Drew Dowdell

Two words: Due Process In WWII should we have been rounding up ALL Germans and gassing them? Should we have gassed all the Japanese? We were STILL torturing people in 2008! What possible amount of information could we hope to get out of someone who has been in confinement for 7 years?! We are NOT the Spanish Inquisition. We are NOT the Nazis. We are NOT the Stalinists. Most importantly, we are NOT Muslim extremists.

an for you too....

No. Do you know why? Because we're Americans and we are better than that. There was a time when this country stood for truth and justice. You can take your Babylonian "eye for an eye" ideals and shove them where they belong. I'll stick with the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, and Magna Carta.

They should have been given a trial 6 years ago. If Bush hadn't F-ed that one up we wouldn't be in this mess. Additionally, a LOT of those people were innocent and have been released even though we held them for years. They'll most likely end up at Levenworth, but at least we won't be torturers any longer.

Our resident spy photographer has informed us that it's a diesel.

In his first week has restored freedoms that Bush took away. He restored the right to privacy. He restored the right to trial by jury. He restored the right to challenge your imprisonment. He restored the right to know what your government is doing. What freedom are you looking for.... the freedom to drive a G8 GXP? Sorry, that one kind of pales in comparison to freedom to privacy.

Since you added this after my last post. Obama: More Political Capital Than Reagan?

Let's not confuse asset bubbles with economic growth. If unemployment was figured today as it was in 1929, the rate would be 17.5%. Aren't you glad they changed the way they count? The banks were more than willing to give these loans and through deregulation, hide them but book them as income. Some of these banks were booking profits on interest not even billed yet. In December Merrill Lynch managed to lose $15 billion. Maybe it was all in the wrist, as they marked bad loans to market values. Maybe a lot of it was CDS losses. Maybe, just maybe, they were simply god-awful at playing the stock market game. The incoming US intelligence chief says that "Torture is not moral, is not legal, is not effective." He also is going to stop the unlawful surveillance of Americans. Hours after taking office, President Obama ordered a halt to the show trials at Guantanamo, Guantanamo is to be closed within a year and the CIA directed end 'enhanced' interrogations. Could we also do away with Homemade Security or at least persuade it that Americans have rights again? <sarcasm>The US is becoming a nation of weak-kneed constitution readers.</sarcasm> Last I checked, they were still selling cars in California. I don't think any state will go stricter than them. We'll be ok. You might not be able to buy the G8 you weren't going to buy anyway... but we'll be ok. Let us be the land of the brave again, not the fortress of the fearful.

GMPartsgirl, check out the link in my sig.

I'm going to make sure I pick my nose and wipe it on your shirt next time I see you....

Get a prescription for Welbutrin. It removes the craving for the nicotine. You'll smoke less and less on your own without trying... till one day you'll notice you didn't have a cigarette all day. Worked for my mom, dad, and sister. I've never smoked anything at all. Great side effect is, it's an anti-depressant, so it might help you with loss of G8 ST angst.

Glad you cleared that up for me.....

uhm.... cars sold in PA aren't set to a maximum speed of 65mph.

you are right of course and I do think some here are making this more about Obama than anything. Ideally we should have one standard for emissions/fuel economy/crashworthiness. We should also have one set of fuel formulas for all 50 states.

only for new cars

I don't mind a stricter standard. I just mind 50 different standards...... otherwise known as NO STANDARD AT ALL

The S-series that we got or the S-series shown above?

50 different state standards. Makes it very difficult to sell cars. That said, what will likely happen is two standards. The Federal one and a CARB one. The states that want the stricter standards will just adopt the CARB standard.

Please.. PLEASE... let the Republicans complain about it.

Ew. Looks like a re-grilled, short nose, Sunbird. Did it even have polymer body panels?

Dumbest. Idea. Ever.

I would have been glad I didn't buy that car even if it had 4,000 miles on it and was the very last surviving example of that model.

Chrome is also fairly damaging to the environment yes?

make sure you douche

QUOTE (Iroczlover @ Jan 24 2009, 07:29 PM) lol talk about bringin a thread back from the dead lol