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    2013 Brings Forth The Camaro 1LE, Navigation


    William Maley

    Staff Writer - CheersandGears.com

    July 18, 2012

    Remember the Camaro 1LE package? No? Well, you're not the only one as the big news in the Camaro world this year has been the ZL1.

    Quick refresher on the Camaro 1LE; like the Mustang lineup which offers a car between the GT and GT500 with the Boss 302, the 1LE takes the middle place between the SS and ZL1.

    So what does the 1LE package offer? Well for starters you get matte black hood, front splitter and rear spoiler. A set of black-finished 10-spoke wheels from the ZL1 come as standard.

    That's not all of the ZL1 goodies you get in the 1LE. The ZL1 also donates some suspension hardware, much of its fuel system, flat-bottom steering wheel, and a short-throw shifter, which is mated to a 1LE exclusive Tremec TR6060-MM6 six-speed manual transmission designed to take abuses from road racing.

    Other bits for 1LE include larger front and rear stabilizer bars, higher-capacity rear-axle half shafts, mono tube rear dampers and a strut tower brace. Those looking for increased power in the 1LE will be disappointed as the 426 HP 6.2L LS3 V8 does its duty.

    Chevrolet says the 1LE Package will be under $40k.

    Meanwhile, In the Navigation Department


    Also coming to the Camaro for the 2013 model year seven-inch touchscreen that will control the car's audio options, including MyLink. The seven-inch touchscreen will be standard across the Camaro lineup. Navigation will be added as an option later in the year.

    William Maley is a staff writer for Cheers & Gears. He can be reached at [email protected] or you can follow him on twitter at @realmudmonster.

    Press Release is on Page 3


    CHEVROLET CAMARO / CAMARO SS

    New for 2013

    • 1LE performance package
    • Dual-mode exhaust available on SS
    • Electric power steering on SS
    • Chevrolet MyLink and color-touch navigation
    • Hill start assist now standard on all manual transmissions
    • ZL1-style shift knob standard on all manual transmissions
    • Remote vehicle start now included on 1LT and 1SS with automatic transmission
    • Blue Ray Metallic exterior color
    • Frameless inside rearview mirror
    • New 18-inch and 20-inch wheel designs
    • Mojave leather interior trim

    2013 CHEVROLET CAMARO RANGE EXPANDS WITH TRACK-READY 1LE PACKAGE

    The road-racing-inspired Camaro 1LE performance package returns for 2013 with unique gearing, suspension tuning and tires that make the model capable of more than 1 g of lateral acceleration and a sub-three minute lap time at Virginia International Raceway’s Grand Course. It is offered on Camaro SS coupes with manual transmissions.

    All Camaro SS models now feature variable-effort electric power steering and an available dual-mode exhaust system on manual transmission-equipped models. Both features were introduced on the Camaro ZL1.

    The 2013 Camaro lineup includes:

    • The 323-horsepower (241 kW) V-6-powered LS coupe and LT coupe and convertible – including the 2LS with an EPA-rated 30 mpg on the highway
    • The Camaro SS coupe and convertible, with a 6.2L V-8 delivering up to 426 horsepower (318 kW)
    • The 580-horsepower (432 kW) supercharged Camaro ZL1 coupe and convertible. (Please see the separate Camaro ZL1 release for complete details.)

    In addition to the new performance features offered on the Camaro SS, all 2013 Camaro models offer a wider range of choices and enhancements that will help it remain America’s most popular sports car. New and revised content includes:

    • Chevrolet MyLink and color-touch radio standard on LT, SS, and ZL1 models
    • Chevrolet MyLink and color-touch radio with GPS map navigation (late availability)
    • Hill start assist now standard on all manual transmissions
    • ZL1-style shift knob standard on all manual transmissions
    • Remote vehicle start now include on 1LT and 1SS with automatic transmission
    • Blue Ray Metallic exterior color
    • Frameless inside rearview mirror
    • New 18-inch and 20-inch wheel designs
    • Mojave leather interior trim.

    1LE details

    The 1LE package is offered on 1SS and 2SS coupe models with an exclusive Tremec TR6060-MM6 six-speed manual transmission. Paired with a numerically higher 3.91 final-drive ratio, the close-ratio gearing of the transmission is tuned for road-racing performance. As with the ZL1, the 1LE transmission features a standard air-to-liquid cooling system for track use.

    The 1LE also features exclusive, monotube rear dampers instead of the twin-tube dampers on SS models. The new hardware allowed engineers to tune the 1LE suspension to focus on optimal body-motion control while preserving much of the ride quality and wheel-motion control of the Camaro SS.

