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That got a chuckle.

Well in that case the CSX isn't a rebadge of the CA Civic at all. Different head lights, bumper, grille, hood, fenders, side mirrors, tail lights, rear bumper, and trunk lid (I'm probably forgetting some things). All non-interchangable.

Well as long as they aren't doing it here, I don't care. And yes you're still going to hear comments about how GM rebadges their cars. Let's see, Honda of Canada rebadges ONE car, and you think they're on the same level as GM when it comes to rebadgings? At least they used the JDM style head & tail lights.

That's Canadia for ya.

Good point. The Accord 5sp Automatic value package starts at $19,025 (only $800 more than the manual model), which makes it even more appealing than the Camry (not to mention the Accord offers a 6sp manual option, for those who want that).

They do. You can tell the real ones (around $50 each new) from the Pep boys ones because the Pep boys ones fade to pink before too long

This is the Europe only one, and is obviously built off the Europe-only Civic hatchback. It's a little over the top, but remember this is a concept. I think it would look awesome in black, the yellow is kind of loud. The Red honda emblems have been on the Type R's since 1994.

Don't worry, it won't come over here.

From here: Does it scratch your butt too when it itches? heehee. This thing sounds pretty good when combined with the HES, and to think we might have it in 4-5 years (well not us, since we always get things a year or two after they debut in Japan). Hopefully it will go over better than GM's electric cars did. It sounds like they have the range up to a normal gasoline car, and by the time it's released, probably a lot more.

I don't understand why the GTO didn't go anywhere, it is a great performance car for the price, probably even more bang for the buck than the corvette. It probably had to due the most with styling, it didn't really look like what it was trying to be.

2007 Camry 2.4L 158 HP @ 6,000 RPM 161 TQ @ 4,000 RPM 5sp Manual MPG: 24/34 5sp Auto MPG: 24/33 Curb Weight: ?? 2003-2006 Accord 2.4L 166 HP @ 5800 RPM 160 TQ @ 4000 RPM 5sp Manual MPG: 26/34 5sp Auto MPG: 24/34 Curb Weight (avg between manual and auto): 3,177 lbs Starting prices for both base models are within $100 of each other. Shouldn't the new Camry (considering the 4cyl models are the most popular) be better than the old Accord? From those numbers, they look pretty close, with a slight edge going to the Accord.

They should have shot for 200hp and made all those other cars look weak.

Ok I gotcha. The TL with a similar V6 engine handles the power well (rated to 270hp). With the proper suspension geometry (among other things), they could make the RL handle fine with 300hp FWD (for a luxury car). RWD would still be better, and I'm still crossing my fingers for a 4.0L production V8 (it seems the next logical step from 3.5L V6 and they already make 4.0L V8's for some of their racing engines), but I don't think we'll see a RWD RL platform until a FMC. The rumors of the V10 Acura (not the next NSX), that is supposed to be a luxury super car similar to an Aston Martin, could be the next RL. It may be RWD, but I wouldn't be surprised to see SH-AWD. I don't think SH-AWD is a result of FWD not being good enough though. They could have just used a regular gear driven AWD system on the RL to overcome that. SH-AWD is designed to use all the good handling attributed of RWD, without any of the negatives (oversteer). It is kind of a technical show-off, which is why I said the packaging of the RL may be off, it doesn't really need SH-AWD.

With the exception of the typical ugly Korean/Chinese front grille, it looks really good. It looks bigger than it is.

You're still missing my point. Legwork implies looking up the actual numbers and comparing them to other vehicles, looking up features and comparing them to other vehicles in its price range, etc. Then when you say things like "heavy, slow, dull to look at", you then provide the numbers and show the research you've done so that what you've said has some sort of credibility. Again, show me actual legwork and I may actually give your posts a second thought. Show me lap times in unbiased comparisons of the Corvette "spanking" other cars double its price (what about a Mitsubishi Evo?). Show me why the RL is overpriced, do you even know what kind of features come on it? I'm not saying the RL is the best example of packaging, but the 49k+ price tag doesn't come out of thin air. They can't distribute the power to two wheels? I don't get what you're trying to say. It employs the AWD system, because it is better than distributing the power to just two wheels (front or rear), aside from the extra weight. GM has been doing what? Using AWD?

