Drew Dowdell

Turbo charged, Direct injection, and BAS-II for all! Oh noooo! I can't find the chart now, but the Turbo-DI Ecotec with BAS-II had a better and flatter torque curve than the base 3.6VVT.

And my point is that we're already paying that. There wouldn't be additional costs for the consumers if it remained a two standard system like we have today.

Well you can't say that California emissions cars cost more than Federal emissions cars to the end user.... and that's what people are trying to say.

I guess you missed the news that Toyota will be posting a loss for 2008.

Cadillac CTS 1SB + Lux package + California Emissions = $38,446 CarsDirect.com Cadillac CTS 1SB + Lux package + Federal Emissions = $38,683 CarsDirect.com

We won.

Well that's good. I thought it had been canceled outright.

uhm... are they selling the Volt in Europe? If not, who cares if it's a rebadge?

Yeah.... so funny. Don't say that Congress can't run a company..... Conrail (reporting mark CR), began operations on April 1, 1976 as a federally funded takeover of the major railroad companies in the Northeastern United States, all of which were financially failing.. Conrail began turning a profit by 1981, the result of the Staggers Act freedoms and its own managerial improvements under the leadership of L. Stanley Crane, who had been chief executive officer of the Southern Railway. With Conrail's increasing success, two eastern rail competitors of Conrail engaged in a takeover battle to control the railroad and expand their systems. In 1997, however, the two railroads, CSX Transportation and the Norfolk Southern Railway, struck a compromise agreement to jointly acquire Conrail and split most of its assets between them, with Norfolk Southern acquiring a larger portion of the Conrail network via a larger stock buyout. Under the final agreement approved by the Surface Transportation Board, Norfolk Southern acquired 58 percent of Conrail's assets, including roughly 6,000 Conrail route miles, and CSX received 42 percent of Conrail's assets, including about 3,600 route miles. In 1999 it was largely divided between Norfolk Southern Railway and CSX Transportation

Well... It's in a public place.... you don't mind my dirty little habit do you.... even if some of it gets on you?

Are you applying for an Admin/Moderator position? Right now we need all the traffic we can get and I've seen a few faces in this thread that we don't usually see around here. I'm ok with the debate that has been going on in here and I've spoken to some of the other people involved privately to make sure it doesn't get out of hand. Spirited debate is far more interesting than

You're probably referring to people who don't pay federal taxes. That is different from people who don't file. You aren't eligable for the tax break if you don't file, but you still may be eligible if you don't actually pay anything.

Yeah, it's not like Bank of America has only gotten $80 billion so far......

Dodgefan : GM4life Then 'splain it to me Lucy.

You can't keep the country safe without resorting to becoming a Nazi?

Agreed. I have no problem with increased fuel economy standards or emission standards. I just want one national standard.

right up till that "respecting our laws" part right?

I said nothing of being "kind". We should crush those who attack us with the swiftest and greatest of force.... but that would have meant concentrating on Afghanistan rather than Iraq. We should, however, still respect our own laws and process. By throwing out those ideals we hold dear we become no better than the terrorists.

L.O.L. The whole purpose of this thread is that Obama gave control BACK TO THE FREAKING STATES! THAT IS A CONSERVATIVE IDEAL!

Those who would trade freedom for security deserve neither freedom nor security. You are throwing out core ideas that this country was founded on. Hardly "Traditional American" at all. Obama took an oath to : Let that sink in for a moment. He didn't swear an oath to protect you. His ultimate responsibility is to the Constitution. By reversing Bush's policies he has done just that.

Two words: Due Process In WWII should we have been rounding up ALL Germans and gassing them? Should we have gassed all the Japanese? We were STILL torturing people in 2008! What possible amount of information could we hope to get out of someone who has been in confinement for 7 years?! We are NOT the Spanish Inquisition. We are NOT the Nazis. We are NOT the Stalinists. Most importantly, we are NOT Muslim extremists.

an for you too....

No. Do you know why? Because we're Americans and we are better than that. There was a time when this country stood for truth and justice. You can take your Babylonian "eye for an eye" ideals and shove them where they belong. I'll stick with the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, and Magna Carta.

They should have been given a trial 6 years ago. If Bush hadn't F-ed that one up we wouldn't be in this mess. Additionally, a LOT of those people were innocent and have been released even though we held them for years. They'll most likely end up at Levenworth, but at least we won't be torturers any longer.

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