Drew Dowdell

I think it would be very wise of Penske to not be entirely dependent on "others" to build his cars.

A neither a Penske Saturn nor the Wilmington plant have the baggage of the British Auto industry or the UAW.

Possible... if and when it happens.

Wilmington can build a LOT more than just the Kappas. It was a huge, underutilized plant. If Penske could pick it up on the cheap with one production line already functioning.......

Yes I can. http://itemnotasdescribed.com/2009/05/06/f...-suzuki-samari/ “NO DRIVE LINES, NO STEERING LINKAGE, JERRY RIGGED LIFT, you will need to tow it! Don’t call & ask stupind questions!” Please forgive me if these are “stupind” questions, but there are just a few things I need to know: 1. What? 2. Why? 3. How do you manage to misspell “samurai,” a word that is surely emblazoned somewhere on the vehicle you have obviously spent a great deal of time ruining? In literally the largest type size you will ever see the word “samurai” printed in, ever? 4. Why? 5. What?

Yes. They ran it even less profitably than GMNA.

$120 for an oil change? I. Don.t. Think. So.

I don't think I'd be the only one here who would refuse to consider any of the Epsilon cars "large". Hell I barely consider the Zetas "large".

You're right. It would be sacrilege to put those wonderful Aurora parts on an Intrepid, but I wouldn't put it past you.

meant to quote SMK, sorry.

Well, an Aurora with 240k + miles isn't going to be worth much. It'll get sent to the U-Pick-It yard for Dodgefan to snatch parts so he can turn his Intrepid into the Aurora he's always wanted. Northstars are good engines, but they aren't really longevity engines because they get so expensive to fix.

I have mixed emotions about this program. It's going to take a lot of crap off the road but some good cars are going to be swept up in it too. My issue with the deal is this. Which produces more pollution, a 1985 Civic or a 2000 LeSabre? Which of those is eligible under this program?

Your previous complaint was that the Lacrosse was too large. Now you're complaining that the Regal is too small?

We're doomed then.

Happy birthday helpful helper!

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No, I'd need someone who runs off at the mouth and says stupid, embarrassing, and nonfactual $h! all the time. Unfortunately for me, that mean's SMK.

What are you talking about? I'm Obama.

I'm just afraid of the 4100. I'd be more comfortable with the 350 Diesel...as hard as that is to believe.

The beauty of the Wiki is that we can have it be about whatever we want. Just to be clear on terminology. There will be one Wiki with multiple sections. Adding a section for the XP cars would be a wonderful and welcome addition.

I suddenly feel the urge to drink a case of pabst and play pinball.

Initially there won't be many changes until the DNS transfer gets sorted out. The first major change will be upgrading the site to the newest version of the board software. Things I plan to add over time: 1. A substantially upgraded C&G shop with not just custom printed merchandise, but even automotive parts and accessories. 2. User photo galleries so we no longer need to host the pictures we post on Photobucket. 3. There will probably be more advertising from places other than google. 4. We will be adding a Wiki. With the vast wealth of knowledge available in the membership here, it'd be a shame not to capture some of that. These are just some of the ideas I have floating around.

Checker Marathon? Really?

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