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I GET WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING BUT IT WOULDN'T HURT FOR THEM TO HAVE A REAL PEAK TORQUE OF ABOUT 170 OR MORE. 140 IS TO LOW TO BE USABLE ON PUBLIC ROADS IN URBAN SETTINGS.

i like the idea of reviving the chevette, but making it much larger than a cobalt. somewhere between a cobalt and maxx, with a nice four cylinder and also a frugal one. an attractive but simple interior and great mpg and low price. reasonably simple but good mechanicals and platform.

agreed. nice idea. the problem is we are stretched so thin we also need our car payments to cover a vehcile we can use to haul kids, junk, etc. and we can't keep the extra car for economy sake. also, US is very interested in crash testing performance and the smallest cars just don't inspire trust to the buying public as far as 'can i survive a crash' from a semi truck for example

that's it in a nutshell right there for a lot of it. i can't imagine stating this problem any better.

neither of the hondas deserves it but if the civic gets it, its only due to having a hybrid available. the truck choices are sad.

what is encouraging is how it proves GM can build high feature engines that are competitive, if the management and beancounters allow them to. between this engine and the shortstar, they both made the list and represent great steps forward in the v6 arena. I would wet my pants getting to drive a direct injection, double turbo version of the 3.6hf. i bet it could peg 400hp.

product is what people want, not marketing product arises from actual need. marketing in most cases only exists to make up for piss poor product. marketing is nothing more than a whole bloated industry designed to mind f-ck people into buying crap they otherwise don't want or need in most cases, at least as far as how its evoloved in the USA. sadly, marketing is now needed in our US economy to keep it moving. Imagine the crap you would buy if you weren't bombarded by marketing 24/7. There is much debate today as to whether we are now overmarketing and whether excessive marketing repels customers. GM is stuck having to rely too much on marketing. the products need to be improved and rely less on marketing to get healthier. the product first and foremost has to be right. you can market the crap out of a BAD product, and if you sucker folks into buying it, they'll only be oeven more pissed off when they buy the inferior product and after awhile grow to hate it and the company that made it, even more and more.

not two comparable items. not everyone can afford a vermont teddy bear. vermont teddy bears are not everyman items like cars are. cars have intense price competition. if someone thinks a nice teddy bear is cute, and they are loaded, they can part with 80 bucks. GM can't spit out sloppy LeSabres and throw a 75 grand price tag on them. Plus teddy bears don't have safety regulations and all that other crap that the auto industry has.

well, maybe if one of those guys on the floor works his ass off, gets prmoted into management, works his way up the ladder, gets more education, and makes a personal investment in the company in terms of buying stock or unpaid overtime or whatever sure, then reward that person with a board seat.

we have reached a new low in human evolution. people are defending the design of a CAMRY!!!!!!!!!!! "we're done as a society"

LOL! exactly!

ugly is only one component of the equation. the engine is average in terms of output. My God, not even 140 lb. ft of torque in a PERFORMANCE CAR (Si)? at what 6500 rpm? they only place where having that useless of a powerband would benefit you in on the track. And last I checked we spend almost all our driving on the street.

that's still more torque than the Si, isn't it?

wake me please those camry pics put me to sleep. hey fly can you have one of those fancy alarm clock radios sent to my house to wake me up?

my plan for fixing GM is much simpler -much better styling across the board. take a couple brands and ditch the midwestern cruiser car motif and go euro. tighten those panel gaps more. -enormously better interior designs and quality including decent seats and really nice plastic. this is GM's single greatest flaw still. -better engines and powertains across the board including ditching all the 'underteched' pushrod v6's, even if only for marketing reasons. -more feature content and whizbang features per car -lower msrp's or at least correlation between MSRP and sell price. -getting the albatross (unions and supplier contracts) off their backs that keep them from flexible and profitable manufacturing HERE in the US. -educating car salesmen on how to treat customers instead of spending their time being asses, smoking in public (how inviting is that to the general public), and not studying up on their product. and finally Jill Wagner in a tight stretchy LOW cut top selling GM cars instead of Mercury's.

by limited in appeal i mean, NARROW demographic as opposed to BROAD demographic. overextended but overly image conscious twentysomethings, ricers, and hybrid ecoweenies who couldn't wait for the Prius may buy the car in droves. hey, its a decent car. it just completely lacks overwhelming credentials to be CAR OF THE YEAR.

i guess if we all magincally revert to age 28 and just saw 'fast and furious' for the 28th time.

sure, because i was there with calipers and stuff to measure the gaps myself.

the ford motor is questionable. the hemi that made the list should have been the SRT version, although the lesser hemi has DOD. imagine if GM had gone ahead with the twin turbo intercooled HF 3.6. I think that would be an excellent STS and CTS motor. And seeing the nasty weight distribution on the STSv, they could benefit from a little less weight under the hood.

Best Interstate Cruiser Cadillac DTS no reason to be ashamed about that. although the Lienerts and Jobs of the world must be in a huff because some toyota didn't make it.

why would i want a crappy ricer civic when the Mazda3 is a classy appealing car. push it all you want. the new civic is ordinary, cheesy, and limited in appeal.

want one so bad

watching adult movies on this thing would be strange.

maybe someday we'll have to get a sheryl crow shrine going -in the lounge.