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Genesis News: 2021 Genesis G80 Packs New Styling, Two Turbo Engines
smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in Genesis
I read recently that the CT5 and XT6 were going to be on Omega, but were switched to Alpha 2 and the Acadia platform to cut cost to pay for EV development. And they built it, Cadillac did not. -
Genesis News: 2021 Genesis G80 Packs New Styling, Two Turbo Engines
smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in Genesis
Haven't sat in one in a while, but I seem to remember it was tight. I think Mercedes is going to kill the CLS after this generation. -
Genesis News: 2021 Genesis G80 Packs New Styling, Two Turbo Engines
smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in Genesis
At 6’2” I could sit in the back seat of my Aurora and had enough head room, I can sit in the back of my E-class and have head room. I doubt I could sit in a G80 without my head hitting the roof -
Genesis News: 2021 Genesis G80 Packs New Styling, Two Turbo Engines
smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in Genesis
The Aurora was never coupe like, and I had a 2nd Gen Aurora. I thought the Aurora had pretty unique styling with no grille. Also if people leave sedans for SUV’s because they want higher rooflines and more space, I don’t see how chopping headroom in the back seat helps them sell sedans. -
Genesis News: 2021 Genesis G80 Packs New Styling, Two Turbo Engines
smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in Genesis
I think it looks good from the front, and I liked it 9 years ago when Mercedes made it. I can't imagine how Genesis came up with those 5 spoke wheels, pickle fork headlights and coupe-like body. The rear end of the Genesis breaks down a bit, looks like they tied to make it look like an A7 but an A7 looks better. I think the interior looks nice, it is a bit different than the others, would have to sit in it to compare it to others in the segment. The engines are good for base and mid-level and nice to see some new engines at Genesis. But what about a level about this? My guess is they stop with the 375 hp engine, and the big boys have 600. I still can't take Genesis seriously, I don't think the G70 is better than anything in that segment from Germany and the G70 isn't really cheaper, so what is the point? -
GM News: GM's Upcoming Electric Onslaught
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Nice that Magnetic ride is a stand alone option.- 282 replies
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Had to make this move. Even if things got better and they say it is okay to go out, who wants to be in a huge crowd of people? And more like the importantly they are going to need TCF Center to be set up as a hospital. Hopefully they don’t need it, but they are going to have to plan for the hospitals to be over run. Hopefully we get a slew of online presentations of new products. Since New York auto show was cancelled too, these auto makers should have some new stuff to show this spring that they can just do online and not wait til June.
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All new cars are really expensive. You could pick up a 3 year old Lexus for the price of the Corolla. But people don't always shop price, they shop monthly payment, so that is where the finance people get creative.
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GM News: GM's Upcoming Electric Onslaught
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Charge at home, spend zero time ever at a gas station.- 282 replies
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GM News: GM's Upcoming Electric Onslaught
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The money to be made is by the fast food and fast station hybrid business that exist now like Sheetz or Wa-Wa. If you have a coffee bar, soda fountain , fast food restaurant, convenient store type set up that draws traffic anyway, where as before maybe half the customers get gas and leave, now they have to let their EV charge. So Sheetz can charge whatever per KWH or electric the person puts in their car and has them there for 20-30 minutes with nothing to do except spend money on coffee, lunch, etc. Although I think 80% of EV charting will happen at home, if not more. The vast majority of cars sit for 12 hours consecutive every day, plenty of time to charge at home.- 282 replies
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GM News: GM's Upcoming Electric Onslaught
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I don’t see why an auto maker needs their own charging network when they don’t have their own gas stations. You’d think there would be monopoly or anti trust law issues is a car maker owned gas stations. Current gas stations will put in EV chargers or restaurants and malls will, etc. And I imagine a lot of gas stations as we know them today will be gone in 10-15 years.- 282 replies
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GM News: GM's Upcoming Electric Onslaught
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Daimler had $26.775 billion cash to end 2019, GM had 23.243, thus Daimler has more as per Yahoo Finance.- 282 replies
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GM News: GM's Upcoming Electric Onslaught
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Daimler has more cash than GM does. But all automakers are going to take huge hits this year, I suspect sales will go down 20% for the market this year. Daimler also can't push EV's out, they need them to avoid CO2 fines. And the EQ S and EQ E are already pretty deep into testing, they are going to be ready for production in 2021.- 282 replies
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GM News: GM's Upcoming Electric Onslaught
