G. David Felt

Hi Balthazar, I will look and see if I can find any direct comparisons. The closest and why I think this way is companies that have been covered in the news and are at the build up stage to go mass production such as the following story: QuantumScape's New Solid-State Battery Is Twice as Energy-Dense as Lithium-Ion (singularityhub.com) Quote: Today’s lithium-ion batteries rely on a liquid electrolyte to ferry lithium ions between an anode (the negative electrode) made of graphite and a cathode (the positive electrode), which can be made from a variety of materials. The promise of a solid-state lithium metal battery is that you can swap out that graphite anode for one made of pure lithium and do away with the liquid electrolyte in favor of a solid one. This would obviously dramatically increase the energy density of the battery and is the reason scientists and engineers have been striving after the idea for decades. As we move away from early rare earth elements, we move towards solutions that use Silicon and Graphene over graphite. These materials are in abundance and cheap which is what will help to reduce battery cost and eventually stop the use of child labor in Africa for Colbalt as we stop using it. UPDATE on Quantum as they go into Pilot Production of less expensive solid state batteries not using rare earth elements such as Cobalt, Nickle and Magnesium. QuantumScape’s Next Step: Multilayer Solid-State Battery Cell Volume Production, CEO Says (forbes.com) Excellent info for those wanting to understand the changes coming from todays batteries built with rare earth elements to solid state batteries. EV Battery: What Materials are Behind It? (Anode and Cathode) (matmatch.com) Additional good high level info on battery and the changes coming. How solid-state batteries can transform electric cars - Roadshow (cnet.com) This I feel is a really good take on Solid State batteries and what we gain going from traditional Lithium-ion to solid state. The State of Solid-State Lithium Batteries (batterytechonline.com) Many sites have the same news today, but this one seemed to be the most complete on Solid State Batteries race: FutureBridge Predicts Solid-State Battery Cost Will Match Lithium-Ion By 2025 (insideevs.com) Pretty much the goal of auto companies and Toyota, Panasonic and the whole Japanese consortium that is planning to move into pilot production this year with auto use of solid state batteries by 2025 believe they can have solid stated batteries or SSB being equal in price with higher density to Lithium-Ion by 2025 with these Solid State Batteries to be good for 30 years retaining 90% of their charge holding power after 3 decades. Quote: Toyota says it is aiming for its SSBs to have a lifespan of 30 years - by that it means they should still retain 90 percent of their original capacity after three decades of normal use. Quote: analysis of the 2020 patent landscape in SSBs identified 426 published patent filings. China and US witnessed the highest patenting activity with 21% of the total filings each, followed by Japan with 18% filings. Toyota, Panasonic, Nippon, Hyundai, Murata Manufacturing, and LG Chem were among the leaders. Carmakers accounted for 28% of the SSB patent filings, led by Toyota and followed by Hyundai and Honda. The remaining 72% of filings came from diverse players like battery manufacturers, automotive suppliers, chemical companies, and academia. Quote: Back in 2010, the cost per 1 kWh in lithium-ion batteries was over $1,000 and in the space of a decade, it has gone down nearly tenfold. It is predicted that the cost of lithium-ion batteries will keep going down and that by 2030, the average price per 1 kWh will dip below $60. It currently seems implausible that SSBs would drop so much in cost by then, but with the sheer number of companies actively working on this, a breakthrough that could allow it is not out of the question.

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Too funny that you say politician as I am anything but, yet I do look forward to what the future will bring.

Awesome, I would love to be in a custom ranch style rambler. Sadly, that would require me moving to an area that has slow internet speed which I need for work and the wife not being near our kids and the suburban area. So I am planning to remodel and add onto my house with a mother-inlaw apartment which I can rent out till my old age makes having a single level living space a must, then the daughter will move back home into the rest of the house is the plan. We will expand the regular house to have a more professional kitchen since the wife and I love to cook and remodel the rest of the house with an updated master bedroom. Love to see pictures of your house some time.

Valid points, but I still believe that science will find a way to increase density while reducing cost and moving to more natural, plentiful material in a solid state battery.

Yes, I say living in the past not last century people. There are those here that look at life of ICE as a point in time and are not believing that it will change, living in the past. I also pointed out how everything has continued to change and I also have posted that I accept that some want to live in the past with old tech. We each have our choice, but technology and change of auto's is the reality and it is happening and will happen and ICE will go away. So you have a choice of living in the past or moving forward with the bulk of humanity into the future. Simple. Yes and they also ignored that the race is on to due away with Cobalt and Nickle. The core still needing Lithium which Canada does mine as well as Chile. Lucky that China has not secured the bulk of the worlds lithium supplies in Chile while they have in Africa. Tesla, GM, VW and Diamler have all stated they have working prototypes of batteries that have higher energy storage using alternative solid state substrate materials and have these updated batteries in testing as they build production sites. Competition will force to keep prices in check. I do not agree with Goldman Sachs report.