    Other changes to optimize the 1LE for track-day use include:

    • Larger, 27-mm solid front stabilizer bar, and 28-mm solid rear stabilizer bar for improved body control
    • Higher-capacity rear-axle half shafts to cope with increased levels of traction
    • Strut tower brace for improved steering feel and response
    • ZL1-based 20 x 10-inch front and 20 x 10-inch aluminum wheels
    • 285/35ZR20 Goodyear Eagle Supercar G:2 tires front and rear (identical to the front tires for ZL1)
    • ZL1 wheel bearings, toe links and rear shock mounts for improved on-track performance
    • ZL1 high-capacity fuel pump and additional fuel pickups for improved fuel delivery during high-load cornering.

    Visually, the 1LE package is distinguished by its matte black hood, front splitter and rear spoiler – as well as the 10-spoke ZL1-based wheels, which are finished in black. The functional front splitter and rear spoiler contribute to the car’s on-track performance by helping to reduce aerodynamic lift at high speeds.

    Inside, the 1LE package incorporates the ZL1’s flat-bottom steering wheel, trimmed in sueded-microfiber and designed for easier heel-and-toe driving on the racetrack. The quick-acting, short-throw shifter from the ZL1 is also trimmed in sueded-microfiber.

    In anticipation of consumers entering the 1LE in amateur-racing events, Chevrolet is pursuing SCCA approval of the 1LE package for Touring Class competition.

    The Camaro 1LE package was introduced in 1988, inspired by Camaro’s involvement in Pro-Am road racing.

    MyLink details

    Chevrolet’s color touch radio with MyLink infotainment is available on 2013 Camaro LS, SS and ZL1 models. The color touch radio, with a seven-inch touch screen, also can be paired with an available in-dash GPS navigation system – a first for the Camaro.

    The color touch radio with MyLink gives customers a higher level of in-vehicle wireless connectivity and customized infotainment options, while building on the safety and security of OnStar. It seamlessly integrates online services such as Pandora® internet radio and Stitcher SmartRadio® using hands-free voice and touch-screen controls via Bluetooth-enabled phones.

    MyLink adds stereo audio streaming and wireless control of smartphones, building on the voice-activated Bluetooth hands-free calling capability already offered in most Chevy vehicles. The high-resolution, full-color touch screen display makes media selection easy to navigate. MyLink also retains all the capabilities of today’s entertainment functions, including AM/FM/Sirius XM tuners, auxiliary and USB inputs.

    Camaro design and exterior features

    Camaro’s heritage-inspired interior and exterior convey sportiness through iconic design cues. A rear spoiler is standard on all models and a variety of stripe packages offers a broad range of personalization features.

    LT and SS models are available with the RS package, which adds 20-inch wheel, body-color roof moldings and antenna, as well as high-intensity discharge headlamps. Eighteen-inch wheels are standard on LS and LT model, with 20-inch wheels standard on SS.

    The Camaro convertible brings top-down driving fun and style to LT and SS models. And because the architecture for the fifth-generation Camaro was designed to accommodate a convertible model, it gives the cars coupe-like driving dynamics. Four strategic reinforcements enhance the already-stiff body structure to quell the cowl and steering wheel shake common in convertibles. They include:

    • A tower-to-tower brace under the hood
    • A transmission support reinforcement brace
    • Underbody tunnel brace
    • Front “X” brace and stiffer cradle as well as rear underbody “V” braces.

    All convertible models feature a standard rear vision camera system. It is also standard on 2LT and 2SS models and available on 1LT and 1SS.

    Exterior colors include Summit White, Black, Crystal Red Tintcoat, Victory Red, Rally Yellow, Inferno Orange Metallic, Ashen Grey Metallic and Blue Ray Metallic. The convertible top color choices include black and beige.

    Camaro interior features

    Camaro’s well-executed balance of heritage and contemporary features provides a fun and comfortable environment for up to four. An ambient lighting package on 2LT and 2SS trims gives the interior a special glow with LED light pipe technology.

    Driver and passenger seats feature six-way adjustable settings (fore/aft, up/down and tilt), with power recline front seats that are standard on LT and SS models. Heated, leather-trimmed seats are part of the 2LT and 2SS trim packages.

    Additional comfort and convenience include a standard driver’s foot rest (dead pedal), power windows with express up/down, an auxiliary gauge panel in the center console – standard in 2LT and 2SS – and a new ZL1-inspired shift knob for all manual transmissions. A leather-wrapped, three-spoke steering wheel is standard on LT and SS.

