Drew Dowdell

I would argue that "gayest off-roader" would still be the Wrangler.... but that's just personal observations...

In this segment, "quiet" is a desirable trait. The interior of the Lucurne is still nicer then the interior of the Hyundai. The northstar has much more torque. ... and it's a real buick.

In other news, GM, Ford, and Chrysler out produce Mitsubishi.

I was wondering why Wagoner was on 60 minutes, NPR and the local papers all in the same week.

Here is a shirt for the baby.

I thought the commercial was just kinda "eh". I didn't get offended over it and I'm gay. I did think to myself "Some Human Rights Commision types are going to get their panties in a wad about this" Not all gay people a mindless whining minorities. I tell some of the best gay jokes around.

The CTS and STS share a 5-speed. If one gets a 6-speed, likely both will.

If Mercedes Benz put a 7 speed in the 7-series, I'm sure BMW might have a thing or two to say about that. :AH-HA_wink:

Holy CSVs batman! Uplanders, Terazzas and Relays oh my! It's like they hit critical mass here in Western PA.

What does an M3 engine cost again? What does a 3800 cost? Oh... yeah... right. *sips Kool Aide* The M3 engine is the ROXARS! It should be in every car EVAR! Face it, for loafing along on the freeway, efficiently, cleanly, cheaply, quietly, there are few V6 engines that can beat the 3800 in ALL of those aspects.

Two words: Timing Belt

uhm.... he didn't love the Seville, he complained about the FWD and maintainence on it all the time..... just sayin...

I didn't say *this* BTS.... I said A BTS.

*huff* I'm offended. *storms off*

for edmunds.... when I rent DTSes in Florida I beat the snot out of them and still manage 19.

actually croc, his Datsun and Infinity are both RWD.... just sayin

I want them to build an AWD BTS for the U.S. simply so people will stop compairing the CTS to the 3-series and A4. My vision of the Cadillac lineup is thus: BTS AWD = A4 = 3-series CTS = 5-series = A6 STS = 740i = A8 STS-L/DTS = 750iL = A8L = S-class

typo but hey, on the GM US website they say that over 25 million 3800s have been sold. Must be a really sucky engine.

Who's made bigger improvements in the luxury sedan segment, Cadillac or BMW? Lets look at the past 20 years: Cadillac: 1986 1996 2006 BMW: 1986 1996 2006 So... Cadillac, while not quite equal to BMW yet, has made huge strides in this segment. BMW on the otherhand, has been building the same kind of car, with the same kind of formula for 20 years or more. One would expect them to be good at it by now. The simple fact that the CTS and 3 or 5 series are even valid comparisons is a tribute to Cadillacs spiritual growth. Is Cadillac there yet? Not really, but that's why you can buy a discount 5-series competitor from them. I imagine that the distance between the 5-series and the CTS will be cut in half once the '08 CTS arrives.

And BMW doesn't compete in the full sized luxury SUV arena... that doesn't mean BMW is going down in flames. Cadillac is doing quite well thanks. Can they get better? Sure, but they certainly not doing poorly these days. CTS competes with the 3-series only in price. Otherwise it's a discount 5-series competitor.

lots of hot, shirtless gay guys...

Not everyone wants a 3-series. If that were the case, the debate would be when BMW is overtaking GM as number 1, not Toyota. Cadillac is still selling the CTS above it's initial estimates without having to resort to incentives 4 years after it's intro. There is still a market for large, soft, luxury cars..... otherwise the Avalon would not exist. In spite of this poorly researched Edmunds article, the Lucerne is quite competitive with the Avalon. Lucerne is selling pretty well.

You guys still blast the BLS, but it'd probably do equally as well as the Zephyr and according to that other thread, that wouldn't be a bad thing.

So, apparently DCX is selling Mercedes branded Sprinters now?? I saw one today.

I was actually going to start my own complaint thread on GM seat heaters. It's one of the few annoyances I have about the CTS. The seat heaters have two settings, 2nd Degree or Tepid. The Avalanche has 3 settings, 3rd degree, 2nd degree, and tepid. Reostats have been around since the 1920s. Can't GM use those instead?