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Cheers. Looks to be in good condition and it isn't that pricey for a classic car. And it has an intimidating front end that you don't see anymore in the world of aerodynamics and pedestrian safety.

Jeers, they ruined it. They have gotten rid of the essence of the Econoline van. The Econoline needs to be cargo trim or 15 passenger church van, that is what it is all about.

Sounds awesome, I want to spend $90,000 on a car with performance equal to a Mustang or 3-series.

Hooray for pointless vehicles! I myself am surprised they still make this thing, but 3rd world dictators seem to keep buying them. It is almost funny just to see how long they can keep it on sale at this point. The Jeep Wrangler has been pretty much the same for a long time, the G-Wagen isn't too different aside from costing 5 times as much.

lolwut? I've never heard of this newfangled Nissan Rondo before. I realized I messed up after I posted that, I was thinking Nissan Rouge. But all these mini-utes are pretty pointless anyway.

It has a bit of a VW Tiguan or Nissan Rondo vibe to it. Perhaps a little of a Pontiac Vibe, vibe as well. I don't like it, but GM needs a small SUV and females will probably like it.

I hope they make it look like similar to the Optima/Sorento/Forte style, because Kia has some decent looking cars now. And most importantly, RWD with a V8!

I do wonder how GM markets Cadillac in Europe or China..never seen ads from those markets...do they emphasize the American nature of it? They should... Buicks dominate in China. But Buick isn't a luxury car, it is mid-range car. They sold 550,000 Buicks in China, but a lot of that is the Excell and the Astra hatch and Verano. LaCrosse and Regal combined for 183,000 cars. Which are strong sales numbers, but they aren't priced in the luxury range. The Buick version of the Commodore/Statesmen is 369,000 RMB, about what a Mercedes C200 costs in China. Cadillac sold 17,000 vehicles in China in 2010, so a pretty big drop off when you move to the higher price range.

Building the car is one thing, then they have to convince the international market to buy it. That is the hardware part. Even in China, Cadillac is far behind the Germans in sales. I think the sales/marketing end of it will be harder than the engineering side.

I don't know if Cadillac has the money, people and hours to produce a lineup that can sell in Europe. That is my worry. It will take years because the SRX and CTS will have to be next generation so that puts them back a few years. Maybe 2016you or so they can make a run at it. But while Cadillac gets cash if the SRX and CTS in the USA, Mercedes is getting cash off multiple models in multiple countries. The S-class for example is the most profitable car and globally it outsells the CTS. Mercedes can keep building their lead, they have the most money.

It will be new to them. Also if it is as good as we hope a delay will only generate more interest in the car when it arrives. Either way they drop it now they will drop an old CTS on them that is not intune with their market and only an idiot would drop a single model on their market. GM needs to do this right and there will be a need for each model dropped to be intune to the wants and needs of the Euro buyer as of now only the CTS wagone is anything close to their wants. Also they will need at least two or 3 models when they try again and I don't see the XTS being one of them. Thus the problem with Cadillac's lineup. They can't sell an Escalade or XTS in Europe, I doubt the SRX would sell much even with a diesel or hybrid. So they are left with the ATS and CTS only, and the CTS has already failed there in both generations. It will be hard to have both the ATS and CTS fresh and good enough to break into Europe and steal buyers from the Germans. It is possible, but very difficult to break in.

Dropping 3 cars at once makes sense so they can make an impact and have a selection of models for customers to choose from. The only risk in waiting too long is introducing an ATS that is already old to a group of buyers that are tough to win over.

Probably not too serious since a diesel wasn't already announced.

Boring car and it seems to be the same specs as before. Although the new one is ugly and boring, the old car was just boring.

