed the boat. Having a V6 Fiero you should see the reactions by many when they find out the trim I have is all stock. A little red poweder coat and 12 point stainless bolts make a very good impression and really only add a small amount to the cost.

The ELR will have permance that will be more than enough for this segment. GM is trying hard of late to create classes of vehicles vs chasing them like they have in the past. The ELR Encore and Verano are trying to create what does not exist. How long have most of us here had wished them to do things that break new segments into the market. It is not easy and nor will all of them make it but they have chosen well in this and delivered product worth a look. Now they need to so is do a good job of selling it.

The ELR will only build on the Volts progress and they did it well with cloaking it in some of the best sheetmetal we have seen in years. GM is showing that if you want electric you no longer have to settle for an easter egg and cheap interior or wonder if you can drive from San Deigo to LA and back in one day. If they can sell 5K the first year it will be a good year and they will advance it from there just as the Volt has. With this kind of technology you have to grow it as so many people really have no clue about it or what it is really like. The ELR will expand the appeal of the Voltec and get more people to understand and take interest.

The ELR Encore and Verano are trying to create what does not exist. How long have most of us here had wished them to do things that break new segments into the market.

This!

It must be working.

I hate FWD, and I'm not big on electrics or small cars.

And I'm known for not loving Cadillac all that much.

Yet, I am falling in love with the ELR.

Whether I can afford it or not -- I can't -- it's certainly aspirational. And that's a good thing.

It must be working.

I hate FWD, and I'm not big on electrics or small cars.

And I'm known for not loving Cadillac all that much.

Yet, I am falling in love with the ELR.

Or you are getting old.

It must be working.

I hate FWD, and I'm not big on electrics or small cars.

And I'm known for not loving Cadillac all that much.

Yet, I am falling in love with the ELR.

Or you are getting old.

Scratch that option as having any bearing!

It's just that the ELR is damn good looking - including the interior.

It must be working.

I hate FWD, and I'm not big on electrics or small cars.

And I'm known for not loving Cadillac all that much.

Yet, I am falling in love with the ELR.

Or you are getting old.

Scratch that option as having any bearing!

It's just that the ELR is damn good looking - including the interior.

Yes it is a beautiful car - if you get a chance see it in person.

I've been telling him he needs to go to Philly later this month

I don't think it will be there, the Vette will not.

Aw man, seriously? No new Stingray? How about '14 Silverado? I know the new Impala will be there, as I've gotten an email from Chevrolet imploring me to buy tickets to the Philly show to see it.

Trucks will likely be there, but I don't know that for sure.

They need an ATS coupe to erase this car away. Imagine how good an ATS coupe could look with the ELR's front end. And the ATS coupe would weigh 500 lbs less, and have 100 more hp, use Alpha platform not Delta 2, and cost $10-20,000 less.

They could also make an ATS 2.0 liter diesel with 200 hp and 300 lb-ft of torque that posts 40-45 mpg.

You realize that not everyone is a speed freak right? The 0-60 may be in the 8 second range but that doesn't mean the car will feel slow in normal driving. Drivers appreciate the low end torque of Voltec. The Fleetwood was also an 8 second car and few people would find that car to be slow in normal driving even today.

I know everyone isn't a speed freak, that is why they should make a turbo 4 diesel for the ATS. It would probably do low 7's in 0-60 and get 40-42 mpg, and it wouldn't cost $60,000, it would be more like $40,000.

Car and Driver is estimating $60-75,000 for the ELR, 0-60 in 8.0 seconds and top speed of 100 mph. This is a 4070 lb car that is longer than the ATS sedan. The ATS is a really good car and sells about 2,500 a month, I just can't see people paying double ATS money for less car because it goes 30 miles on battery. And if it is about styling, then make the ATS look better and sell more of them.

Your favorite Mercedes S-Class 350 bluetec, with as tested price of $113,000 ran 0-60 in 7 seconds.

According to your logic, it is twice the cost of the ELR it should have done the time in half. Even the lowly Camry V6 is faster than that. Chevrolet Silverado Duramax outruns it.

The S350 Bluetec gets 31 mpg, which is a lot more than any of the other big luxo sedans. Plus you can get the V8 for the same cost and that is fast. And the 2014 model can basically drive itself at speeds up to 124 mph, so that puts it in a class of 1.