    A head-up display, which projects key instrument, Turn-by-Turn navigation and audio system details on the windshield, is part of the 2LT and 2SS trim packages. And complementing the new MyLink infotainment system is a six-speaker sound system on LS, 1LT and 1SS. A 245-watt, Boston Acoustic nine-speaker sounds system is standard on 2LT and 2SS – and available on 1LT and 1SS.

    Interior color and trim choices include Black, Beige, Gray, Inferno Orange and Mojave. The Inferno Orange and Mojave combinations include contrast stitching and other details.

    Camaro powertrains

    Standard in LS and LT models is the LFX-code 3.6L V-6, rated at 323 horsepower (241 kW) and enabling EPA-estimated 30-mpg highway mileage (2LS model). Many lightweight engine features contribute to that, including an integrated cylinder head/exhaust manifold design that saves about 13 pounds per engine, when compared with a conventional, non-integrated design.

    Two 6.2L V-8 engines are offered in the Camaro SS, including the L99 on automatic-equipped vehicles and the LS3 on manual-equipped models. Horsepower for the L99 is 400 (298 kW) at 5,900 rpm and torque is 410 lb.-ft. (556 Nm) at 4,300 rpm. The LS3 develops 426 horsepower (318 kW) and 420 lb.-ft. (569 Nm). Output on the L99 is lower than the LS3 because of a slightly lower compression ratio (10.4:1 vs. 10.7:1) and design features of the Active Fuel Management system.

    All Camaro models can be equipped with either a six-speed manual or six-speed automatic transmission with TapShift.

    Equipment and features include:

    • The Aisin AY6 six-speed manual is standard with the 3.6L engine, and a Hydra-Matic 6L50 six-speed automatic is optional
    • A Tremec TR 6060 six-speed manual is standard on the SS, and the Hydra-Matic 6L80 six-speed automatic is optional
    • The SS model’s Tremec TR6060 six-speed manual is designed to handle the high torque characteristics of the LS3 engine and is matched with a 3.45:1 final drive ratio
    • A close-ratio version of the Tremec TR6060 is used with the 1LE package and is matched with a 3.91 final drive ratio
    • Hill start assist is standard on all manual transmissions.

    A dual-mode exhaust system is available on Camaro SS models with the six-speed manual transmission. Similar to the systems found on the ZL1 and Corvette models, this vacuum-actuated system provides a quieter driving experience at low engine speeds and a more aggressive sound at when aggressive acceleration is called for.

    Camaro chassis and suspension

    Camaro features fully independent front and rear suspensions, with the rear suspension featuring a 4.5-link system that includes a unique, L-shaped upper control arm that attaches to the knuckle at one end and incorporates a ride bushing in the rear. A sub-frame at the rear is double-isolated to minimize vehicle body motions and dampen road imperfections. Coil-over shock absorbers are used in the rear with a decoupled, hollow stabilizer bar. The front suspension has a dual-ball strut system, with a direct-acting stabilizer bar.

    Four suspension packages are offered: FE2 sport on LS and LT models; FE3 on SS Convertible models, FE4 performance on SS Coupe models and the FE6 with the 1LE Performance Package.

    Four-wheel disc brakes are standard on all models – including Brembo four-piston calipers on SS – with hydraulic brake assist. StabiliTrak electronic stability control is standard on all models. Competitive/sport mode on SS models enhances on-track performance and Performance Launch Control on SS models with the manual transmission optimizes hard-acceleration launches for quicker, more consistent performance.

    New for 2013, an electric power steering system developed for the ZL1 is standard on all SS. This variable ratio, variable effort system provides light efforts for easy maneuverability at parking-lot speeds as well as increased resistance at higher speeds, providing more feedback and a more direct steering feel.

    Camaro safety and crash-avoidance features

    The Camaro is designed to help drivers avoid crashes, while protecting occupants in the event a crash occurs. A strong body structure is designed to absorb crash energy and provide a protective “safety cage” around occupants. In fact, the 2012 Camaro was the first passenger car to receive NHTSA’s revised quadruple 5-star safety rating.

    Additional features include:

    • Six standard air bags include side curtain air bags, which provide head protection for outboard passengers in the event of a side-impact or rollover crash
    • Rear Vision Package includes a rearview camera system to complement the rear park assist feature (standard on 2LT and 2SS; available on 1LT and 1SS)
    • StabiliTrak electronic stability control system helps reduce the risk of rollover crashes by keeping the vehicle in the driver’s intended path by applying throttle, braking or a combination of both
    • Standard four-wheel disc brake system featuring smooth, quiet operation, longer pad life and more resistance to brake pulsation
    • Pretensioners minimize forward movement during a collision, and are standard on the front safety belts. Load-limiting retractors cinch the belt more tightly
    • Standard tire pressure monitoring system
    • Standard remote keyless entry (RKE) system provides a second function for the red panic button. Drivers can use it to locate their cars without sounding the panic alarm.

    OnStar details

    Six months of OnStar Directions and Connections service is standard on all Camaro models. OnStar is the global leading provider of connected safety, security and mobility solutions and advanced information technology.

    OnStar’s RemoteLink Mobile App allows smartphone users to control vehicle functions, access vehicle information and send directions directly to the vehicle. A new, opt-in service called FamilyLink allows subscribers to stay connected to loved ones by checking the location of their vehicle online or by signing up for vehicle location alerts.

    Camaro also features new OnStar button icons. Drivers will notice an updated look for the Hands-Free Calling button, blue OnStar button and red Emergency button.

    More information about OnStar can be found at www.onstar.com.

    # # #

    For immediate release

    2013 CAMARO / CAMRO SS SPECIFICATIONS

    Overview

    Models:

    Chevrolet Camaro LS, LT and SS

    Body style / driveline:

    four-passenger, front-engine, rear-drive coupe

    Construction:

    unitized body frame, one- and two-sided galvanized steel

    EPA vehicle class:

    coupe

    Manufacturing location:

    Oshawa, Ontario, Canada

    Key competitors:

    Dodge Challenger, Ford Mustang, Nissan 370Z

    Engines

    3.6L V-6 DI VVT (LFX)

    6.2L V-8 (LS3, L99)

    Application:

    LS, LT

    SS

    Type:

    3.6L V-6

    6.2L V-8

    Displacement (cu in / cc):

    217 / 3564

    376 / 6162

    Bore & stroke (in / mm):

    3.70 x 3.37 / 94 x 85.6

    4.06 x 3.62 / 103.25 x 92

    Block material:

    cast aluminum w/ cast-in-place iron bore liners

    cast aluminum w/ cast-in-place iron bore liners

    Cylinder head material:

    aluminum

    aluminum

    Valvetrain:

    DOHC; four valves per cylinder; continuously variable valve timing’

    overhead valve; two valves per cylinder; roller lifters; Active Fuel Management (L99)

    Ignition system:

    electronic individual coil-on-plug; individual cylinder knock control and extended-life platinum-tipped spark plugs

    coil-near-plug ignition

    Fuel delivery:

    direct fuel injection

    sequential fuel injection

    Compression ratio:

    11.5:1

    10.7:1 (LS3); 10.4:1 (L99)

    Horsepower (hp / kW @ rpm):

    323 / 241 @ 6800*

    426 / 318 @ 5900 (LS3)*

    400 / 298 @ 5900 (L99)*

    Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm):

    278 / 377@ 4800*

    420 / 569 @ 4600 (LS3)*

    410 / 556 @ 4300 (L99)*

    Recommended fuel:

    regular unleaded

    premium recommended not required

    Maximum engine speed (rpm):

    7200

    6200 (L99)

    6600 (LS3)

    Emissions controls:

    evaporative emissions system, catalytic converter, equal-length exhaust, dual close coupled and dual under floor catalytic converters, positive crankcase ventilation, intake and exhaust cam phasers, electronic throttle control

    evaporative system, close-coupled catalytic converters, positive crankcase ventilation, electronic throttle control

    EPA-estimated fuel economy (city / hwy):

    18 / 29 (auto)

    19 / 30 (auto, 2LS model)

    17 / 28 (man)

    16 / 25 (auto)

    16 / 24 (man)

    *SAE certified.

    Transmissions

    Hydra-Matic 6L50 six-speed automatic (LS, LT) w/ TAPshift

    Hydra-Matic 6L80 six-speed automatic (SS) w/ TAPshift

    Aisin AY6 six-speed manual (LS, LT)

    Tremec TR6060 six-speed manual (SS)

    Tremec TR6060 six-speed manual (SS w/1LE)

    Gear ratios (:1):

    First:

    4.06

    4.03

    4.48

    3.01

    2.66

    Second:

    2.37

    2.36

    2.58

    2.07

    1.78

    Third:

    1.55

    1.53

    1.63

    1.43

    1.30

    Fourth:

    1.16

    1.15

    1.19

    1.00

    1.00

    Fifth:

    0.85

    0.85

    1.00

    0.84

    0.74

    Sixth:

    0.67

    0.67

    0.75

    0.57

    0.50

    Reverse:

    3.20

    3.06

    3.67

    3.28

    2.90

    Final drive ratio:

    3.27

    2.92 (2LS)

    3.27

    3.27

    3.45

    3.91

    Chassis / Suspension

    Front:

    double-ball-joint, multi-link strut; direct-acting stabilizer bar; progressive-rate coil springs; fully adjustable camber, caster and toe; 27mm solid stabilizer bar (1LE)

    Rear:

    4.5-link independent; progressive-rate coil springs over shocks; stabilizer bar; fully adjustable camber and toe; 28mm solid stabilizer bar and specific half-shafts (1LE)

    Steering type:

    variable-ratio rack-and-pinion; electric variable power steering (SS)

    Steering ratio:

    16.1:1

    Steering wheel turns, lock-to-lock:

    2.5

    Turning circle, curb-to-curb (ft / m):

    37.7 / 11.5

    Brakes

    Type:

    four-wheel disc w/ ABS; ventilated front and rear rotors; single-piston front calipers and single-piston alloy rear calipers (LS, LT); four-piston fixed Brembo aluminum front and rear calipers (SS, incl. 1LE)

    Rotor diameter, front (in / mm):

    LS, LT: 12.64 / 321

    SS: 14 / 355

    Rotor diameter, rear (in / mm):

    LS, LT: 12.4 / 315

    SS: 14.4 / 365

    Rotor thickness, front (in / mm):

    LS, LT: 1.18 / 30

    SS: 1.26 / 32

    Rotor thickness, rear (in / mm):

    LS, LT: 0.9 / 23

    SS: 1.1 / 28

    Wheels / Tires

    LS

    LT

    SS

    Wheel size and type:

    18 x 7.5-in. steel

    18 x 7.5-in. aluminum

    19 x 8-in. aluminum

    20 x 8-in. aluminum (front)

    20 x 9-in. aluminum (rear)

    20 x 10-in. aluminum (front w/ 1LE)

    20 x 10-in. aluminum (rear w/ 1LE)

    Tires:

    P245/55R18 all-season

    P245/55R18 all-season

    P245/50R19 all-season

    P245/45ZR20 summer (front)

    P275/40ZR20 summer (rear)

    P285/35ZR20 (front/rear w/ 1LE)

    Dimensions

    Exterior

    Wheelbase (in / mm):

    112.3 / 2852

    Overall length (in / mm):

    190.4 / 4836

    Overall width (in / mm):

    75.5 / 1918

    Overall height (in / mm):

    54.2 / 1376

    Track, front (in / mm):

    63.7 / 1618

    Track, rear (in / mm):

    64.1 / 1628 (LS, LT)

    63.7 / 1618 (SS)

    Curb weight (lb / kg):

    3769 / 1713 – LS w/ automatic

    3780 / 1718 – LS w/ manual

    3750 / 1701 – LT w/ automatic

    3741 / 1697 – LT w/ manual

    3913 / 1775 – SS w/ automatic

    3860 / 1751 – SS w/ manual

    Weight balance (% front / rear):

    52 / 48

    Coefficient of drag:

    0.37 (LS, LT); 0.35 (SS)

    Interior

    Seating capacity (front / rear):

    2 / 2

    Headroom (in / mm):

    front: 37.4 / 950

    rear: 35.3 / 897

    Legroom (in / mm):

    front: 42.4 / 1077

    rear: 29.9 / 757

    Shoulder room (in / mm):

    front: 56.9 / 1444

    rear: 42.5 / 1080

    Capacities

    Cargo volume (cu ft / L):

    11.3 / 320

    Fuel tank (gal / L):

    19 / 71.9

    Engine oil (qt / L):

    3.6L: 7.6 / 7.2

    6.2L: 8.9 / 8.5

    Note: Information shown is current at time of publication.

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    The gallery I saw representing the 2013 Camaro showed a wheel design that looks exactly like the current wheel. I am wondering what is going on there, unless the change is so subtle that I can't notice the difference.

    Also, I'd really like to see a picture of the Mojave interior.

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    Sounds like a nice setup. Just think of the car being all Matte Black with limo tinted windows and remove all identification trim and then supercharge the engine so you have the ultimate sleeper with this tranny!

    Manual Love! :metal:

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    The gallery I saw representing the 2013 Camaro showed a wheel design that looks exactly like the current wheel. I am wondering what is going on there, unless the change is so subtle that I can't notice the difference.

