G. David Felt

I would agree with you on the distinction if it was not for the fact like @balthazar makes a point of lumping them all together as the bulk of society really does not care or know the difference you point out now. Like splitting hairs of a medium brown versus dark brown.

They had to take 50+ years before Fins on roofs became the new norm as an Antenna.

Starting off the July thread, saw this Mini Mini Van from Subaru of Japan imported into Washington. Right hand drive So tiny compared to the GMC pickup.

WOW, Explain please your Kool Aid brand of almost 10% down. ?

I have come to love Papa Murphys pizza, take n bake, Love at 425! My favorite pizza from them is the Gourmet Delite Crispy thin crust. 16" Chicken Bacon Artichoke, I can eat the whole thing. 16" Backup Pie is their Herb Chicken Mediterranean.

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/07/02/mercedes-benz-electric-vans-fuel-cell/ Mercedes-Benz is planning to have a fuel-cell delivery van in 2019, yet the BIG NEWS is that starting in the fall, August to October time frame, they are going to start selling their pure electric delivery van globally. These vans will have a top speed of 75 mph with a 150 kilometer range or about 95 miles. 112 HP, 221 Lb-ft of torque and can carry 2,365 pounds of payload. There is also a Luxury Class A camper from Mercedes-Benz now. https://videos.vidible.tv/prod/2016-06/16/5761c5ace4b07a81b865387b_853x480_v3.mp4?rZ4uYOYDEQxcX2N8jJxdvxM1fQfWLPwqIaRF0tQ0aUYAvKcIlBn_rjo6a0CDk3i0 This is very cool camper bus with garage.

All good Drew, Happy to be a QA Tester for you as I appreciate what you do to pay the bills. Like @Cubical-aka-Moltar I get white spaces and weird formatting on Chrome / Opera and worse on Firefox. Here is Opera Seems the web site will not even come up on Edge. So much for the Pure HTML5 browser.

That is how I feel about NYC pizza and the stomach hell it gives me after eating it. Way too acidic for me. Like me some godfathers though!

I do, just way at the bottom after scrolling a few pages. Really weird as if our Forum is possessed by Potus Sarcasm folks, Sarcasm.

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/06/29/chinese-owned-mg-plans-an-awd-electric-roadster-to-rival-miata/ Have to say this is sexy as hell and way better looking than the Miata!

Some really weird things are happening with the site today, I have right mouse clicked on threads and had it open in a new tab and have me not signed in and when I try I cannot get in to comment. I also have huge white spaces that pop up in random places on the page.

Except Arrogant Musk does not want to follow what the auto industry has learned over the last 100+ years. His I can do it better without starting with what the auto industry has already learned and improved from there is his downfall.

Very cool as the Golden Sahara has reappeared. http://autoweek.com/article/classic-cars/basement-find-golden-sahara-back-public-eye?ite=27730&ito=1250

Where, Sterling Heights, Ann Arbor, one of the surrounding bedroom communities? Indianapolis, Cleveland and Cincinnati I would think already have their own auto shows. So I would have to think it would be a local community rather than downtown detroit. Maybe they can host it in Pontiac, I doubt any of the surrounding communities has a big enough place to host the show.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/02/elon-musk-model-3-tent-tesla/ This is interesting as they have some interesting figures as provided by Tesla. 20% of the Tesla 3 cars were produced in their fancy assembly line tent. Which was 5,031 cars built in a tent. So musk tweeted this, but the facts boil down to the following: As reported by Tesla today, Monday July 2nd, 28,578 Model 3's were produced in Q2 overshadowing S & X models which produced 24,761. Q2 Productions up 55% over Q1 Delivery breakdown of Q2 40,740 autos: Model 3: 18,440 Model S: 10,930 Model X: 11,370 Since July 2017 at the splashy hand over to the first customer event, Tesla has delivered a total of 28,386 Model 3 vehicles. Tesla says they will continue to ramp up to 6,000 model 3's a week by the end of July. Target delivery for Model S & X auto's is still at 100,000 by Dec 31st 2018. Based on current numbers for Q1 & Q2 of S&X models, Tesla is looking at the following numbers: Q1 S=11,730 + Q2 S=10,930 = 22,660 Q1 x=10,070 + Q2 x=11,370 = 21,440 First half S&X sales = 44,100 As we enter a slowing economy, I have to question Tesla being able to make up that roughly 22,000 shortfall in auto sales. Model 3 numbers are as follows Q1 = 8,180 + Q2 = 18,440 = 26,620 Conservative if they can keep 5,000 a week production, means Q3 & Q4 will add 130,000 cars for the 26 weeks left in the year. If they can boost it to 6,000 a week by the end of July, they will hit 152,000 cars built. I suspect that hitting 100,000 cars for the Model 3 is about as good as it will get for 2018 and if they can hit 100,000 for the S&X that is 200,000 auto's for the company. big improvement but not the millions made by other OEMs. Bigger question, will they actually turn a profit? http://ir.tesla.com/financial-information/quarterly-results

