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man, you'd be surprised. that new passat 2.0T with tiptronic, I'd lay money down that the passat is much faster than the camry v6. I'd guess a 7.3 time for the Passat 4 cyl. from my test drive. sure in 6 months a new camry will be here, but also consider the v6 passat is balls fast as well.

Canada...OHHHH, that's right. SOMEONE has to buy all those ECHOs and YARIS'. BTW the new passat 2.0 is very quick and is a really nice car. drives wonderfully. quicker than the camry, i'd bet $$$.

hehe, kind of. funny, but not. good hard working smart folks.....that just must not fit into the cool group of hip popular culture. we leave the misfits on the cutting room floor and the type a's and hipsters and the media tell us all who's worth anything and who is not. if you want the world to think you're worth more than a bag of used and full diapers, you better drive euro or rice, apparently.

time will prove the sonata is still a poseur car that will not last much beyond 5 years. will your sonata get 5 star side imapct ratings WITHOUT its side airbags?

a bit g35ish but its so chunky

jill wagner is the mercury girl and the ad campaign featuring her is generating interest from men and women. 'good for the brand' as they say. that's why i posted her 'other' work. croc- please refer to the mercury/chick brand thread for more insight.

very nice car.

are you for real? 54+53+21 = 128 cft = more than the sonata. whose but did you pull the 12% MORE out of? :blink: hyundais number includes the trunk, buddy (58+47+16) you passed math class, right? "flattery will get you nowhere, the escort said to the 8 years newer sonata" MY POINT- why does everyone ASSUME the fried rice is always better??????????????????? GO GM, good night all watch those 07 tahoes fly out the door.......

again, do your research 500-203 hp 3754 lbs, (not 4000), 18.49 pphp, 7.9 0-60 16.3 1/4 mi 20mpg 54/53/21 space (C/Djuly 05 and mar 05) comments-'classy looks inside and out' 'the Five Hundred goes down the road with unusual precision and composure' 'ride quality is above reproach, and road manners are surprisingly capable' 'Inside, the Five Hundred is roomy, and it looks and feels terrific' camry- 190hp 3489 lbs, 18.36 pphp, 7.6 0-60 15.9 1/4 mile 20mpg 54/48/17 space (C/D 12/05) comments- "The word "responsive" just doesn't come up in any appraisal of this car." "Too AARP in its control responses" seems as though the camry has a very slight accel. advantage that is more than offset by its deficiencies.....but that is EXACTLY my point. you just assumed the toyota was better, and DIDN'T research the difference yourself, much less driveone. that's the point of my continuous harping here. you didn't even consider the chance it would be superior. compare the backseatsand you'd know the camry is deficient. ford has the camry cornered, the fusion and 500 are both better buys and solutions than the camry. The impala is better. the lacrosse is more interesting and desirable. a 4 cylinder passat is a much better car than the camry v6. sorry to steal the thread...just trying to educate someone who can't imagine a world without toyota as their leader. someone who needs to research first. and maybe drive something. people using sonatas and camrys as benchmarks for comparisons clearly are not car lovers. they are car haters looking for a solution that they don't have to interface with a car. GM's falldown AGAIN has as much to do with image and prejudice and media influence as anything. its sad that the number one spot will get taken over by a lame ass company like toyota. if GM is losing their top spot, at least it could be to some company that aren't a bunch of liars and contrarians and by SOMEONE who can at least make an interesting car. yeah, your children won't die from asthma because we sell sell a prius but hey, we won't say anything about those sequioas we sell that get 14 mpg ifyou won't. your air is clean only because you bought a prius.

