G. David Felt

Agree, I think the artist really did a nice job on a future S2000 car.

They are very popular around here especially in the road rally clubs.

Mercedes-Benz is VERY LAUGHABLE, they only plan to have 6, SIX BEV on the global market by 2025 compared to 30 by GM, 8 by Ford, 100 by Stellantis, hell will just copy and past from the Tesla thread. Even BMW will have more BEVs than Mercedes-Benz according to their press releases and various news sources talking to them. Benz will have maybe 3 models by 2025 in the US. According to the current released numbers, here is what each auto maker says they will have on the global market in BEVs by 2025 to 2030: Honda / Acura - Using GM Ultium batteries and powertrain - 2 in 2024, 8 by 2030 BMW / Mini / Rolls Royce - 12 models by 2025, full lineup electric for all brands by 2030 Ford / Lincoln - 8 models by 2025, all electric by 2035 gm - Chevrolet/GMC/Buick/Cadillac - 30 models by 2025, world wide fully electric on all brands by 2035 Volkswagen - 50 models by 2025, world wide fully electric by 2030 Audi - 5 models by 2025, pure electric by 2035 Bentley - 8 models by 2025, pure bev only by 2030 Nissan - 12 models by 2025, electric only by 2035 Toyota - 6 models by 2025, others as demand increases Subaru - 6 models by 2025, full hybrid in all product lines by 2035, possible all electric by 2050 Hyundai/Kia/Genesis - 23 models by 2025 Volvo - 8 models by 2025, all electric by 2030 Mazda - 3 models by 2025, all electric by 2050 Daimler/Mercedes-Benz/Smart - 6 models by 2025, electric only by 2040 Mitsubishi - 6 models by 2025, all hybrid by 2025, pure electric by 2050 Stellantis - 100 models by 2025, all electric by 2030 Maserati - 6 models by 2025, all electric by by 2030 Jaguar Land Rover - 12 models by 2025, electric only by 2035 Tesla - 6 models by 2025 not including commercial products. Company pure EV already Rivian - 3 by 2025, future products undefined at this time Lordstown - 1 model by 2022, undefined for the future, latest legal problems could imply the company might close Lucid - 2 models by 2022, 5 by 2025, undefined past 2025 at this time Bollinger - 1 model in 2022, 3 by 2025, undefined past 2025 Geely - New EV division of the parent company, to use their Sea EV Platform to produce 2 models by 2022, 6 models by 2025 with global sales. 100 pure electric start ups in China, what if any actually make it out of the country, but many choices across Asia.

According to the current released numbers, here is what each auto maker says they will have on the global market in BEVs by 2025 to 2030: Honda / Acura - Using GM Ultium batteries and powertrain - 2 in 2024, 8 by 2030 BMW / Mini / Rolls Royce - 12 models by 2025, full lineup electric for all brands by 2030 Ford / Lincoln - 8 models by 2025, all electric by 2035 gm - Chevrolet/GMC/Buick/Cadillac - 30 models by 2025, world wide fully electric on all brands by 2035 Volkswagen - 50 models by 2025, world wide fully electric by 2030 Audi - 5 models by 2025, pure electric by 2035 Bentley - 8 models by 2025, pure bev only by 2030 Nissan - 12 models by 2025, electric only by 2035 Toyota - 6 models by 2025, others as demand increases Subaru - 6 models by 2025, full hybrid in all product lines by 2035, possible all electric by 2050 Hyundai/Kia/Genesis - 23 models by 2025 Volvo - 8 models by 2025, all electric by 2030 Mazda - 3 models by 2025, all electric by 2050 Daimler/Mercedes-Benz/Smart - 6 models by 2025, electric only by 2040 Mitsubishi - 6 models by 2025, all hybrid by 2025, pure electric by 2050 Stellantis - 100 models by 2025, all electric by 2030 Maserati - 6 models by 2025, all electric by by 2030 Jaguar Land Rover - 12 models by 2025, electric only by 2035 Tesla - 6 models by 2025 not including commercial products. Company pure EV already Rivian - 3 by 2025, future products undefined at this time Lordstown - 1 model by 2022, undefined for the future, latest legal problems could imply the company might close Lucid - 2 models by 2022, 5 by 2025, undefined past 2025 at this time Bollinger - 1 model in 2022, 3 by 2025, undefined past 2025 Geely - New EV division of the parent company, to use their Sea EV Platform to produce 2 models by 2022, 6 models by 2025 with global sales. 100 pure electric start ups in China, what if any actually make it out of the country, but many choices across Asia. These Automakers Now Plan an All-Electric Future - The Detroit Bureau Stellantis reveals key details of electrification plans - electrive.com Volvo Confirms All EV Plan by 2030 with Internet Only Sales | MotorWeek Here Are Automakers' Plans for Adding More Electric Vehicles to Their Lineups - Consumer Reports Plus got the numbers from the various auto companies press releases on their web site. This list which I know is not complete, implies that 327 models of BEVs will be on sale globally by 2025 with more un-identified brands / startups. I think Tesla will have a challenge on their hands from the largest OEMs, not to mention smaller startups especially in China. Tesla will not be gone, but I question if they will be the company they are today, especially independent.

