Drew Dowdell

I didn't say *this* BTS.... I said A BTS.

*huff* I'm offended. *storms off*

for edmunds.... when I rent DTSes in Florida I beat the snot out of them and still manage 19.

actually croc, his Datsun and Infinity are both RWD.... just sayin

I want them to build an AWD BTS for the U.S. simply so people will stop compairing the CTS to the 3-series and A4. My vision of the Cadillac lineup is thus: BTS AWD = A4 = 3-series CTS = 5-series = A6 STS = 740i = A8 STS-L/DTS = 750iL = A8L = S-class

typo but hey, on the GM US website they say that over 25 million 3800s have been sold. Must be a really sucky engine.

Who's made bigger improvements in the luxury sedan segment, Cadillac or BMW? Lets look at the past 20 years: Cadillac: 1986 1996 2006 BMW: 1986 1996 2006 So... Cadillac, while not quite equal to BMW yet, has made huge strides in this segment. BMW on the otherhand, has been building the same kind of car, with the same kind of formula for 20 years or more. One would expect them to be good at it by now. The simple fact that the CTS and 3 or 5 series are even valid comparisons is a tribute to Cadillacs spiritual growth. Is Cadillac there yet? Not really, but that's why you can buy a discount 5-series competitor from them. I imagine that the distance between the 5-series and the CTS will be cut in half once the '08 CTS arrives.

And BMW doesn't compete in the full sized luxury SUV arena... that doesn't mean BMW is going down in flames. Cadillac is doing quite well thanks. Can they get better? Sure, but they certainly not doing poorly these days. CTS competes with the 3-series only in price. Otherwise it's a discount 5-series competitor.

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Not everyone wants a 3-series. If that were the case, the debate would be when BMW is overtaking GM as number 1, not Toyota. Cadillac is still selling the CTS above it's initial estimates without having to resort to incentives 4 years after it's intro. There is still a market for large, soft, luxury cars..... otherwise the Avalon would not exist. In spite of this poorly researched Edmunds article, the Lucerne is quite competitive with the Avalon. Lucerne is selling pretty well.

You guys still blast the BLS, but it'd probably do equally as well as the Zephyr and according to that other thread, that wouldn't be a bad thing.

So, apparently DCX is selling Mercedes branded Sprinters now?? I saw one today.

I was actually going to start my own complaint thread on GM seat heaters. It's one of the few annoyances I have about the CTS. The seat heaters have two settings, 2nd Degree or Tepid. The Avalanche has 3 settings, 3rd degree, 2nd degree, and tepid. Reostats have been around since the 1920s. Can't GM use those instead?

crackberry it was a major source of stress for me when I was supposed to be relaxing. It would go off all hours of the day.

I though the Lacrosse and Lucerne.... while not exactly a Chrysler 300 were selling better then the cars they replaced.

I don't know... that material doesn't look like the nice soft touch stuff I sleep on on the Passat's dashboard. [/sarcasm]

None taken, but I can't wait to trade my '04 in on an '08

Great marketing doesn't work if the product is crap. All the marketing in the world wouldn't make the Cavalier better then the civic.

that interior was the NG CTS interior

That was the NG CTS interior too!!

by making it better

I guess that makes me the half wit of C&G

I had a completely different expectation upon entering this thread.....

for some reason I keep seeing GMC XUVs.... 4 today alone. It's like GMC sold every one they made to people in Western PA

Isn't the 3800 wedged in there pretty tight? So tight that they had to move the battery under the rear seat? My guess is no. Besides, if you're going to do that, just get a full northstar. They're the same external dimensions but have more power.