[FONT=Arial][FONT=Arial][FONT=Arial] ask your wife, she'll confirm that size matters.

the cheapest i could configure an avalon to match the equipment leve on my 500 (ltr,sunroof, etc) was 3 grand more, andthe avalon still did not have memory seats. id have SAB, but if i added 500 bucks to the ocst of my car it would still be a 2500 deficit, otherwise each may have an odd option or two that did not match. I look at the Impala SS for around 28g transaction price and it lacks some options of the Avalon, but the avalon is ugly. why spend more for ugly?

the sonata is ugly and looks like a bloated 98 escort. it does have more power, but they are already having engine issues with that car. the 500 has outstanding steering feel and a great firm ride with very good bump control. its eerily quiet at times on the road. its built damn solid and has a level of refinement that has been prised by owners and critiques alike. you can easily (if you had driven one) imagine the 500 feeling composed at speeds of 100+ mph all day. the interior of the sonata made me gag. its an ugly piece of crap the media is putting up on a throne. i cannot imagine wanting to be seen in a posuer brand sedan that pretty much telegraphs to the world that you are a cheap ass and have no desire to own anything besides a cut rate product. The sonata reminds me of selling a car at a 'dollar store'. The LaCrosse and Impala are much more desirable cars IMHO than the Sonata. seriously, you want a car that will last more than 3 years, right? then don't get the sonata! If you are going to get a Sonata, just skip it and get the Altima, Accord or Camry you really feel you should have. The Sonata is a forgettable piece. there is nothing about the sonata that is stylish, or instills a desire to own. Please use a real example next time. I swear, if that's the best you can do, I'll send the folks from the looney bin over to pick you up. The Impala is a far more desirable car than the tin can sonata. they should be seeling sonatas at walmart, that's the environment those pos's belong in. the fusion makes the sonata dated already and the sonata just came out.

do your research, the 500 offers nav, as well as dvd entertainment

you still don't get it i WAS shopping midsizers galant g6 grand prix mazda 6 impala the nissan brothers 06 passat i got more room for the same price by looking at a full sizer. sometimes folks don't limit their scope so much. just because the 500 was classified as a full sizer, doesn't mean i ruled it out. i was looking at 'what can one get, for x price'. the value equation. i would bet many other folks broaden their view of the world too. unless you're a camry or accord buyer, then you only seemingly have 2 choices. why would i buy a camry when i could either spend 28 grand on a v6 camry or 28 grand on a nice impala ss or i could get an 06 passat 2.0t with a few options or a GXP GP or even a slightly used GXP Bonne or a galant GTS or a well equipped basic maxima i am only using my example as a scenario that others use. sometimes you don't limit yourself to predefined classes the media dreams up for you. of course, who am i kidding, most Americans are pretty dumb and can't reason for themselves when it comes to car shopping. i know lots of folks that go in looking at pickups and get SUV's or crossovers. etc. some geek where i work has new Jetti GLI they likely blew 28 grand on. cute car ,er, corolla, i say.

the fusion is a great drive, but i wanted the much additional space the 500 has. the fusion v6 was not significantly faster than the 500. but it was much smaller inside.

base 500 SE's were 20 grand when i was shopping. try to find a camry 6 cylinder for that.

i guess if you aren't in those groups, you're a big phuq-qing loser....if you believe what advertising tells you and all the cultural mavens in the world.

the 500's interior is pretty nice, i would not call the camry superior. the 500's engine is kinda growly at times, and could use more torque, but the camry is no powerhouse either.

thanks, an Impala SS or GXP GP would have been nice, but a bit out of my price range. Plus, the big back seat and command seating on the 500 were a huge draw for me.

I guess if you want to blow 5 grand more, or more, you could get an avalon. yes, the 500 needs improvements, but the avalon is not that much better a car. but my point is most folks won't even stop to consider the 500 OR the FUsion, OR the impala, because its not a HIP import.

right. my 500 was better priced, has more room, and is more comfortable and rides and handles better. you're right. it doesn't compare.

my dark blue new 500 was parked next to a new dark blue camry at the grocery store yesterday. as i looked at them side by side, same color and all, i struggled to understand why the camry would be considered a superior car by so many.

yes. they are also good at engineering incentives. <_< what will REALLY PISS ME OFF this next year is if the new POS HYundai AZERA makes a big splash and gets all sorts of sales and press.

dude, they don't even give em a FIRST LOOK. I bet 2/3 of the US population, especially weathy corporate types, 'movers and shakers', execs, 'professionals', urbanites, liberals, soccer moms, ....domestics NEVER enter their radar.