    Also, I'd really like to see a picture of the Mojave interior.

    A member of Camaro5 scanned and posted the 2013 Camaro catalog. Plenty of information there, including the new wheel design and Mojave interior option. I think the wheels are 'eh' but the Mojave interior color looks pretty nice.

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    These special models are just what they need to keep things going. I love this car but it is starting to look a little old since we lived with it since the show car till production and since then it has not really changed it's look.

    I am excited about the new Alpha one coming based on what we do know and can only imagine the suprises we don't know. The styling is the only thing I really wished I knew more on. It has to make a statment but be very driver friendly.

    I also hope they can hold the line on price with the next one. They can not afford for this car to get any more expensive for the younger buyers. I hope they keep a very sporty lower priced one to go with the higher priced special editions.

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    The gallery I saw representing the 2013 Camaro showed a wheel design that looks exactly like the current wheel. I am wondering what is going on there, unless the change is so subtle that I can't notice the difference.

    Also, I'd really like to see a picture of the Mojave interior.

    A member of Camaro5 scanned and posted the 2013 Camaro catalog. Plenty of information there, including the new wheel design and Mojave interior option. I think the wheels are 'eh' but the Mojave interior color looks pretty nice.

    Yo AAS, thanks for posting that. The Mojave interior is sweet. I see the difference in all the wheels now except for the LS, with the 1LT wheel the most noticeably different.

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    I'm excited about the Alpha as well, but unfortunately it won't be coming in time for me. I'm looking to purchase in the next 12-18 months. Regarding "holding the line" on price, I agree. I'm not even a young kid (34) but on a single income and a house/wife/2 kids to support, it ain't easy purchasing a $30K+ car these days. And I'm just looking at the 1LT, might even have to skip the $900 sunroof!

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    I'm excited about the Alpha as well, but unfortunately it won't be coming in time for me. I'm looking to purchase in the next 12-18 months. Regarding "holding the line" on price, I agree. I'm not even a young kid (34) but on a single income and a house/wife/2 kids to support, it ain't easy purchasing a $30K+ car these days. And I'm just looking at the 1LT, might even have to skip the $900 sunroof!

    Best way to get what you really want is to buy a 2 or 3year old Lease return that is done up under the GM Certified Used cars program. That way avoid the depreciation hit and get a much more loaded auto.

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    I'm excited about the Alpha as well, but unfortunately it won't be coming in time for me. I'm looking to purchase in the next 12-18 months. Regarding "holding the line" on price, I agree. I'm not even a young kid (34) but on a single income and a house/wife/2 kids to support, it ain't easy purchasing a $30K+ car these days. And I'm just looking at the 1LT, might even have to skip the $900 sunroof!

    Best way to get what you really want is to buy a 2 or 3year old Lease return that is done up under the GM Certified Used cars program. That way avoid the depreciation hit and get a much more loaded auto.

    Yeah, I thought about that. Not a huge fan of buying used, especially a sports car unless I know the owner and how it was taken care of. But you're right, the depreciation hit and options for the value are huge. We'll see what happens when the time comes to purchase. These end of model year deals are pretty enticing...

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    I'm excited about the Alpha as well, but unfortunately it won't be coming in time for me. I'm looking to purchase in the next 12-18 months. Regarding "holding the line" on price, I agree. I'm not even a young kid (34) but on a single income and a house/wife/2 kids to support, it ain't easy purchasing a $30K+ car these days. And I'm just looking at the 1LT, might even have to skip the $900 sunroof!

    Best way to get what you really want is to buy a 2 or 3year old Lease return that is done up under the GM Certified Used cars program. That way avoid the depreciation hit and get a much more loaded auto.

    Yeah, I thought about that. Not a huge fan of buying used, especially a sports car unless I know the owner and how it was taken care of. But you're right, the depreciation hit and options for the value are huge. We'll see what happens when the time comes to purchase. These end of model year deals are pretty enticing...

    I just purchased a couple months back a 2008 Trailblazer SS that was GM certified and over all, while I have a few nicks to get touched up and due to having babies in the back seat, so a few spots to clean on the leather and carpet, I am very pleased with the deal I got spending less than half of what this fully loaded baby cost new.

    I totally love new, but am all for saving money with a 1 or 2 year old car that is GM certified.