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The AMG GT R Pro which is a front engine, rear drive coupe, same as a C7, is faster than the 755 hp ZR1. And I know it is faster because it had the record for front engine rear drive car. The 911 GT2 RS has like a 6:47 Nurburgring time which is also the old generation since the new 911 is out. Let’s see the C8 in the 6’s. All GM plants are closed now. So one wonders what delays will happen with development cycle of future product. And what production delays will occur, Corvette is done for 2020 orders.- 282 replies
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Z06 won’t beat a 912 GT2, but they should set the ZR1’s goal to be Huracan or Aventador fast because those are old cars. Even if it means the ZR1 is $300,000. If Corvette wants to play with the big boys, that is where they are. AMG has a GT73 sedan coming, so they will beat their own 4-door lap record, they have a next gen SL73 that is a sports car not a retiree mobile that the current SL is (although I like the current SL, give me luxury over performance) and the next gen AMG GT coupes are all wheel drive so they’ll be faster than the current one. If the Corvette wants to play up there then bring it on, but if not then I don’t want to hear GM engineers saying it has super car performance when it doesn’t, at least not yet.- 282 replies
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Not sure about luxury, but performance for price is outstanding because the C8 on the Nurburgring is very close to the Porsche Cayman GT4, faster than the GTS and faster than a base AMG Coupe, close to a BMW M4 GTS but way cheaper. Likewise compared to a Nissan GT-R which is slightly quicker but got stupid expensive. Most of the cars with C8 performance are around $100-120k and not $70-80k as most Corvettes would be. It is a win for the Corvette in that regard.- 282 replies
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OldsHurst, you claimed the Corvette was world beating performance and has world beating engineering. Put the C8 against a Huracan or 911 GT2 that can do the Nurburgring ring in 6:50 or less and it is a 40-45 second gap. The CT6 Blackwing should have had lap times similar to the C8. That should have been a Cadillac’s target if the car were still around. I think the Corvette has great bang for the buck, for $70k it is a hell of a lot of performance and the Corvette has always had great performance per dollar. But world beater it is not, nor should it be because it is a Chevy. GM should have come up with a super car above Corvette years ago, or at least should start now if they want to pump some life into the Cadillac brand. Otherwise Cadillac should abandon all performance and be the opposite of sporty like a discount Rolls Royce and build isolation chambers that float over the road and have self driving. And that might be a good play for the future.- 282 replies
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GM News: GM's Upcoming Electric Onslaught
smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in General Motors
The G-wagen is hand built too. Not sure if that matters at all for sales. Sure we can wait til it gets out. The C8 is slower than a Mercedes sedan around the Nurburgring. 1. The GM engineers didn't bring enough, I want Celestique to be faster around a track than a C8. 2. They might... 3. It's better than anything they did in the past, but it is probably like Audi Q7 level.- 282 replies
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GM News: GM's Upcoming Electric Onslaught
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It is a concept car, but it isn't even all that nice. Then you have issues of powertrain, which they could put 1000 electric horsepower and a big battery and solve that, but you still have to have a road pre-scan suspension that they don't have, you need level 3 autonomy which they don't have now. That is a lot to come up with in a fews years for a low volume product.- 282 replies
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One says Bentley on it for starters.- 282 replies
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Mercedes made the 770 in the 1930s and they made the 540K Roadster with a 1936 price of $68,000 or $1.25 million in today’s money. And one recently sold for $11.7 million at auction. And I am saying that Cadillac’s recent history even going back to the Allante gives no confidence that they can do a $200k car. Nothing about GM operates today suggests they would do low volume vanity projects when platform and parts bin share is the company mandate. And nothing suggests the public wants to pay $200k for a Cadillac when the CT6 and CTS got cancelled because they didn’t sell. And the CT5 is sub $37k now.- 282 replies
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The A-class has nothing to do with the S-class. The S-class has been the best car in the world for decades, it justifies it's price. And S-class Maybach sales were up 10% last year. Cadillac is going into space they never went before, without any track record of winning in the lower segments.- 282 replies
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I'd like to see what justifies a $200,000 base price for a Cadillac. When an Escalade starts at $75,000. And in time we'll see what they build, unless they cancel it.- 282 replies
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$3 million. My original point was about Celestique costing more than a Porsche Taycan or more than an AMG GT63, perhaps more than a GT73 hybrid which will be on sale by then. And that GM won’t allow Cadillac to make a sedan faster than a Corvette, even if GM engineers could figure out how to. So Celestique won’t have performance of already a available product. These leaves them with one option to win on luxury and have Bentley level interior but Cadillac hasn’t had a class leading interior in 50 years so how do they pull that off?- 282 replies
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