Car and Driver is estimating $60-75,000 for the ELR, 0-60 in 8.0 seconds and top speed of 100 mph. This is a 4070 lb car that is longer than the ATS sedan. The ATS is a really good car and sells about 2,500 a month, I just can't see people paying double ATS money for less car because it goes 30 miles on battery. And if it is about styling, then make the ATS look better and sell more of them.

I do think though that the Gen 3 CTS could kick ass though as Cadillac is finally getting Sixteen and Cien styling cues into their cars and upping the interior quality, and that CTS should have new powertrains that aren't out of the Chevy parts bin.

Aside from the CTS-V which has best in class power anyway, what engines does the CTS have that are out of the Chevy Parts Bin? The 3.6 and 3.0 both went to Cadillac first and both have higher ratings than the same engines in the other divisions (save for Camaro).

But the 3.6 V6 is all over GM, it is like the Nissan/Infiniti VQ engine. Although in time the 3.6 may be seen less and less in Chevy/Buick models as engines are downsized. But I think it would be nice if the CTS got a turbo V6 and an 8-speed transmission, since Audi and BMW have boosted engines with 8-speeds and Mercedes may introduce a bi-turbo V6.

They need an ATS coupe to erase this car away. Imagine how good an ATS coupe could look with the ELR's front end. And the ATS coupe would weigh 500 lbs less, and have 100 more hp, use Alpha platform not Delta 2, and cost $10-20,000 less.

They could also make an ATS 2.0 liter diesel with 200 hp and 300 lb-ft of torque that posts 40-45 mpg.

You realize that not everyone is a speed freak right? The 0-60 may be in the 8 second range but that doesn't mean the car will feel slow in normal driving. Drivers appreciate the low end torque of Voltec. The Fleetwood was also an 8 second car and few people would find that car to be slow in normal driving even today.

I know everyone isn't a speed freak, that is why they should make a turbo 4 diesel for the ATS. It would probably do low 7's in 0-60 and get 40-42 mpg, and it wouldn't cost $60,000, it would be more like $40,000.

The BMW 3 series hybrid starts at $49k.....I thought they a diesel in the US, but it's not showing up for 2013 on their website.

BMW pulled the 335d, which used to cost about $43k. A 4-cylinder diesel should be cheaper than that, and I suspect the German trio will all have one here sooner rather than later. The problem with diesel, hybrid or electric in the USA is gas is still pretty cheap. If gas were $5 a gallon or $8 like it is in Europe, then diesels and electrics would have more appeal.

The BMW 3 series hybrid starts at $49k.....I thought they a diesel in the US, but it's not showing up for 2013 on their website.

Ahem - Rumorpile: BMW’s Diesel Plans On A Powerpoint Slide

The diesels are coming

Volt can't make a lot of profit for GM.

ELR is basically a Cadillac Volt (albeit a good one). So if Cadillac can make say, 5x as much money on an ELR vs. a Volt because the ELR is a Cadillac, I say go for it.

It's smart amortization in this case. This means the faster they pay the Volt down, the sooner they can appropriate funds for Volt 2, the one that weighs 500 pounds or more less.

Mybig fear with electrics, that somehow they will also become the natural incubator for the whole driverless car push.

The driverless car is on the way electric or not. All that love to drive or have the freedom to go when you want, where you want and how you want should pay attention.

Times and places can be directed as to when or where you go by who ever ends up in charge. They can do it in the name of regulation of traffic flow very easy.

Driverless cars are still a long way off as a practical reality. That's not to say that the tech isn't there, just that real-world application of it on any large scale is years, if not decades, away. I expect to be dead before such cars become mandated - if they ever do. And if that arrives early, well, I'll just have to be an outlaw in my old age.

It would be a very dangerous thing to attempt to stop me from driving.

EDIT: In any case, I see no connection between electric propulsion and driverless cars.

The driverless car is on the way electric or not. All that love to drive or have the freedom to go when you want, where you want and how you want should pay attention.

Times and places can be directed as to when or where you go by who ever ends up in charge. They can do it in the name of regulation of traffic flow very easy.

Due to all the roads NOT on the nav systems, driverless cars will be primarily for cities and major freeways, but not in the country.

Please take the Driverless car topic to the Driverless Car Thread

I feel like a mini Bob Lutz, putting the 2.0t in the ELR to make it bearable while he's in the next garage bay putting the LS9 in the Fisker Coma. HELLO WAKE UP!!!

You need to go out and get a mini RC chopper to fly around the house now since you are Mini Bob.

There you go you can change your forum name to Mini Bob. LOL! .