G. David Felt

I get the old Manuals, I grew up learning to drive in the mid 70's on a 3 on the tree and those you had to listen to the RPMs and had specific shift points. Later on, once you did have a proper experience in shifting, you could do it clutch free as you speed shift at just the right upper RPM going through the gears. I made sure both my kids knew how to drive manuals so they could drive anything. Now it is no big deal or needed.

Ya mean they actually crushed them? Wonder if they were models that could not be fixed cheaply.

I agree that there seems to be some funny math or they are not clearly stating what the positive or negative number means. I was wondering if maybe from 2013 to 2014 the Suburban dropped and then the top 4 staid static but that does not seem to work either since they say it dropped 2. My take away is that trucks and suv's seem to last.

I loved the way a Manual Corvette shifted, I have to disagree with his comment on the rough bad manuals out of America.

At lite as a modern day car!

Today Bankruptcy is used and abused by both businesses and People.

Agree, I know Brazil, but not sure of anything else in South America or central America besides Mexico. @Drew Dowdell Do you know if GM has any other manufacturing besides what has been mentioned and if it is affected by Venezuela? I have not found anything but then I could be missing it in my bing search.

Totally agree with what is stated here, I suspect manual will be gone in 5 years from most markets if not all. After market will be the source of parts but most just want to shift and go even in performance.

Not one sided but the study of society in general has shown that humans when they get a positive care less about why they got it than when they get a negative. This is very understandable, with that stated it also goes hand in hand with people being able to accept the negative when they understand why it was given even if they disagree with the negative. Humans for the most part have always behaved this way. Very clearly it is a part of the psychology of our mind. Call it one sided, but if you review human history, you see this pattern over and over.

Sounds like something we would be debating with SMK.

Your Funny!

It is slowly going down! @FordCosworth I understand your point your stating as I also do not get upset by a red arrow. I do like to know why someone thought to downvote me but to each their own. Not gonna worry about it and just move on. My Wine Glass is Half Full!

With a 10% Plugin Hybrid / EV sales level for 2018 on 2019 models. It will be interesting to see what all the auto companies do for China next year. Here people thought CARB and EPA were tough.

I see voting up or down as one way to agree or disagree with a persons comments. In civil society, most people who up vote might or might not make a comment and move on and people accept this. We all like to feel good. In civil society, when you downvote, it is expected that you would also post your thoughts on why it is a down vote and not just vote down. As stated by others this is seen as vote trolling. We here at C&G encourage all forms of discussion and debate and only ask that if you are going to downvote someone, then post why you disagree with them. Fairness and integrity is all that is being asked of posters to this forum and that you at least respect even if you disagree with what people post. We will never always agree on everything but we can agree to disagree seeing each others views and still move forward. This is civil society and what I expect and I imagine many others here expect also. Sounds like a more civil way to debate.

Very Nice, My son also yesterday decided he is ready to upgrade from his first car purchase of his Jeep Patriot. He is going to upgrade to this beauty: 2017 Jeep GC Altitude Edition all Black

Crazy when what ever you want to call what happened in Venezuela be it socialism, dictatorship, communism, etc. has made life harder on the citizens and stopped to the point of rusting mess on infrastructure projects that would have brought a better way of life to them. Case in point is the rotting dam left after American companies pulled out when the Socialist leader took over the oil companies and started to make state owned everything else. This led to loss of thousands of jobs, not to mention the lack of electricity that would have been generated and available to the people.

Makes one wonder just how fast we will change over from an ICE to an EV culture once people have test drove an EV. Since Torque is 100% from Zero, the smoothness that you experience is just amazing. Anyone that has driven a Tesla, Bolt, Leaf knows this and realizes, HP is a piece of the puzzle that moves an auto. Torque is the more important piece and allows one to have a truly satisfying experience of silky smooth motion. I agree with you that I would take the smoothness of the older V6 over the 4 banger.

Interesting, Wonder if GM or Ford would consider building an EV or Plugin Hybrid in China for the credit it would give them?

ON TOPIC!!!! According to this NBC NEWS Story: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/general-motors-says-venezuelan-officials-illegally-seize-plant-n748741 GM has called it quits, but is being far more honorable than other companies and especially the political environment. GM is going to pay their employees Separation benefits as they are forced to stop all productions and sales in the country due to the illegal seizure by the government. GM hopes that once they run the courts in addressing this illegal act, the can come back to be the leader once again in the market with jobs and products. This shows how great the GM CEO is in dealing with world wide issues. She could just walk away and pretty much no one would blame her, but she wants to continue to take care of the workers and hopes to be back in the market asap. Mary you rock!

Totally agree! Awesome new profile Pic Drew!!! @oldshurst442 I get what your saying but I think a nod to the heritage of the Fin can and should be done via the tail lights. Cadillac has done a very respectable job on the current taillights that acknowledge the tail fin history.

@ccap41 So if someone brings a Pineapple towards you do you freak out and run the other way?

Tail Fins seem to have come back in the way Cadillac has fashioned their rear lights.

Nicely Done

Agreed, they could use this 420hp, 560 lb-ft of torque racing ev motor and have an awesome car that enthusiast would love. This AM Racing motor is based on the very proven Remy 250-90 cartridge rotor using their HVH technology. (High Voltage Hairpin) This high efficiency permanent magnet motor is housed in a billet aluminum case with an integrated oil pump, and water/glycol heat exchanger. Mainly used in race applications, this motor is designed for long life use, and is perfectly suited for high output daily driving applications. Can be used in conjunction with the Rhinehart 100kW or 150kW motor controller/inverter, and this Dual Stack version is ideal for very high output applications. Requires dual controllers for operation. Motor Diameter: 10.5 InchesMotor Case Length: 11.25 InchesMotor Shaft Length End to End: 18.5 InchesMotor Type: Brushless Permanent MagnetBrushes: NoWeight: 180 lbs.Max Voltage Input: 360 VoltsIntegrated Sensors: Encoder, temperatureRated Torque: 560 Lb Ft Peak (w/150kW controller)Rated Power: 420 HP Peak (w/150kW controller)Max RPM: 10,000Drive End Shaft: 32 spline 35.5 mmThermal Cooling: Internal oil pump with water heat exchange True, but to a very limited plan that the public is aware of compare to what other OEM's have announced and are stating to have in the next 5 years. As I posted in this thread, Which I also posted about Jeeps 3 row Plugin Hybrid SUV, I have to wonder what GM's plan is long term for EVs. They really need to communicate better. Yes they have been investing long term, but we have seen very little for the so called long term investment and it would help them to market their long term thinking of how they plan to capitalize on the Volt and Bolt Systems.