Is there even any point in arguing with you if you aren't going to do any legwork yourself and actually learn about what you are trying to bash? Just saying things like the RL is a sad excuse for a luxury car is like me saying the Corvette is a sad excuse for a sports car. Why don't you give some reasons at least rather than pointing out a bunch of cheaper cars that have less sophisticated AWD systems than the RL? Admittedly the RL doesn't really need a system like SH-AWD. It is a bit overkill for a luxury car, but it does make it handle extremely well. It would be better off with a regular gear driven AWD system or plain FWD/RWD. That would lower the weight some as well as the cost. It might even give a little more rear passenger room (the rear differential in the SH-AWD system is large).

The hybrid model will most likely be released at the same time as the Fit gets its FMC (full model change), which would be next year most likely for the other markets. The USDM may not see it until a year after that (which is the usual trend). The point of hybridizing a Fit, is you can get the great fuel economy of the Insight (with a 1.0L IMA system), but have the room and number of doors of the Fit (since the gas tank is below passenger seat, the battery system won't take up much more room where the gas tank normally goes on other cars) and its practicallity. Also, if it will be 16-17k, it will be very affordable, and aside from the Insight, might actually be an economically (as well as environmentally) good hybrid buying choice.

I wasn't comparing the car to anything, I was just saying 170hp seems low for a supercharged 1.6L engine, specially in a "hot hatch". The engines are understandably designed with a low rpm TQ curve in mind, but that may not be the best way for a sports oriented car.

So a fault in the OBD system that may cause you to fail emissions. After reading that whole thing, it doesn't seem bad, free service, including things not directly related to the OBD system. Still a hastle. At least they didn't send you a letter saying your car is in demand and they'll buy it back for above market value

Note that the article is implying the Japanese/European market prices, which are less than the American market Fit (which has more features, safety, etc), but they do state it will be sold globally (and it is assumed it will be at the same time as a full model update). If the Hybrid is planned to be around $2-3k more than the base model, we could see a Fit Hybrid for around 16-17k.

Link to article

Damn that front end is hideous. Other than the front end, the rest looks very nice and solid. Makes the Scion Van look even worse than it already did. It looks like a winner. But... 170hp 1.6L supercharged? Isn't that a little low on the output? I mean, I know Europeans like it down low (the power that is ), but that number may hurt them in the marketting, considering over 10 years ago the Civic Si was making 170HP out of a naturally aspirated 1.6L engine. But I haven't looked at its competition, so maybe that's not bad.

Sixty, don't you have anything better to do than find pictures of riced out old Honda's? This has to be the 4th or 5th time. I would go find a couple mustang, camaro, neon, etc riced out pics, but I don't feel like wasting my time. Haha, actually I do feel like wasting my time: This is an Escort with a mustang front I believe. It's hard to find a stock Neon picture on google, people must really like to rice these things out: And for good measure: It's the bug off starship troopers! I refer to AHM when talking about things happening in the U.S.A., if they were to make a V8 RWD, it would probably only exist here, like the Ridgeline and Civic Coupe, or in Europe. The markets between here and Japan are very different. Now if you're talking about the Legend or the Mugen concept, that would be Japan, but don't expect Honda to follow in Mugen's (aka M-Tec) footsteps and build a RWD V8 Legend for their market. And it's also easier to say AHM, than Honda in America.

Your posts are always fun to read

I completely forgot about that! It was a Mugen designed vehicle, called the Legend Max. It had a 4.0L V8 and RWD rated to 500ps. If it was economically possible to produce it at a good price, I'm sure it would be a killer. Maybe with all the talk about the lacking RL sales, AHM will give us something like this. More information and pictures