Oracle of Delphi

Ahhh, but that is something I would have to hand deliver, and I stlll don't know what state you live in now do I? Common sense would Put you in Michigan or the GM's Desert Proving Ground in southeast Mesa. :AH-HA_wink: I always loved the weather there. GM's Desert Proving Ground GM's Milford Proving Ground

DETROIT - In the document that spells out the tentative pact between General Motors Corp. and the United Auto Workers, their futures are listed as: "demand and business case dependent," "no future product allocation," or even possible sale or closure. Fifteen factories in places such as Wentzville, Missouri; Wilmington, Delaware; and Flint, Michigan, have been left on shaky ground by the pact that the UAW hailed as having won unprecedented job security from GM. Most of the 15 factories, which together employ more than 40,000 hourly workers, will see their current work go out of production in 2011, when the four-year contract would expire, with the next generation of their main products listed as dependent on demand and business cases, according to a UAW document called the "white book" that spells out contract details. At four of the factories, the document says no future product has been identified for them. The automaker has 58 factories in the United States. UAW officials, in a summary of the contract, touted job security pledges won in the negotiations including commitments for new products at 16 assembly plants. About 74,000 hourly GM workers are voting on the pact this week and next, with a final tally to be done by Oct. 10. A summary of the contract provided to local union leaders last week said that GM has agreed not to sell or close any assets or business units beyond those already identified. Three facilities, a service and parts operation in St. Louis and powertrain plants in Livonia and Massena, New York, are identified by GM as exempt from the closing moratorium, the summary said. The uncertainty over additional plants has led a union dissident to urge members to vote against the tentative agreement. The average UAW member understands that General Motors has never lived up to its job security guarantees," said Gregg Shotwell, a GM worker and frequent critic of the UAW. GM will pit the 15 plants against each other to extract more concessions at a later date, Shotwell predicted. But Mike O'Rourke, president of a local in Spring Hill, Tennessee, which has "demand and business case dependent" listed after its main product, said the new pact is no different than previous contracts. "To me that's business as usual," said O'Rourke, whose factory is being retooled to make a new Chevrolet crossover vehicle and will make a future GM sport utility vehicle. But the replacement for the crossover is "demand and business case dependent beyond 2012." The new contract will make GM more competitive with its Asian rivals and it will need its factory capacity to meet increased demand, O'Rourke predicted. But Morgan Stanley analyst Jonathan Steinmetz said the job security assurances could become a problem if GM's sales drop. UAW spokesman Roger Kerson would not comment on the plants, nor would GM spokesman Tom Wickham. Workers members at several locals have backed the tentative contract that may serve as a pattern for talks with Ford Motor Co and Chrysler LLC. GM rivals Ford and Chrysler LLC may have to wait for the UAW to complete its ratification votes on the GM contract before their own crucial round of negotiations begin. Ford, which has seen its U.S. market share drop down to the 13 percent level it has projected for the basis of a sweeping restructuring plan, has indicated a resistance to agree to the same kinds of job security and investment pledges that GM offered the union, a person familiar with the talks said. link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21120048/

How about if I just give you my EDSNET ID and password, that will give you access to a good majority of GM systems.

GM intranet access? What is this GM intranat access you speak of? You know I'm not very computer literate.

Can I sponser the Holden forum? Oh please, oh pretty please!

I knew that was you on Youtube!

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I just got it, seems worse at this time for me.

Kia

Speaka da English!

I really, really like BMW's. I have loved them since I was 7 years old in Germany. If I didn't work for GM, I would be working for BMW.

My genetic code has been passed on to the next generation, fear not! :AH-HA_wink:

Letter

Some people here know the answer to that question, some don't! :AH-HA_wink:

WOW, just WOW!

And don't forget the remote possibility that the North American built Zetas take off? Wouldn't that be ironic, at least for me! Nahhhhhhhh! I shook the GM Magic Eightball, it said, Ask me again later!