I stand totally corrected by @Drew Dowdell and @Cubical-aka-Moltar You guys have convinced me of a better way forward for Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep and Ram than anything Fiat / Alfa / Maserati could do. I am assuming that the whole FCA mess would have to be bought, so maybe Fiat could actually get a superior subcompact platform from Hyundai to replace the garbage they currently have.

August 18th 2018 is this years show. So doing an Monday to Wednesday for reporters and Thursday to Sunday for the public would make it August 13th to 19th. That would be a win win for everyone having the autoshow plus the Woodward making a blast of a time for auto enthusiasts.

As much as I like the piss and vinegar that comes out of Musk, I have to question if they can keep this pace up and going with quality. Revisit in 30, 60 and 90 days to see if they do keep it up.

My Bad, ok they state 53 miles on the web site, though I have seen stories that have reported higher range on battery only. So yes the Prius prime does compete, weird as I could have sworn that I had read from Chevy that it was higher with Gen 2 for pure electric range. OK, just read the fine details, depending on temp, altitude, driving style, etc. range can very as high as 84 with a low of 40, so I must have been remembering in a mild climate that you can get longer electric only mode. True, there is the iSeries from BMW which is the only global Hybrid from them and Toyota. Course everything is changing fast now that everyone is rolling out hybrid / EV models globally. Example is the Korean Hyundai Ioniq product line. Back at the beginning, it was just Prius, then Volt and now more. I stand corrected. Dodge is truly behind in the hybrid / ev world, but then Sergio is to blame for this. As he went after dumping the billions in profits into resurrecting Alfa.

Honestly, I see no valid reason for Hyundai to do this, I can see the 80 year old leader stirring the pot to create attention for the company but not really going through with this. The future for FCA is a break up I believe and closer of some product lines. FCA was foolish to waste billions on Alfa to bring it back to life and Fiat can be the Dodge of Europe but otherwise their auto's are garbage that has no valid use in the US or other markets. Sergio's leadership has been a political game of making money for this 1% club friends but no real growth of the company. He has failed in regards to growing the company and properly investing back into said name sakes. Sergio Failure could be the death of all these brands long term if someone does not properly step up and close down the brands that are sucking life from the company and allow to flourish those brands that can.

I have to disagree, that none have anything that competes head to head with the BOLT or VOLT. I do not see how a plug-in hybrid with 30 miles of pure electric charge competes with the 84 miles of the VOLT. None have an EV auto with 238 miles of pure EV range yet. In regards to the corvette, yes some do compete, but price point is interesting as they have been much higher priced, I do think Corvette is starting to get up there in price, but you still do have a very powerful 50K car with V8 that I do not see any equal to from Europe or Asia.

Nice write up and interesting to see the contrasts between the two. Sadly, with todays CPO auto's, one could get a nicer auto for that money forgoing the new and depreciation hit and ending up with a nicer ALMOST NEW car in the next class or two above.

Instructions say to chill the container of water that you mix the stuff in the night before to have it as ice cold as possible for ease of drinking and keeping it down. ? I guess before it shoots out the other end. My first enema. ?

Yes you can run Hydrogen if it is a semi gas on a regular engine, after that if you run it at the better format of pure liquid at 10,000 PSI, the engine needs special parts due to the pressure and still you end up with poor energy output. As I stated, gas / semi gas is one-three-hundreth of the energy compared to the same gallon of petro and when in pure liquid state is only one-quarter the energy and yet it takes depending on the format to create the hydrogen fuel anywhere from 5 times or more energy to produce that same gallon of liquid fuel at pure zero temp which then takes cooling to keep it there. Very Clean, but very inefficient compared to CNG or CNG powered electricity for an EV. 1839 the fuel cell has been around since then and no real efficient way to get the same energy power out of hydrogen compared to petro.