Very nice house Robert. Here they call them a tri-level house as it looks like the right side is at a different level then the bedrooms over the garage area which are different than the right living space area. Love these homes and the brick work.

Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Where does one begin when one has (ASSUMPTION) not ever been to India. I work with plenty of Indian Engineers who will back me up on this having grown up in India. First off the lite population areas are pretty much farming areas and for a population of 1.3 Billion the cities are packed, traffic is packed all the time. Lets also go with a modern map not one from 2001. Plus some web sites so you can check the facts yourselve. India Population 1950-2021 | MacroTrends Here is just the population change from 2000 to 2020, They had 1,056,575,549 people and in 2020 they had 1,380,004,385 people for a gain of 323,428,836 more people. If your up to it, you can review the actual India census info. They last did it in 2011, 2021 is the year for updating detailed census data. Census of India Website : Office of the Registrar General & Census Commissioner, India (censusindia.gov.in) Here is the statistical data for the country showing just how populated the country of India is at almost 1.4 Billion people with a land mass of 3,287,263 sq km compared to the US at 9,833,517 sq km or 3 times bigger and yet we only have about 400 million people. So yes the place is very crowded. India population 2020 - StatisticsTimes.com India is a cast system country that has been working very hard to build a middle income class. Usually families will pool together money to send one child to college to get into tech and then expect him to help out the rest of the family to get more members to college. Bikes are common to India, auto's are for the rich. Fact in comparison to the US which is the opposite. Current map from the sites listed of current population by region.

Common sense not so common me think!

Thank you, Yes I live in a basic Split level House built in 1952, total of 1600 sq ft. 4 bedroom 1 3/4 bath on a 1/4 acre pie shape lot in a Cul-D-Sac. Here is from the latest snow storm here this year. Poor SS got caught out in the Snow. ?

So true, I see the NY airport is now looking to confiscate the plane due to the storage cost, repairs needed and Trump ignoring the airport billing. So funny that the so called Billionaire is unable to pay his bills. Seems he is now traveling in a much less luxury style. Photos Reveal Trump's Broken and Grounded Private Plane (businessinsider.com) OUCH, that Rolls Royce engine is not cheap to fix, but for him it should be pocket change. Cheap or broke, interesting and funny. Joke of the day for this:

Actually as a person that has been in India many times, even among the wealthier families, bikes are preferred due to the terrible road system and lack of signals such that riding a bike is easier to get around than in an auto. This is pretty much average traffic making a bike to get around a superior way to travel.

Putting this in numbers in a market that Bikes is the primary form of transportation and they sold 17,420,000 bikes in India with 1,520,000 sold were EV form, that is 8.7256% of sales were EV and they are averaging 20.9% sales gain of EV bikes over ICE. At this rate, yes by 2030 they can replace ICE bikes with EV bikes for sure. Electric Scooter & Bike Sales In India For FY 2020: Registers A 20.6% Growth With Low-Speed Scooters Accounting For 90% Of The Total Sales - DriveSpark News Auto's will be a bigger challenge as I posted above 156,000 EV auto's were sold in 2020 on sales of 2,770,000 auto sales or 5.631% of sales in 2020. If this stayed the same at 5% a year, yes over the next 9 years that would only be a 45% replacement and so a challenge, but I as the industry also expects as more auto EV options come on the market will see a bigger change over.

This is also a country where Bikes (mopeds to motorcycles) outsell auto's by millions. They are selling over a million EV Bikes a year as I posted earlier. The middle income class and up are buying auto's but the size of the country does not favor auto's over bikes in all forms. Having visited India plenty of times with a Team in Bangalore and Pune, I see bikes everywhere compared to auto's.

You are right I DO NOT have an EV YET. But then due to my size and the desires of the wife, no EV meets our needs yet. Hummer and Rivian will be the first, so who knows what the future will hold for us. Appreciate the discussion by you and @balthazar I love these civil discussions about an industry we all care about.

Here is how my garden was towards the end of the season. August 2020

@A Horse With No Name Skiing every weekend, also have started to get the garden going with planting of seeds in our greenhouse but plan to have another solid garden year like last year. 2020 garden.

Totally respect that. Same here at 53, the focus is on quality of meal to balance my active life style. Core strength to stand tall and straight with healthy body.