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    • Sending a Christmas eve chuckle your way: Here's Dyan Cannon, who has again poured herself into her clothing, to attend a Lakers game, which she does often. It looks like she can easily fit down many chimneys.  Maybe even into a Christmas gift stocking. I find the different chapters of Dyan Cannon humorous.
    • @Drew Dowdell @Robert Hall @trinacriabob @A Horse With No Name @ccap41 @surreal1272 @oldshurst442  And including all of the C&G members that are here that I do not interact with often enough or those I have forgotten their handles. Wishing each and every one of you a Merry Xmas Eve and Merry Xmas.  To those that do not celebrate Xmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays, Happy time off. Wishing each and every person here a restful end to the year, one of love, respect, relaxation to you and your families. Wishing all the best!
    • MOU means that these companies have signed a "Memorandum of Understanding" to explore the participation, involvement and synergy sharing in relation to the business integration through a joint holding company. Back in August 1st, 2024 Nissan and Honda created a Joint Holding Company for the commencement of a strategic partnership focused on intelligence and electrification. This was to start the consideration towards integration of the two companies. Mitsubishi Motors has now signed onto this MOU to explore the possibility of achieving synergies at an increased level through business participation or integration. In basic terms, the three companies have agreed to join forces in sharing costs to move forward with EV platform R&D while they also look at the ICE "Internal Combustion Engine" gas side of having shared platforms to reduce costs and hopefully save the three auto companies by keeping them alive.  While Nissan and Honda have agreed to move forward in this integration of the two auto companies, Mitsubishi Motors will make a final decision by the end of January 2025 about possibly joining in with the integration of Mitsubishi Motors into this joint 3 auto company venture. Nissan and Honda have already agreed to a full SDV or Software-defined vehicles program moving forward that will allow them to have a solid crucial collaboration of intelligence and electrification for future products. Both companies have stated that the acceleration of technology and the rapid change of the auto industry will allow these two companies to maintain global competitiveness and deliver more attractive products and services for customers worldwide. Nissan global mobility product line merged with Honda four-wheel-vehicles, motor cycles and power products can allow both companies to become more attractive to shareholders and innovation of products to sell to customers worldwide according to the CEOs of both companies. Nissan and Honda have stated the following: Nissan and Honda aim to become a world-class mobility company with sales revenue exceeding 30 trillion yen ($190 Billion U.S. Dollars) and operating profit of more than 3 trillion yen ($19 billion U.S. Dollars). The expected synergies from the business integration at this time are: 1. Scale advantages by standardizing vehicle platforms By standardizing the vehicle platforms of both companies across various product segments, the companies expect to create stronger products, reduce costs, enhance development efficiencies, and improve investment efficiencies through standardized production processes. The integration is projected to increase sales and operational volumes, allowing the companies to reduce development costs per vehicle, including for future digital services, while maximizing profits. By accelerating the mutual complementation of their global vehicle offerings - including ICE, HEV, PHEV, and EV models - Nissan and Honda will be better positioned to meet diverse customer needs around the world and deliver optimal products, leading to improved customer satisfaction. 2. Enhancement of development capabilities and cost synergies through the integration of R&D functions In accordance with the MOU to deepen strategic partnership and the joint research agreement on fundamental technologies dated August 1, the two companies have started joint research in fundamental technologies in the area of vehicle platforms for next-generation software-defined vehicles (SDVs), which is the cornerstone of the field of intelligence. After the business integration, both companies will encompass more integrated collaboration across all R&D functions, including fundamental research and vehicle application technology research. This approach is expected to enable both companies to efficiently and swiftly enhance their technological expertise, achieving both improvements in development capabilities and reductions in development costs through the integration of overlapping functions.   3. Optimizing manufacturing systems and facilities The companies anticipate that optimizing their manufacturing plants and energy service facilities, combined with improved collaboration through the shared use of production lines, will result in a substantial improvement in capacity utilization leading to a decrease in fixed costs.   4. Strengthening competitive advantages across the supply chain through the integration of purchasing functions To fully leverage the synergies from optimizing development and production capacity, both companies intend to boost their competitiveness by improving and streamlining purchasing operations and source common parts from the same the supply chain and in collaboration with business partners.   5. Realizing cost synergies through operational efficiency improvements The companies expect that the integration of systems and back-office operations, along with the upgrade and standardization of operational processes, will drive significant cost reductions.   6. Acquisition of scale advantages through integration in sales finance functions By integrating relevant areas of sales finance functions of both companies and expanding the scale of operations, the companies aim to provide a range of mobility solutions, including new financial services throughout the vehicle lifecycle, to customers of both organizations.   