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Yeah 440 mile range is excessive. I think if you offer extended range battery as a stand alone option it is fine, but you should be able to get the standard battery on any trim so they can get the cost down.

Agree, if you have a 5,000 lb EV it is going to be more efficient than a 6,000 lb EV, thus be more efficient. They could make a 3,000 mile range F150 Lightning right now as long it is pulling a 5,000 lb trailer full of batteries and cost $450,000. I suspect if they made a solid state Equinox EV for $35,000 with a. 302 mile range and a 600 mile extended range option that was a $15,000 stand alone option, and took away interior space and made 0-60 time longer it would have a worse take rate than manual transmissions do now. The Cybertruck will be the litmus test for this, I suspect almost no one buys the $15,000 bed mounted battery that takes away half the bed and makes it slower and less efficient.

But we don't really need 600 mile EVs. What we need are EV's that replace the 100 kWh battery with a lighter, cheaper 75 kWh battery and get the same range.

We'll see if Toyota is first, Mercedes already has solid state on the road in prototype form. I would imagine they want that ready for the next generation S-class EV that replaces the EQS. And usually the S-class gets the technology first. E-class EV is due out in 2027, I don't know if they would be ready that fast, and even if so, is this expensive tech that starts on S-class and 10 years later ends up on a regular car. From their media release: Safer, lighter, more efficient and 25 percent longer range in the first vehicle: solid-state cell chemistry delivers higher energy density and weight reduction, with improved driving efficiency and cell safety Mercedes-Benz, together with Mercedes AMG High Performance Powertrains (HPP) based in Brixworth UK, developed and patented new innovative solid-state battery pack Mercedes-Benz integrated solid-state battery, with cells from U.S.-based solid-state battery leader Factorial Energy, into slightly modified EQS Sedan Road tests with new solid-state battery in "621 mile" EQS development car started in February 2025

Yep, BYD (and other Chinese brands) will take over Asia, Mexico, South America, etc were they need lower priced cars and they are making some inroads to Europe also. And at the improvement rate of Chinese cars with all these 1,000+ hp, 400 mile range, charge in 5 minutes they will move into luxury and performance segments. Which forces legacy auto into the middle and upper market in the US and Europe and I don't know if that is enough volume for them to survive, probably half will die after getting beat up by tariffs when BYD swoops in to pick up the pieces.

Cadillac's EV's seem to be selling though and Genesis's are not. The Lyriq is more GV80 sized the Optic is GV70 size. I think Cadillac could still step up the interiors a bit and the Ultium platform cars are still a bit heavy compared to other EVs, but I think they have a better line up than Genesis. And Cadillac will have an EV sedan or 2 to replace the CT4/CT5, although rumor is one is mid-size and the other full size. Either way, I was just reading about the BYD Yangwang U7, which is a full size sedan, interior looks on par to a Genesis G90 but it has 1,287 hp and costs $86,000. And it charges at 500 kw, and BYD has 1,000 kw charging cars going on sale this year. And the Yangwang U8 SUV also is a boat, which the Escalade IQ cannot drive across rivers. All these guys are toast anyway.

I found a Genesis dealer website advertising $378 for front brake pads and a Mercedes dealer advertising $299 for an S500. They both use synthetic oil, both require premium fuel. I doubt a G90 is any cheaper to maintain than a BMW or Mercedes. I can appreciate that Genesis had their own styling language and tries to be different, but they don't have the performance of a German car, don't have the reliability/resale value proposition of a Lexus, I think Cadillac does EV's better than Genesis. There are just too many getter choices. Now if you specifically want a LWB chauffeur sedan and can't afford the Maybach, then this G90 is the only option, at least in the US, I don't know what all China has for this market.

Not sure the maintenance is so low on a Genesis. Hyundai/Kia parts prices are insane. An engine wire harness on an Elantra is over $5,000, it is $6,000 on an Elantra Hybrid on and S-class and it is $4,370. A Tucson front door is $2300, on an S-class it is $2,100 on a Lexus LS is $838. A Kia Sorrento quarter wheel opening molding is $808, for plastic. 1 headlight on a G90 is $3,649, more than an S-class but less than the BMW $5,000 laser headlight. On a Mercedes a front radar sensor is about $650. On the current Hyundai Tucson front radar sensor is $2000, on the prior generation they are $2700 S-class parts are expensive for sure, but expected for the price of the car and basically on par with Tucson/Elantra parts. Lexus parts are cheaper than Hyundai/Kia or Mitsubishi parts. And it seems like the Hyundai 3.5 V6 doesn't have issues, but those 2.0 and 2.4 liter 4 cylinders for the 2010s burned oil and grenaded themselves like crazy. Those are the engine equivalent to the Nissan CVT transmission, do not buy ever. On top of the fact that you can steal those Hyuundais but putting a scrunched USB jack in the ignition. I just can't trust anything Hyundai makes, it looks nice new and after 5 years they look like crap and fall apart.

They are getting there on price, I think they need an SLE trim around $60k, then with the tax credit you getting closer to ICE prices.

The top 1% aren't buying a Genesis. They are trying to sell to baby boomers who used to have a Buick, Cadillac, Infiniti or Lincoln and they don't have luxury sedans anymore, or maybe people that think a Lexus LS is too sporty.

