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Pretty much... yep. I'd have to see the price on the Platinum package before saying if it's worth it or not.

Growing up, I learned to drive in a 1976 Camaro that was a "throw-away" type car that my parents had. It was old, primered, etc. They never restored it like they intended to. Anyway... We lived on 80 acres in a suburb of Dallas and had, maybe, a dozen neighbors within a few square miles of our home. They let me practice driving in the Camaro at 13 and up since there really wasn't any traffic around. I was allowed to drive it up to the nearest convenience store which was 2 1/2 miles up the road. This was typical in my neighborhood. Kids 13+ driving around because it was a more relaxed community. Children were expected to be responsible when given a privilege. Parents were expected to be liable and accountable for poor judgment. Gaud... how life has changed... Charger, just hang in there. The truck is an object and it can be fixed. Your dad still loves you. You're fine.

Yeah... I'll go with GMTruckGuy74 on gift cards. I'll always welcome a giftcard from any of the below stores : Fry's Macy's Lowe's Home Depot

Yep! This was at Seattle's Auto Show. The two-tone interior looks GREAT in person. Very Audi-like. I remember the Q7 had a similar two-tone color option. If I bought a DTS, this would be it.

I have tons of Beer, Smirnoff Ice, and wine left over from yesterday. We can have a combined Happy Left-Overs Day/Server Migration Day bash! It's Friday after all!

Woohoo! Happy B-Day Fly!

Sorry Enzl, but you're just as guilty of having pre-conceived ideas/opinions and the habit to generalize & stereotype as anyone you want to scream Bias at on C&G. Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn’t justify an attempt to discredit their opinion by accusing them of being biased. Regardless of how you want to see it, try coming up with a better argument instead of beating a dead horse. Considering your “living dependency,” you should be relieved there are GM owners who use OnStar that don’t find this to be a big issue. Instead you’re arguing about it in a public forum with some of those very owners attempting to get them upset over the ordeal. Gee… that’s rational and objective. Your bitterness about OnStar (in general) finally surfaced in your last post, and clearly shows that your overreaction to this situation is based on more than just the "analog phase-out" issue. A Typical OnStar subscriber won’t be suffering from the same ill will over Satellite Navigation, Real-Time Traffic, GM management decisions, etc that you are when they come in to check if they can be upgraded. Once again, you’re twisting the truth and OVER DRAMATIZING. The owner of the GM vehicle will know if they have an active OnStar subscription service or not. Even if the service was available, the driver may/may not have voluntarily subscribed to the service. PurdueGuy brings up another valid issue: Do you know OnStar’s customer subscription service count on vehicles over 5 years old? 10 years old? It’s possible this will impact a far less amount of OnStar subscribers than you assume.

Most current owners with the cars that have outdated OnStar systems either purchased the car used or the vehicle came with OnStar (plus one year of free service) standard. The one year of free service more than made up for any type of $199 fee you're thinking of. Besides, GM isn't controlling the phase out. It's not their decision. Was GM committed to NEVER change or evolve OnStar or its mechanics after launching it in the mid 1990's? Nope... There are new GM cars with the new system available at your local GM store. If you want OnStar, it's still available. If you're that bitter over it, then you can buy a competitor without it. Great logic there. --- Do companies stop supporting old technology. You betcha.

Don't even try to play the damn bias card with me trying to support your opinion. You're speaking to an active OnStar customer who will need to have his OnStar equipment upgraded. This isn't blind loyalty. This isn’t GM’s fault. This is reality and it will impact several industries. Analog TV Broadcasting is shutting down as well. Millions of old (even some new) televisions won’t work without some type of converter, etc. You're making too big of a deal with it, and trying to exploit this as some failure on GM’s part. It isn’t. That scenario could happen at any time because there are hundreds of thousands of GM vehicles driving around without an active subscription to OnStar. If OnStar is that much of a necessity, then every manufacturer who doesn't provide OnStar should be liable and accountable for not providing an emergency notification service. If you don't recall, a similar situation has already occurred… but by MANUFACTURER DECISION. You don’t see lawsuits from Lincoln owners against Ford because the RESCU program was dropped and is no longer available for subscription. Face it - OnStar is a voluntary subscription service with a contract. If the contract is cancelled, becomes expired, or the service is no longer available, that’s just life.

Only if service contract is active (which won't be the case once analog is phased out)... even before then you couldn’t because of % of availability, reliability, and uncontrollable circumstances. You're acting like you could sue QWEST, SWB, Verizon, T-Mobile, etc because you couldn't make a 911 phone call due to the service was out. Sorry. Not going to happen.

I doubt we will, and several insiders here say we're getting it. Check out the pic I pulled off of the Chinese Cadillac Site: Here are a few other pics that provide a close up to certain areas of interest: And, I can only guess that there's ambient lighting on the doors similar to that in the Mercedes S-Class:

for the last time (hoping) :AH-HA_wink: YES! Congrats Fly! Your baby is home!

It looks like a modern Mitsubishi Expo. Not Pretty.

All manufacturers do this. It's good to see GM finally fixing issues while a vehicle is still hot in the market. There are at least a few GM vehicles that would have been remembered differently if GM had done this: Allante, Reatta, Fiero... sure there are many others.

You have to sunset old technology someday. It's not being cut-off immediately either. GM knows how many active analog customers they have on Onstar. Notifications will be sent out. Subscriptions will be cancelled.... etc. I received some sort of notification regarding this back 6-8 months ago. I contacted my dealership... I can be upgraded. I'll probably take care of it next year. I don't foresee many people shopping in the $1,500 10 year-old used car market considering a subscription to a $150+ annual service. So whether or not Onstar still functions on your 1997 Century isn't really going to impact what little resale value it has left. GM paying to upgrade a 1997 Century for free, or engineering an upgrade to be available seems almost pointless.

Woohoo! Congrats. It's always great to get the car you want... and then some. I guess an early Merry Christmas is in order!

Eh... sorry, but I disagree. GM isn't going to phase out keyless ignition. Keys are being phased out. The Fob will just evolve into a mobilized DIC/remote control interface for your car. Ignition can take care of itself.

Yes... All GM vehicles will have ABS, Traction Control, & Stability Control standard by the time Zeta vehicles hit the street.

Go ahead and comment... the above pic is actual size. I'm sure Cadillac will eventually offer this on all Cadillacs. As it becomes more popular, the $100/$150 fee can easily be absorbed in the vehicle price and made standard. That goes for all GM models.

All of you are wrong! It's hinting at the Solstice being renamed to SUNBIRD!

Yeah, Keyless ignitions will eliminate that concern. You'll still be able to get into your car if the fob malfunctions... thanks to OnStar.

So this is how Cadillac will push the DTS name upmarket... Hmmm... If the DTS-L goes into the low $70's fully loaded, that would open it up for the next-gen RWD DTS to start at a much higher price point.

Very cool! Thanks for finding it!

Happy belated B-Day Enzora!

Are you referring to the Lucerne or Fly's mustache?