Honda S2000 is right up there as a rally car that people love much like the Mazda Miata. Recent prices for the used S2000 market have the prices on the rise for the High Revving 4 cylinder 2 door sports car. Rain Prisk, an designer decided it was time to envision what a Modern Honda S2000 would look like on the gm Ultium platform. What are your thoughts on this design for an AWD BEV sports car? Would the auto market embrace RWD/AWD sports cars? Facebook https://www.facebook.com/rainprisk/photos/a.690277364396394/4008193479271416/?type=3

We will see as 2025 is not that far off when clearly 100's of BEVs are going to be on the market and we will know then if Tesla can survive on it's own or not. I am thinking not!

Yes Space X is it's own company run by the same CEO as Tesla, so Yes it does matter as he is distracted on how to live on Mars and send people there. His focus is NOT on Tesla only, just like the solar panels or wall power. He is a distracted CEO that is hurting IMHO not helping Tesla as much as he should be.

Why is it laughable? If you believe in the product, you believe that those around you want the same quality of world class product, that is all it takes to start a move that way. No one would hire a president that only believes they build mediocre products. While you believe that MB builds the best, plenty of people think otherwise and you know I see MB as just another competitor to GM from Chevrolet to Cadillac. MB is an entry level to mid to luxury level auto maker, They are the Toyota of German auto's on par with some models but better than VW, equal to BMW which is also another Chevrolet to Cadillac auto builder under a single name plate but with other problem step siblings.

If MB is so great and reliable, then why do they not post their actual testing and certification of the process? Why is there no details of what 99.65% of what particles? What size Hepa filter is this? So many unanswered questions with a fictional certification. Tesla at least posts their testing and Hepa Filter size. Putting the Tesla HEPA Filter and Bioweapon Defense Mode to the Test | Tesla

So MB DOES NOT state it follows the DIN EN 1822 standard as it is not stated anywhere on their web sites. Motoring has never had a problem quoting false data also, so while the 1822 standard is a Hepa Standard for Europe. EN 1822 Standard. Absolute Filters (EPA, HEPA and ULPA) | Venfilter Air filters and industrial ventilation Again, MB does not state it as such. The ZG 250-1 certification seems to be a made up certification by MB and Anyone can state their product filter removes a high percentage of particles, but that is an OPEN book on how they test their own product. Where is the independent testing to back this up? As an OPTIONAL add on, that also means the whole ventilation system is compromised so 99.65% is pretty much impossible to enforce.

Today Rivian released the most detailed interior review to date. WOW, liking what I am seeing from the Panoramic roof and audio system to the little details. This is a huge step ahead from what Tesla has out and the EQS that comes out at the end of 2021 as a 2022 model. The Inside Story by Rivian - Rivian Stories Seating Details A few weeks back, Rivian also posted a detailed review of their R1T exterior you can view here: Sizing up the R1T by Rivian - Rivian Stories Official Dimensions