All black to me is a lack of style and design. It shows no creativity or imagination, it is just lazy to make everything 1 color. Also I am tired of this gloss black trim trend on the outside and inside of cars, "paint black" fingerprint magnet center consoles. They don't really sell many of these G90s, did they need to make an extended version? Do they even sell in China where they are buying EV's and buying local more and more?

They can catch up as fast as they want to. If they want to pour billions into R&D for solid state batteries, they can kind of just skip over the 400V and even the battery tech in this recent crop of 2021-2025 era EVs. Toyota isn't short on money or engineers, it just depends on where they want to deploy it.

Agreed. When Tesla was the only game in town outside of compliance cars like the Leaf or Bolt, it pretty easy for them, but now pretty much everyone except Toyota/Subaru/Mazda have a pretty competent EV in their line up (and a Stellantis, but they don't really do anything well). Second problem is Tesla's line up is small and they are slow to refresh it. The Model X and S have had one minor refresh in like 8 years, and the new 3 and the 2026 Y are really just front /rear fascia refreshes on the same car that is 8 years old. Now you have the Chinese undercutting Tesla by a ton on price with cars that are equal on tech and range (or even better), an d the luxury brands have EVs with luxury interiors, Tesla doesn't have a luxury car interior,

Priced like a luxury car with the interior of a nice Honda or Toyota. Besides Elon scaring away buyers, I think as all the other guys start putting out EVs in more segments and in lower prices, Tesla is in for some competition. The new CLA is way nicer than a Model 3, and has better range and faster charging. And that's the cheap Mercedes that people want to say isn't even luxury. The Equinox EV basically gives you what the Model Y does except maybe you lose some 0-60 time.

It is a failure, although BMW does it and sells more EV's than Mercedes and Audi combined, by doing ICE and EV on one platform. Mercedes isn't doing what BMW does, the electric GLC, E-class, S-class, and on a totally different platform than the ICE cars but look the same as the gas car. 2 platforms, 1 design language.

I think they just need SUVs built at Alabama because they sell so many SUVs here. Probably having the same body and interior on ICE and EV platforms will help manufacturing a lot. GM could probably do that with Equinox ICE and EV, it seems like it would be better economies of scale to have the ICE Equinox body and interior on Ultium.

It is still a matter of packaging. I have not been in an Escalade EV since I don’t know how roomy it is, it better be huge in there. But i have been in some SUV’s were the 3rd row is basically useless, I think the Volvo EVX90 or whatever it is called is like that. And this might be an EV issue, the need to shrink the battery so it doesn’t eat cabin space. And that might take years.

You should be able to get interior space without a vehicle being this large, it is bigger than the Ford Excursion. The ID Buzz could fit six 6-foot people in it with ease and is smaller than this.

This thing is just too large.

Through February 2025 Ford is down 7.4% for the year and Lincoln is down 14.6%. Ford Mustang is down 34% and Mach-E is up 62% and outselling the ICE Mustang 6,841 to 5,191. E-transit up 3%. F150 Lightning down 15%

Alabama makes GLE, GLS, EQE SUV, EQS SUV. Sindelfingen makes GLC, E-class, S-class, EQS, Maybach S-class, AMG GT 4-door Bremen makes EQE, C-class, GLC, SL, GT, CLE, GLC Coupe They can make SUV and sedan and convertible and coupe all in one plant, but it seems easier for them to switch EV and ICE in one plant. But perhaps they do it this way for commonality and quality control. C-class, CLE, GLC are very similar. Just like Honda Pilot, Ridgeline, Odyssey, Passport, Acura MDX are all the same.

Mercedes has MMA which replaces the MFA (Mercedes front drive architecture) and it is optimized for EV and the compromise is on the ICE side, this is CLA, GLA, GLB staring in 2026 model year. MB.EA is the EQ cars, to be replaced in 2026 with EVA2 with 800 volt and the new EV platforms, for C-class, E-class, S-class, etc. AMG.EA I am not sure what is different, but it will underpin the 1,000 hp AMG electric sedan and SUV and apparently they could put a V8 on that platform. MRA2 is the rear drive platform for C-class up to S-class for the 2021 and newer cars. What they don't want to do is wha tBMW does, and take an S-class chassis and just stuff batteries in it. So they need MRA and MB.EA underneath with the same body on top to optimize the ICE car and the EV. MHA is the GLE/GLS platform, which is basically high riding MRA G-wagon is a ladder frame not shared with anything

The EQS interior is more like an E-class, and the EQE is like a C-class Plus. Nicer than a C but not on par with E. And the GLC EV has 483 hp according to the rumors, so why buy a 402 hp EQE SUV for more money? You can basically kill all the EQ cars in 2026.

More chargers will help adaptation as well. EV's are probably a better option for 80% of consumers, maybe more. Delivery vans, mail trucks, school busses all make more sense as an EV, commuter cars should be EV's. Pickups used for towing should be diesel. Maybe some ICE sports cars, but the Mustang is down this year after 2024 was its worst year ever so I don't see where the ICE sports car demand even is. Outside of like a $400k Ferrari but that is so limited a market. Tesla will probably never top their 2023 sales volume. They might drop to like 1.5 million units a year or maybe even less and just hover around that volume the next 10 years. The Chinese are kicking their ass on price and the Europeans won't buy them.

Well I pretty much have accepted that I won't be buying a car until 2029 because a Rav4 will probably cost about $60k by summer at the rate we are going.