Drew Dowdell

GM went extinct in November of 2011 after CEO PCS ran the company into the iceburg full steam ahead by selling rebadged Tata Nanos as the new Chevy Camaro. SS versions get racing stripes and faux leather shift knobs but maintain their 33hp engines. Cadillac sold off to Honda/Acura who was desperately looking for a premium image. Ford releases an updated version of the Taurus that runs on BS. At the last minute changes the name to Fairmont. Chrysler sold to Electrolux of Sweeden just for laughs*. Volvo merges into Chrysler. Toyota builds best EVAR Camry. Now runs purely on a mixture of engine sludge, recycled camshafts and PR. Honda builds builds most reliable Accord ever. Hybrid now available in a lovely shade of Soylent green. BMW releases new God powered 3-series sporting bold new exterior design and classic interior that harks back to 1993. Fanboys and automotive journalists all die simultaneously from the orgasm. *do your research as to why this would be funny.

the dollars/euros in my pocket? I put my money where my mouth is. I purchase GM vehicles new. I'm not some guy who will only spend $800 on a 1977 land yacht. I intend to buy a diesel CTS when I get to Germany. GM keeps this up and I'll become that guy who only buys GM, but only ones that are 20 years old and the CTS-D will be my last new car from them. We're ultimately the ones with the power. If GM's goal is 12% market share your ideals are certainly the way to do it.

I never noticed this about the Monte Carlo until recently. The wheel openings are different sizes.... ok, not terrible... but it's the FRONT wheel openings are that are larger!

Please PM me when this happens.

woops! I thought it was still fox based at that point.

No no... you have it wrong, that's definitely the blue devil Cadillac Sixteen mule!

Buick used to have 5 models, it now has 3 Saturn used to have 3 models, it now has 5.

One way ticket to OZ, FTW.

it's one thing to tell us it was coming. it's completely another to take glee in all of our disappointment. that is what makes you particularly annoying.

Fit-L? no tanx

you mean when will GM Europe stop being a bunch of "we know what's best for you now sit down and shut up" douchebags and let the US <and Australia, and the Middle East, and Asia> have real cars and switch everything in that list to "approved"

'85 Seville? Is that you?!

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The thing I like best about the Civic Hybrid that I drive with my Flexcar account is that the hybrid part makes up for the pathetic low end torque of the typical Honda 4-banger. It makes it a very pleasant drive around town and I don't feel like I have to flog the car to get moving. To me, it's simply a better performing powertrain that happens to get really great mileage.

Sometime... just sometimes... people buy hybrids for something other than saving money. The Tahoe is the vehicle for the person who wants to be as green as possible while towing his sailboat. I consciously make the choice to conserve energy even if it might cost a few more dollars to do so.

the 355s should play on the global scale, not just here in the US.... and for that reason should be updated.. especially if they'd include the 2.9 liter diesel.

The Monte Carlo was also an awkwardly proportioned front driver on a platform that made the car qualified for antique plates the moment it rolled off the line. I wouldn't use it as a valid comparison. The Eldorado hadn't been updated significantly since it's early 90's intro. The Mark VIII was riding on a platform eclipsed in age only by the Panther. It's not that buyers left the full size coupe market... it's that the full size coupe market left the buyers.

Not diggin it. Not diggin this whole design direction at Lincoln. "Lincoln: Now with more Baleen Whale look!"

Zeta North America/Europe = Build at Oshawa Zeta Asia/Pacific = Build at Elisabeth why is this difficult?

I'm hoping GM has learned from that mistake.

Are you expecting GM will run the Zeta platform for 14 years?

thaaaat would be a "no"

For review. CAFE stands for Corporate Average Fuel Economy. All GM needs to do is make every Zeta engine FlexFuel. Forget hybrid, forget hydrogen, forget fairy dust. It would cost an extra $100 per car to make them FlexFuel. CERTAINLY cheaper than spending a huge amount of money to fund development of the platform only to throw it in the dustbin. The idea that GM cannot make the ZETA up to CAFE standards is complete and utter BS beyond any shadow of any doubt. To those of you who celebrate the Zeta demise, you are shortsighted, unimaginative, and are clearly a danger to General Motors. Furthermore... unless GM is planning on having Zeta around for a W-body like amount of time, there would be two to three revisions of the platform completed by the time the 35mpg AVERAGE comes into effect. Do you think Ford was pumping out FlexFuel Tauruses and Sables in 1999 out out of the kindness of their dear sweet hearts? No, it was to raise their CAFE on the cheap. GM has LOTS of CAFE credits due to their production of FlexFuel vehicles. Additionally The new CAFE legislation has retained the extra credit provision for FlexFuel. In short, any argument using CAFE as a reason for canceling ANY Zeta vehicle is a complete Red Herring designed to deflect the truth about the internal political struggles inside of GM. Edit: A 19mpg EPA combined FlexFuel Zeta <this assumes HF3.6 and similar weight to '07 CTS> would be rated at 40mpg.

I really don't think cutting the zeta wagon for the US will have much impact at all on the overall zeta lineup. Remember, WE have CAFE, but GM still sells to Australia, the Middle East and China.

this really shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone. you can also blame the falling dollar for making the case for it even more difficult.