7. Establishment of a talent foundation for intelligence and electrification The human resources of the companies are an invaluable asset, and establishing a strong human resource foundation is crucial for the transformation that will come with the business integration. After the integration, increased employee exchanges and technical collaboration between the companies are expected to promote further skill development. Moreover, by leveraging each company's access to talent markets, attracting exceptional talent will become more attainable. Method of business integration and stock listing Nissan and Honda, with the result of the consideration, plan to establish, through a joint share transfer, a joint holding company that will be the parent company of both companies. This will be subject to approval at each company's general meeting of shareholders and obtaining necessary approvals from relevant authorities for this business integration, based on the premise that Nissan's turnaround*1 actions are steadily executed. Both Nissan and Honda will be fully owned subsidiaries of the joint holding company*2. Additionally, the companies plan to continue coexisting and developing the brands held by Honda and Nissan equally. Shares of the newly established joint holding company under consideration are planned to be newly listed (technical listing) on the Prime Market of the Tokyo Stock Exchange (“TSE”). The listing is scheduled for August 2026. With the listing of the joint holding company, both Nissan and Honda will become wholly owned subsidiaries of the joint holding company and will be scheduled to be delisted from the TSE. However, shareholders of both companies will continue to be able to trade shares of the joint holding company issued during this share transfer on the TSE. The listing date of the joint holding company and the delisting date of both Nissan and Honda will be determined in accordance with the regulations of the TSE. Regarding the organizational structure of the joint holding company, and both companies which will become wholly-owned subsidiaries of the joint holding company after the business integration, the optimal structure for realizing synergies, including the integration of R&D functions, purchasing functions, and manufacturing functions, will be discussed and considered within the integration preparatory committee, with the aim of establishing an organizational structure that enables efficient and highly competitive business operations after the business integration. The CEO's of all three companies had the following to say: Marking the announcement, Nissan Director, President, CEO and Representative Executive Officer Makoto Uchida said: “Honda and Nissan have begun considering a business integration, and will study the creation of significant synergies between the two companies in a wide range of fields. It is significant that Nissan's partner, Mitsubishi Motors, is also involved in these discussions. We anticipate that if this integration comes to fruition, we will be able to deliver even greater value to a wider customer base.“ Honda Director and Representative Executive Officer Toshihiro Mibe said: "At this time of change in the automobile industry, which is said to occur once every 100 years, we hope that Mitsubishi Motors' participation in the business integration discussions of Nissan and Honda will lead to further social change, and that we will be able to become a leading company in creating new value in mobility through business integration. Nissan and Honda will start the discussion from today onwards with an aim to clarify the possibility of business integration by around the end of January in line with the consideration of Mitsubishi Motors." Comment from Mitsubishi Motors Director, Representative Executive Officer, and President and CEO Takao Kato said: “In an era of change in the automotive industry, the study between Nissan and Honda about a business integration will accelerate synergy maximization effects, bringing high value also to the collaborative businesses with Mitsubishi Motors. In order to realize synergies and to make the best use of each company's strengths, we will also study the best form of cooperation.” Upon looking at the press releases, it makes total sense that these companies would look to merge as each company is having a challanging time. Nissan globally has seen a 33.7% reduction in sales taking the estimated 2024 market share to 5.2%.  Honda globally has seen a 9% reduction over all with a 32% reduction in the asian rim leaving them with a 2024 estimated 5.4% market share. Mitsubishi Motors globally has seen a reduction year over year of a 10.7% drop leaving them with a 2024 estimated market share of 4.6%. All three auto companies lag the industry in technology connected auto's, feature / functions and especially EVs. All three companies have seen their profits turn into negative earnings for their respective companies leaving them with no real ability to perform R&D in building EVs to compete in China or the U.S. let alone Europe that has mandates in place for the end of ICE by 2035. End result is it looks like for these companies to survive, merging into one company that shares platforms and technology especially in the software and battery sectors will be the only way to move forward. View full article
    • I think I'm dreaming ... this vehicle would be the oldest of my handful of favorite "blast from the past" cars. A Cutlass Salon coupe in perfect condition, the first year I liked the colonnade Cutlass (and it's last year, of 3, with round headlamps in the colonnade), those huge bucket seats, and, oddly, A/C is there, but with manual windows.  It featured the new but not as popular 260 (4.3L) V8.  It also featured the light enamel blue they didn't repeat.  If the exhaust system is tight, this car will be whisper quiet. 1975 Oldsmobile Cutlass Salon (Numbers Matching Drivetrain) for sale: photos, technical specifications, description See anything odd?  Come on.  Quick. . . . It has Buick rally wheels instead of Oldsmobile rally wheels. * sigh ... I wonder what time frame this ad goes back to *
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