No Miss information. Costs have gone up, pay has gone up not in proportion to costs, but everything has gone up. GM like Ford has committed to doing there best to include everyone in moving to the EV generation. Bolt has come down, but it will never be a $15K auto as costs no longer support auto's priced like that. Costs over all have gone up. Just look at wood at Home Depot. September of 2020 a 1/2" sheet of Plywood 4ftx8ft was $24.00 and Now it is double at $48.00. I get this is due to the crazy winter storm hitting the midwest/south with refineries being down. I expect cost to come down some, but my gut tells me we will be looking at higher prices over all moving forward. Not Tone Deaf, but history proven. We cannot live in the past, we can enjoy it for what it was, but society moves forward and those that fight change are left behind. Reality, welcome to the 21st century which will be much the same as the 20th century and 19th century and so on and so on. Change in society, technology and taxes are the only consistency that seems still move forward. Enjoy your living in a single moment in time, I will embrace the change of global society and the movement forward that is beneficial for all humans.

Quality is very important to me too, but there should be no problem having quality with quantity. I honestly do not get these places that charge for what I would consider a normal size meal for most Americans and they serve you a little tiny bit of food saying quality and experience is better. Not so when you tummy tells ya your still hungry and it is rumbling. I get that everyone has different needs of food, and I get that European eating is very different than American eating. But do not give me this elegant style eating of 2 bites please. Do not forget the nut cracker Glutes!

So India through 2020 is showing a 20% year over year increase in EV sales. Interesting is that Tata like GM in China has the number 1 selling EV in India. This is the first year for EV sales in any volume, but with Government incentives EVs for those that buy auto's are starting. Bigger market is the EV mopeds as bikes outsell auto's in India. Indian EV Bike sales are up 20.9% year over year to 1.52 million EV Bikes sold in India. Tata Nexon EV Becomes No 1 Selling Electric Car In India For 2020 (rushlane.com) 20 Best Electric Bikes & Scooters In India [2021] - A Comprehensive List (carbikeindia.com) Electric Scooter & Bike Sales In India For FY 2020: Registers A 20.6% Growth With Low-Speed Scooters Accounting For 90% Of The Total Sales - DriveSpark News

Like all new technology, the cost is higher at the beginning, but always goes down and we have both Hybrid and pure electric. Companies that want to continue and grow will have to adapt and change. Many cities around the world have announced a ban on diesel construction equipment. Just like the NY gas company that had their first electric backhoe, there is always a starting point. This is from 2019 when multiple cities from the Asian Rim and Europe announced bans on diesel construction equipment. Electrified Construction Equipment | OEM Off-Highway Yes there will be those here that call the west coast tree hugging crazy, but cities here have announced reviews for when to transition from diesel to electric construction equipment. The EPA up to 2019 was in lock step with the European Union for emissions. Now Europe has a Tier 5 in place with a plan to eventually ban all diesel especially in construction. As such, the current plan is for allowing clean running Hybrid heavy construction equipment. The Industry sees a very real possible change to pure electric within 20 years. This means that by 2039 all diesel construction equipment will be dead for new as everything will be electric. Electric Dreams: Will Heavy Construction Equipment Go All-Electric? (constructconnect.com) In regards to onsite fueling, I have always seen from state, county and city governments to major and medium construction sites using on site refueling. Yes small business will probably not have a need for this since they usually trailer their construction gear there and back daily for some jobs. Here is a company I see all the time around here fueling up work sites. Site Fuel | National Fuel Delivery | Onsite Refueling

Electric is not the cure all for everything, but it does offer an amazing change in society with no noise and no smell and with proper planning you can have them recharged and ready to go in the morning. Flip it this way, the guy that is supposed to show up to refuel your diesel tractor, did not refuel his own truck in the evening, gets up to do his run and has to stop to fuel up, but the gas stations are all closed since the ones by him are not open 24/7. He now sits on the side of the road awaiting someone to bring him fuel and so he misses getting to his lot to fill up all the tanks and get out to the site to refuel your tractor and you now have an empty fuel tank on the job and unable to work. This goes both ways. While yes a modern pickup truck might be much quieter than they used to be with GM being the quietest, Ford and RAM are still super noisy from an engine stand point and all still stink so unless your auto has inside cabin air filters you still get the stench of diesel and even worse when an older truck goes by blowing out the toxic black smoke. Like you said, they all have their place in work and society, but that does not mean we cannot keep working to make them better and remove the toxic stench, noise pollution and have a cleaner quieter work area. If Diesel is the perfect solution, then why does John Deer, Kubota, Nortac, EGO and so many companies build residential to small business tractors? If Diesel is the perfect solution, then why does Caterpillar, Komatsu, John Deer, Bobcat, Cummins all are now starting to make electric bulldozers and excavators? Right now Hybrids are starting to out sell traditional diesel as you have a generator that is much quieter with a pure electric power train doing superior work.