No, this will only be true of corporate bread 'n butter models under those price points, like the Fusion and Malibu. While I agree a turbo-four will never have the sound and feel of a V8 engine, I don't think reasonably-priced V8 cars are going to go the way of the dodo bird. Yeah, they'll offer one V8 in one car as an option. Sorry to kill your chubby, dude, but Hyundai isn't going to just up and build rear-wheel drive, V8 Sonatas any time soon. You're also forgetting Chrysler builds the 300, Charger, and a Challenger all with reasonably priced V8 powertrains (that probably aren't going to go anywhere when the next-generation debuts). Well if a Cadillac ATS has a 2.5 liter four, wouldn't surprise me if the next Camaro has one too. To get a V8 sedan at GM you need to go to a CTS-V, and they may price a V8 Camaro high to push the smaller engines. Chrysler offers V8s now, but I wouldn't buy a Chrysler/Dodge and the Hemi makes about 365 hp, a number that a turbo Pentastar V6 could achieve, so post 2015 who knows what they do. Ford/Lincoln has the Mustang GT, but I think an ecoboost 4 is coming to that car as well. The American V8 is dying sadly. Hyundai has two V8 sedans, hopefully the new Genesis Coupe gets it also. Kia may get that V8 also.

I don't think performance is going away, but 4-cylinders are becoming the norm in cars under $30k, even $35k. And I am someone that likes the sound of a V8, I don't care if they can get 300 hp or more from a boosted 4, it won't sound like a V8. Hyundai I think will continue to offer V8s (at a reasonable price), they don't have any trucks or CAFE killers, so it should be easy for them.

True but if you go back 10-15 years, a Lumina/Impala, or Buick, Pontaic, or Olds probably had a 3800 with 200 hp, 225 lb-ft. The 2.5 liter four may hit the 200 hp mark, but probably more like 180-190 lb-ft or torque. I see the 2.5 liter being the new 3800 in a sense, where it is used on all mid-size sedans and crossovers like the Equinox. So there hasn't been a drop in power, just cylinder count, but cars of 2015 seem like they will have the same power as those in the late 90s. Compared to say 1985 to 2000 when power really went up.

Oh, just enjoy the power in any of these cars while you can... It seems like 2015 will be a repeat of the 1970s when power just gets zapped from every car.

Even Buick will also have 3 sedans with FWD and 4-cylinder. And you figure the CTS and Camaro will get a 4 cylinder standard on the next generation, GM will be very heavy on 4-cylinders in a couple years. It is sad to see the V8 and now even the V6 getting pushed aside.

Cheers from a show car point of view, but those things are too big for daily drivers. Unless you live out in the middle of no where. On a side note we've come a long way in 20 years, when a 5.0 liter V8 made 170 hp. Now a 4-cylinder makes that. Maybe 20 years from now a 4-cylinder will make 400 hp.

Part of making the ATS a desirable car though is putting good parts in it. From the 3rd chapter of their Facebook videos it will have Magnetic Ride control, obviously a lot of Nurburgring work has gone in, so it is a purpose built sports sedan. Therefore I think it should have the best engines GM has to offer, I'd like to see an 8-speed too, but I know we won't. I also hope for good wheels and interior content. My fear for the 2.5 is that it will be paired with crappy wheels and a stripped down interior.

Yawn. When you start off with new fascia and fog light design as the features, there isn't much exciting.

I've actually never complained about Cadillac fleet sales, and obviously they have always had "black car" and limo/hearse sales and sales to rental companies. My complaint about fleets was on cars like the G6 and Impala that were out-dated and just dumped. And they produced super low end models especially for fleets. It is the low power engine, plastic wheel covers, no content models that hurt resale values of a model.

So why hasn't Cadillac been able to sell cars in Germany (or any part of Europe)?

I don't see the 2.5 liter getting better mileage than the 2.0T, so that is why I think it is pointless to offer a weaker and possibly less fuel efficient engine. The 2.0T should be able to be 33-34 mpg highway. If there was to be a 3rd engine choice, then it should be diesel or hybrid that pushes MPG into the 40s. Then maybe you sacrifice performance, but have over 40 mpg to compete with the other eco luxury cars. And if we are doing small/medium/large for engines, why not 270 hp, 318 hp V6, 375 hp turbo V6, then the V-series. Let's bring out the big guns.