Allow me! :AH-HA_wink: Two GM plants are left without long-term products Orion Township, Mich., and Wilmington, Del., will wait David Barkholz and Jamie LaReau Automotive News October 1, 2007 - 4:14 pm ET Mike Dunn isn’t worried that General Motors hasn’t spelled out plans for new vehicles for its Orion Township, Mich., assembly plant after 2013. Dunn, chairman of UAW Local 5960 representing plant workers, says the local is working to get a vehicle after production of the Pontiac G6 car ends in 2013. “We feel confident that in the next four years we’ll get something that carries us past 2014,” Dunn says. The local represents about 2,700 workers. The Orion Township plant and GM’s assembly plant in Wilmington, Del., did not have new vehicles designated for them as part of broad job guarantees in GM’s tentative new master contract with the UAW. About 73,000 GM hourly workers will be voting on contract ratification through Oct. 10. No roadster replacement While most GM assembly plants had specific new-vehicle programs assigned to them, Wilmington does not have replacements for the Pontiac Solstice, Saturn Sky and Opel GT roadsters after 2011. The contract says the next generation of Solstice and Sky will be built at Bowling Green, Ky., where the Chevrolet Corvette and Cadillac XLR now are assembled. UAW Local 2164 President Eldon Renaud confirms that the Solstice and Sky will be built in 2012 by the 960 hourly workers at the plant. A call to the UAW local in Wilmington was not returned. The tentative contract yielded several notable GM plans for its U.S. plants. In 2011, GM plans to build two body styles of the new Alpha vehicle in Lordstown, Ohio. GM has not unveiled a concept version of the vehicle, said a source familiar with the program. ‘Like a BMW used to be’ “It’s an all-new architecture that does not exist in the portfolio now,” the source said. “It is in the compact area but bigger than the Gamma. It’s more like a small entry-level vehicle that would be more luxury-inclined, like a BMW used to be.” Some other future commitments of note: Arlington, Texas — The GMT 900 truck and SUV continue until 2012; C3XX full-sized truck and SUV replacement begin in 2013. Detroit-Hamtramck, Mich. — The Buick Lucerne and Cadillac DTS continue until 2010; Global Delta MPV7 begins in 2009; Global Delta Volt begins in 2010; Global Epsilon Chevrolet begins in 2012. Fairfax, Kansas City, Kan. — The Chevrolet Malibu and Saturn Aura continue until 2011; Global Epsilon Buick and Saturn begin in 2009; Chevrolet large four-door notchback begins in 2010. Flint, Mich. — GMT 900 full-sized truck and heavy-duty commercial cab continue until 2011; GMT 900 medium-duty truck continues until 2008; C3XX full-sized truck and heavy-duty commercial cab begin in 2012. Lansing/Delta Township, Mich. — GMC, Saturn and Buick Lambda vehicles continue until 2011; GMC, Saturn and Buick Lambda replacement vehicles begin in 2012; Chevrolet Lambda vehicle begins in 2011. Lansing, Mich., Grand River — The Cadillac CTS, STS and SRX continue through 2009; CTS wagon and coupe begin in 2009; Zeta vehicles (two styles) begin in 2011. Spring Hill, Tenn. — Chevrolet Lambda continues through 2012; Theta Epsilon SUV begins in 2011; next-generation Chevrolet Lambda replacement product is dependent on demand and business beyond 2012. Wentzville, Mo. — Chevrolet and GMC large vans continue through the product life cycle, beyond 2012; next-generation Chevrolet and GMC large vans replace current vehicles depending on demand and business case beyond 2012.

I'm not quite sure I know what sexual harassement panda is. Remember English is not my 1st language.

Inlaws

Depends on what they look like! :AH-HA_wink:

Applesauce

Closed? Who said anything about closing it. Just because a product hasn't been identified, doesn't mean it's closing. Perhaps there is something going to that plant that hasn't been identified because it still being studied, or perhaps Wilmington is being held in reserve as an overflow plant for another model, should that model's sales take off, that is a wait and see game GM plays and a smart strategy. You're much to early in pronouncing the patient dead, doctor. If the plant were going to close an announcement like that would happen around the end of 2009 or the beginning of 2010. There is also a message in the fact that they didn't close it now, as you stated, why wait? There must be a reason, huh? You need to be able to read between the lines of what's being said and what's being done at GM. I've had 18 years learning GM speak. I'm sure you'll catch on eventually!

Think about this, something made me move from there to where I am now (true I got a promotion, but that's not the only reason). So is the plant closing or is something else going on? Time will tell, it ain't over till the fat lady sings, as many of the Wilmington employees know 1st hand. :AH-HA_wink:

It was bad, no really bad the last few hours or so. So is it an issue with the server itself or the company (if there is one) that maintains it? I never have seen that anywhere else but here.

If you or any of your minions read this forum, why are you using the Pontiac Grand Prix GXP to benchmark the G8, when you said the the benchmark's would be MB, BMW, an Audi? Hmmmmmm? :rotflmao: