Oracle of Delphi

Wine and no cheese? That would make me pretty drunk, I need to eat with my alcohol. Anyway I'm going to tell you the plain ugly truth about the Buick/Pontiac/GMC group. What GM has managed to do without hardly a soul noticing is merge three brands into one. After GM shut down Oldsmobile, it didn't have the stomach or the political will to shut down 2 more brands like it needed to do at that time. So GM came up with the present scheme to shrink 3 brands into one. However, with GM's continued sales slide downward, I seriously doubt you will ever see a full Buick lineup without the death of Pontiac. Same goes for the converse, I doubt you will ever see a full Pontiac lineup without the death of Buick. If GM continues to operate BPG as it is now, each car brand will always only sell 2 or 3 cars each, because remember these three brands are acting as one brand now. GM has effectively just turned three brands into one. The days of Buick or Pontiac offering a full lineup of vehicles is over, unless one or the other car brands dies in this unholy merger. As far as GMC and for that matter Chevy trucks is concerned, GM has two choices here. First, either pick one brand or the other to be GM's truck brand. If I were picking it would be GMC. That way any GM brand could sell a truck. But you know as well as I do, that GM will always pick Chevy over GMC. Secondly if GM wanted to be fair and not pick one brand over the other in the truck world, it could create a whole new brand to represent GM's trucks, whatever that would be. But that cost money, money GM just doesn't have at this time. I long for the days when I was a child during the 70's and GM had actual Divisions, with full lineups for each Division, but those days are past. We and GM must now deal with the financial and political issues as they are, and move forward with the hope of changing the public's perception of GM. I personally think the Chevy Volt will do that, so much so, I am investing heavyly in GM stock. I think it has the potential to increase 10 fold, maybe more if the Volt is a hit. The Volt as Lutz says is a game changer, I think so too. Maybe just maybe, if the technology takes off you just may get a full lineup of cars again, they just won't run on crude anymore, and that's a good thing. :AH-HA_wink:

Really?????? Nah, not GM! We never tease and use the media. :rotflmao:

So what are you doing about it? How are you changing your Union Brother's and Sister's mindset? After all if you do nothing to help change that perception, you're just as guilty as them.

Because it simply isn't a good match, time will reveal why.

You mean not everyone is an Italian/German Catholic?

Old news, this was out last week or the week before. Of course not officially to the public.

The operative word being should.

Can't we all just get along and become PURPLE states? Red + Blue = Purple

So let it be written, so let it be done!

When I was back in Delaware last month, I noticed that the local newspaper no longer puts the Cause of Death in the Obituraries. I guess it's not PC to know your neighbor died of Cancer, AIDS, Heart Attack, or whatever? I used to read them and think those poor bastards that work in such and such company are all dieing of Cancer, etc. Being PC has taking the joy out of my Obiturary reading, those Bastards.

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Now why would you want to end up like Pedro? After all he won the lottery and now stares at the Atlantic all day long. That's why when I'm in Delaware I keep my blinds closed! I just feel like there are eyes watching me.

W. T. Grant ?

What sayeth thou, will we be striking Commandment #2 from the Lounge Rules or changing it in some way? After all the Empire State building was built in only 17 months.

F. W. Woolworth

Isuzu GIGA 20 Light Dump - I have no words! :rotflmao:

I think we should join the European Union! :rotflmao:

I heard a rumor today that Palin is running her husband's business partner, the media is investigating that allegation as we speak, if true, stick a fork in her, she's done.

McCain is so old he could die tomorrow, and I don't want Dan Quale with a Ponytail running the country.

It's more for the Great Unwashed who have so many misconceptions about GM it's not even funny, not for savvy people like us. :AH-HA_wink:

GM has launched a Facts and Fiction Website. Please see the link below. Link: http://gmfactsandfiction.com/

Updated: Sun Sep. 07 2008 4:08:05 PM ctvtoronto.ca The former president of the Canadian Auto Workers Union is unimpressed by a new deal struck by the federal government with General Motors of Canada Limited that will see the company invest $290 million in the struggling Ontario auto industry. Buzz Hargrove said the timing of the deal's announcement, which came just days before Sunday's election call, is "designed simply to buy votes of our members." "I think they will reject this type of politics," Hargrove said Sunday during an interview on CTV Newsnet. The new deal is seen as a win-win situation for both the Conservatives and GM. Two days before the Harper government called a federal election, they offered hope to an ailing manufacturing sector but made it clear there would be no public money invested. GM meanwhile will get a break on paying penalties to the federal and Ontario governments for failing to meet agreed-upon job-creation targets. In a letter to GM president Arturo S. Elias, Industry Minister Jim Prentice outlined the three initiatives the money would be put toward: a new manufacturing system in St. Catharines that would produce fuel-efficient transmissions; the production of a new mid-size hybrid vehicle in Oshawa; and the creation of research and development projects on environmentally friendly technologies, again in Oshawa. Prentice said the new investment means the federal government won't invoke the clause of the 2005 Beacon Agreement that would demand early repayment of hundreds of millions of dollars in federal and provincial subsidies for failing to meet promised employment targets. The federal government was prepared to request early repayment of these subsidies after GM's recent announcement that it would close its Oshawa truck facility on July 1, 2009. The closing of the facility, which will eliminate about 2,600 jobs, means the company will not meet employment targets at the Oshawa plant that had been set out in the agreement. Prentice conceded in his letter that the North American auto industry has been hard-hit by ever-rising gas prices, a sluggish U.S. economy and growing consumer interest in hybrid cars and other environmentally friendly initiatives. About 80,000 manufacturing jobs have been lost in Canada in the past year. The new agreement would see $245 million go toward upgrading the St. Catharines Glendale Powertrain Facility to produce the fuel-efficient six-speed transmissions. Production on the line would begin in April 2011 and would "support more than 300 jobs," according to Prentice's letter. At the Oshawa Car Plant, the new hybrid would be added to the already planned production of a new mid-size car. The manufacture of that car will begin in October 2010, and the hybrid would hit the production line the following spring. And $40 million over a maximum of five years will go toward developing new environmentally friendly technologies at GM's Canadian engineering facility in Oshawa. The new agreement followed an announcement by Stephen Harper last week that promised up to $80 million in funding for a Ford Motor Company assembly plant and research centre in Windsor, Ont. Hargrove said the terms of the new agreement, as well as last week's funding boost, are not nearly enough to help the struggling auto industry. Hargrove said CAW members will engage in strategic voting in the upcoming election, meaning they will vote for candidates who have a good chance of defeating Tory candidates. "Our people are angry, they're mad and they can't all go out, as Mr. Harper says, to Fort McMurray and work in the oilsands," Hargrove said. "They want jobs, they want support, they want a government that cares about what happens in their daily lives and the lives of their communities." Link: http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTV...=TorontoNewHome

She should have been on some type of birth control, when all is said and done. Oh wait, abortion is her birth control!

Kook

Oh invite me to that little gathering, I'll bring my cam.