Cory Wolfe

Congrats, NOS! :D Anyways, I hope Art/Design schools focus more on ability for art than GPAs and crap like that. Otherwise, I'm royally f**ked...

I'm not suggesting a return to what you call "tacky". I just want to see some excitement, which the G6 doesn't have much of. It has potential as I've said in the past. My suggestions: replace the ugly black-plastic ground effects with some flared body-color ones for GT/GTP, make dual tipped exhaust standard for GT, add sportier lower grills with non-projector foglights, remove the body-side rub strips, paint new sportier mirrors body-color, black out chrome along beltline and around grill, whole new rear fascia lifted straight from the concept for sedan, lower curvier beltline and whole new rear for coupe, tinted taillight lenses, bumper mounted reverse lights, larger rear spoiler for GT/GTP, replace all wheels except GTP's with more athletic looking ones, and finally replace the hideous center stack and center console. :D Anyways, there is a difference between clean and bland. I hope you realize that. I'm all for clean designs, but not bland. I will, however, take a bland design over an ugly design. Bland and ugly is even worse.... The coupe isn't that, but its bordering on it. Yes... I hardly see any vehicles that way. I do, however, go to those things called "car shows" when I can. Brookville hosts a few every year where they close down Main Street. Personally, I just see it as a sportier Camaro. Kind of like most Pontiacs and they're Chevrolet siblings from that era. I mean, they're not rebadges by any means, but it is so blatantly obvious that they're related. I'm not a fan of that as I like designs to be 100% unique. But it seems the General is doing it more now than when they were called-out for it. Back to the Firebird... the 4th gen was more original with less parts shared with the Camaro. Yeah... I've seen it before as well as the prototype photos. There are certain aspects of it I hate, but overall it's a better attempt than the G6 as it doesn't look watered-down and bland. Mainly its that droopy ass...

Um... the Trailblazer looks better. So does the old GC. I could care less which is better off-road, though...

Blah... they can't zoom in too be able to tell what anything is for my aera...

[quote name='ocnblu' date='Nov 4 2005, 06:01 AM']How can I say this without sounding mean.  You're too damn young to remember when Pontiacs looked good.  There ya go.  I had to say it.  The new G6 is a return to design purity that once made Pontiac great, you know, when they were the third best selling brand in the USA?  The only really goodlooking Pontiacs in your lifetime, imo, have been the '97 GP and the '00 base model Bonneville.  Nice, clean designs that still managed to fully communicate what a Pontiac should be (except maybe for the FWD chassis, but that's not Pontiac's fault.) [post="38509"][/post] [/quote] I'll use quotes to reply to you... [quote name='Croc' date='Nov 4 2005, 07:19 AM']:blink:  :blink: G6 isn't design purity...it is design austerity.  The exterior is completely bland not because it lacks the "fork marks" down the sides, but because there is hardly ANY detailing on the exterior.  No surface interest.  The taillamps are flat as can be as they lack a jeweled effect.  Granted there is a rub strip and the hood has a couple character lines on it, but the rest of the car just lacks real body lines and anything to hold any interest.[/quote] Exactly. The Solstice is design purity. The Firehawk was design purity. The Fiero was design purity. Hell, even the 97-03 Grand Prix was design Purity. The G6 is just bland. Nothing else. I've tried my hardest to look past that. I really have... it's a good looking car and all (in sedan form that is), but there's hardly any excitement. Remove the twin-port grill and I garantee it could be just about anything, even a Toyota. It's the same with the coupe, except it borders on ugly. It's like someone tried to mix American and Japanese design together while keeping it more watered-down than each. And as with the sedan, remove the grill and it could be anything. The Pontiac styling cues I've grown to love are all gone. And no, I'm not talking about cladding. Cladding is bad, it always was and I never liked it. [quote]As far as telling BV he's too young to remember when Pontiacs looked good, first of all "good" is extremely subjective.  What appeals to a 17 year old is different than a 40-something year old.  You shouldn't put down his tastes just because they are different than yours.[/quote] Bingo... what looks good to a true Pontiac fanatic and what looks to good to someone who currently owns a Colorado and previously owned a Beetle (Sorry, I just had to throw that in here. No offense...) are going to be entirely different. Now for my next reply... [quote name='z28luvr01' date='Nov 4 2005, 09:47 AM']I see where ocn is coming from. I don't think he meant any harm against BV. He was born during the time when Pontiac was giving all their cars the in-your-face boy racer treatment. I think some exposure to pre-1985 Pontiacs is probably essential to understand why some of us like the G6 as much as we do. Based on what he's said about his hometown, he might not get that exposure too often. This might be a good book for him to start with.[/quote] You act like I don't know what pre-88 Pontiacs looked like.... :blink: :rolleyes: Come on, stop fooling yourselves. I've seen most significant Pontiacs from the past at classic cars shows or by occasion. If I haven't seen it in person, I've seen it on the internet or in a book. I love to study history and especially Pontiac's. Therefore, I think I know Pontiacs from 50s, 60s, and 70s look like. Uh... duh! [quote]The G6 marks the abandonment of that design philosophy for a return to the 60s-era philosphy of simple clean shapes. Perhaps the reason why the G6 looks odd to some is that it was originally designed to have side strakes, sqinty cat's eye hedlights, etc before Lutz came in and made his changes (Remember that drawing of the red G6 that Cspec posted a while back that was in the G6 brochure?) I still think the G6 we got is a good car that is a few minor detail changes away from being great. [post="38534"][/post] [/quote] No, it's the watering down of Lutz... not a return to 60s-era design philosophy. Anyways Ocnblu... I don't have sales figures for foreign makes, trucks, nor post 1995 ones for anything, but regardless Ford and Chevy always outsold Pontiac. The only American brands to outsell Pontiac in the late 80s and early 90s was Ford and Chevy. I'd also like to point out that back when Pontiac was third in the 60s, it didn't have much foreign competition like it has since the 80s. So, what's your point? Really? Finally, again I have to point out that you are not a true Pontiac fanatic. No offense meant, of course. You just aren't and my motto is that only true Pontiac fans know what Pontiac needs. You've probably heard it before and now you're hearing it again. Is the G6 what Pontiac needs? No. Was the past Grand Am what Pontiac needed? Not quite, but atleast it was full of aggressive, attitude, and excitement. It had its own soul; it was unique, it wasn't bland. Just like Pontiacs of the past... the big difference being that it achieved it in a different way. But, regardless of the excessive plastic and such it was as true a Pontiac as the General would let Pontiac have. The G6, I think not. You are just too busy looking at the lack of cladding, ground effects, a spoiler and that it has the signature twin-port grill. You overlook the rest just because your so glad that those things are absent on a Pontiac. That's it, IMO. [quote name='Croc' date='Nov 4 2005, 12:05 PM']No, the G6 doesn't look odd because it is missing any of those elements; it is just that the production version is so half-baked.  The concept was great.  GM costcutting just got in the way.  The real reason so many of you like the G6 is that, yes, the design is cleaner (a good thing), but mainly that all the obvious cost-cutting doesn't bother you.  It bothers a great deal of people though.  I will go so far to say the G6 interior is currently the WORST GM interior on the market.  The materials are just so subpar...it's like the car is telling you "this is what you get if you cannot afford a 9-3"! The G6 really was a missed opportunity.  The exterior styling is more attractive than the Malibu...but the cheapo taillamps (really...even the 'bu has jeweled ones!), the very cheapo interior with its ONE piece of alumiplastic.....I mean just wow.  The concept was so nice too. [post="38575"][/post] [/quote] Okay... I think that's taking it too far. The little difference between the concept and production is hardly feasible. I don't get why this isn't obvious. The only real changes to the exterior were: toned done wheel flares, smaller wheel watered down wheels, more upright rear fascia, more useful greenhouse, bigger mirrors, added rub strip, black lower intakes and a smaller less tacky grill. Oooh... Wow.... So different! Frankly, the concept isn't much better than the The interior, however, barely even looks similar. A very bad thing, of course. But to say that its the worst interior on the market?!?!?!?!? Please tell me you're kidding. It's better than atleast half of the vehicle's GM sells including just about every SUV and pickup and alot of cars. Material wise, the interior isn't that bad not that the center-stack is done in the same material as the rest of the dash, which is better the Malibu, Impala, etc... Design wise, the only real problem is the the overall lack of metal trim as well as the center stack and center console. Fix those and you have a winner, IMO.

MT data. But using C&D's data... 2006 Chevrolet Trailblazer SS Base price $33,600 (est) Vehicle layout Front engine, RWD or AWD, 4-door, 5-pass SUV Engine 6.0L 395 hp 400 lb-ft OHV 16-valve V-8 Transmission 4-speed automatic 0-60 mph 5.4 sec 1/4 mile 13.9 sec

Because fuel econmy would be like 18/24... Seriously... :blink: :P

Sadly, so would I but I don't think the coupe is that bad. It just looks a little deformed, like the new Civic coupe as you mentioned. Although... I like the new Civic even though its a bit frumpy. All three are bland, though. In the G6's case, it's retarded as it has an arrowhead inbetween the twin-port grill. When you usually see an arrowhead inbetween a twin-port grill, the car is anything but bland. Wierd. To put it frankly, it needs spiced up. Coming from a hardcore fanatic... a rear spoiler (and no, not like that poser one the sedan has), whole new rears for both body-styles, ground effects, trim-specific fascias, and just a whole new more aggressive take on the design are all needed. Sorry Ocnblu, but that G6 coupe is not a Pontiac. It must take a true fanatic to see that... Anyways, IDK. I keep going in to look at it. My feelings are mixed, moreso than before. I just can't get over some things about it... I mean, I literally have to walk around and study it to find a perspective in which it looks good. It's possible, but it should look good from almost all perspectives. The Aztek is another vehicle that suffers with this problem... I think it's pretty much stopped growing on me and is heading in the opposite direction now.

No... I don't look like him, Ocnblu. :P We are similar in ways though... Like we're both playful. Very playful. We are also loud and annoying. Super annoying. We're both horny too... :lol: Anyways, it takes some motivation for the first two to be obvious. Generally I like to be motivated in the form of a controlled substance, but other ways will work... Just not as much. :rolleyes: :D

Well... I have a subscription to both Motor Trend and Car & Driver. MT has turned to crap, IMO. The photography sucks, the layout sucks, and the format sucks. Ugh... I like it better before when this: (*whatever*), the weird color combos, and the photos give barely any idea of what the car looks like didn't exist. As for C&D, I'm beginning to like it better than MT. I originally cancelled because of their outrageous bias, but since I got a gift subscription to it, I haven't really noticed a bias. I've been pleasantly surprised. If things continue as they are... I may have only C&D coming to my mailbox each month.

Did I mention that Jack Daniels rocks? :P Hehe... I somehow aquired a bottle tonight. But lately I've been craving cigarettes... badly. It's been a long time since I last smoked one. I've been trying my hardest to get some, but I've had no luck. It sucks being under 18... Stupid laws and stupid cravings. Argh!!!

I don't think there's anything wrong... with.... Sunfire, is there? :P Crappy car (but cool looks)....

Had to add that I got GA of the week... B)

Yup... that's pretty much me; a sociopath. Or a psycho... whichever. :P

Heard it on the radio last night while drawing a Camaro... Love it. Can't wait for the CD to come out. Oh... and that Camaro should be posted soon. :P

Heh... he was wound up and I happened to have the camera in my hand since I was on my way to the dealer so I snapped a pic. :P

My local Brookvillian (lol) dealer finally got a G6 coupe... Pics:

:P More boredom leads to more threads. Say hi to Harley. :D

So true... So true... :lol: :D

Seriously... What exactly does size have to do with how it looks? :huh: Anyways, getting back to subjectivity... Design-wise, it looks like crap. If it wasn't for the lower front fascia, entire rear, body sides, and the interior... It'd look pretty good. It has potential. If they offer the shortened version here with the Avalon's engine and those problems fixed, I couldn't complain at all. Otherwise, I feel the need. The need... to :puke:

Well... since I started this thread I might as well join in. :P I LOVE Smirnoff Ice Triple Black. Love it, love it, LOVE IT!!!! I could live off of that stuff. It is grrrrrreat!!!! I also love Mike's Hard Lemonade as well as that Zima stuff. As for beer... ehh, it's not the greatest but I'll drink it. I don't really have any specific tastes. Beer is beer to me. It all tastes about the same. And as for the hard stuff... Mixed rum is cool with me as is those fruit flavored Snobs? Is that what they're called? ...Anyways, Tequila is fun to drink. It's... "warm" on the way down and gives that same feeling in your stomach. Not the best tasting stuff, but I can have fun with it thanks to the Mexican exchange student I hosted a few years ago. :D Now for the stories... Muahahahaha... :lol: A few years ago, my one cousin graduated from HS and basically the whole family threw a huge party (I am anticipating mine...). Drinking, drinking, and more drinking. He got totally trashed and got into a fight with one of his buddies. He was irate... outrageous... Anyways, I had fun. I ended up drinking about 15 of those yummy Smirnoffs. Of what I remember... I stumbled so much. I fell many times. Once on the wood pile, once while going to the bathroom, once while making my way down to the water fountain, and finally once on my tent. I passed out afterwards... Then there was my exchange student's final night here. We threw him a party at our house. Bought two cases (24 packs, I think) of those yummy Smirnoffs. I drank my fair share of them... can't remember how many. Anyways, I also got into the Tequila and a bottle of Stawberry Snobs (is that what they're called? Seriously, I forget...). Well, I fell over on our recliner... tipped it right over. Hehe... I also threw up in our bathtub. I ended up having to be helped up the stairs and into bed... Can't forget that time at my Uncle's camp. I rode my 300EX over... Anyways, more of those yummy Smirnoffs. I made trip after trip to get more from home. I drank at least a dozen. I had trouble standing up all night and was dizzy... literally. I was smart enough to not ride my ATV home, though. Once home... I passed out on the porch after puking. There was also that one rave I went to. My other cousin hosted it and it was at a place we like to call the "Nob". Basically, it is miles away from any house and is in the middle of the woods. I don't remember much from this night. Just lots of loud 'techno' music and lots of drinking. Mostly beer, I think. Anyways, the last thing I remember was talking to some girl.... I woke up not really knowing where I was at first. There were a few people still there... as in still passed out or whatever. Heh... I got home at like 3 in the afternoon. My parents weren't too happy about that... Oh... there's more. This past Homecoming was wild. I started out drinking Smirnoffs (surprised, aren't you?). About 7 of them. Then converted to Mike's HL and that Zima stuff. A few each. Ended drinking beer. About 5 of those. I don't remember everything from this night either. Don't know how I got in my tent and what the hell all happened. I foung a damn hot dog in my back pocket... As I said before, I don't think I want to know...

Lovin' those Chevy wheels... Not. :P

Can't take pretty pics either and win this: GAOC Grand Am of the Week :D

Speaking of my Grand Am... GAOC Grand Am of the Week

Congrats... just make sure to take a road trip to PA. :D