Where is this stated on MB web site? Media Site? Press Release as I have not seen it or read it. Nothing posted here: Daimler Global Media Site Nothing posted here: Mercedes-Benz Cars - Daimler Global Media Site Nothing posted here: Mercedes-EQ - Daimler Global Media Site Especially here seems nothing in rereading this about that level of air filtration: ‘This is for you, world’ - the marketing campaign for the EQS - Daimler Global Media Site Looking through this I cannot seem to find it either: The new EQS - Mercedes me media (mercedes-benz.com) No mention of it in the streamed live press release: Mercedes-Benz – Livestream. Finally found it, no mention of at good as a Hospital operating room, only states the EQS has a Hepa filter system which is an optional item on the EQS: Comfort features in the new EQS - Mercedes Me media (mercedes-benz.com) Before you point to the line in the EQS link above, yes I read the following: Now if someone can find this imagenary ZG 250-1 certification of Viruses and bacteria that would be great since I can only find this as a statement on MB web site, NO CDC, New England Journal of Medicine or any other official health site seems to have this certification. MB also DOES NOT seem to quote where this fictional cert comes from unlike the other * items listed at the bottom of the web page. So NO it does not count as a bio-hazard filter system equal to Tesla.

Corvette with passenger can easily do this!

Mid-decade Lincoln expects half of all global production to be zero-emission vehicles with the goal to be 100%BEV globally by 2030. This is part of Ford Motor Companies plan to invest $30 billion in electrification by 2025. gm just upped their investment to $35 billion, time for Ford to up theirs? Per Joy Falotico, President of Lincoln, "Electrification will take Quiet Flight to a new level with the smooth, exhilarating take-off feel and serene quietness our clients expect from a Lincoln." The company will move forward with all-new RWD and AWD battery electric flexible architecture that will enable Lincoln to deliver four new distinct BEVs. The first electric Lincoln will join the existing plug-in hybrid Aviator and Corsair SUVs in 2022 and is the start to be an all-electric brand by 2030. To quote the Lincoln president, "Our clients deserve the very best from Lincoln. Our world-class vehicles, effortless services and advanced connected technology will allow us to create an always-on relationship with them and help transform the Lincoln brand for the future." The Lincoln Way app will be one way they will deliver an enhanced suite of connected services that will become the norm of the electrified future. Future-Lincoln-Exterior-Tease.mp4 Quiet Flight DNA is the brand's evolving signature design and drive experience with maximized luxury comfort for all. Spacious interiors that create the ultimate expression of Lincoln sanctuary, a rejuvenating space with clever storage solutions, minimalistic panels, expansive panoramic vista roof to enhance the natural light in an airy open feel. Lincoln is proud to off their coast-to-coast display that offers a sweeping view of the horizon, Lincoln's new digital design language. CONSTELLATION includes exclusive themes showcasing the night sky allowing clients to choose the theme that best reflects their current mood. Lincoln-Constellation.mp4 The Lincoln Enhanced Platform will feature over-the-air software updates quarterly keeping your navigation system on the cutting edge and in sync with your Apple or Android device via the SYNC 4-enabled system. Lincoln offers the Lincoln ActiveGlide for hands-free highway driving using advanced camera, radar and driver monitoring technologies. “The space that surrounds you has an immense effect on your overall mood,” said Kemal Curic, design director, Lincoln. “Crafting a space that goes beyond the traditional – a serene sanctuary that elevates the senses and impacts a client’s mood every single day – reveals that as designers, we contribute so much more to the overall experience than just creating vehicles that look good.” Highest sales satisfaction among luxury brands was recently bestowed on Lincoln by J.D. Power and Associates. The dealer network is key to delivering an effortless, connected experience for our Lincoln Clients. Today one third of Lincoln purchases are completed oinline through the Lincoln remote sales platform. Lincoln is continuing to integrate a complete digital experience online while backing it up with their global dealerships providing the ultimate in client services. To Quote: “Technology allows us to enhance the traditional transaction and make the ownership experience for our clients as convenient and effortless as possible,” said Michael Sprague, North America director, Lincoln. “Meeting clients on their terms is important today, and will be even more so in a digital, connected future.” In North America, a focus on the top 130 luxury markets, Lincoln is growing their Lincoln-exclusive Vitrine dealerships. Simplifying the buying process, this experience moves away from the traditional transaction space to a modern experience centered around the client. To date, 28 all-new Vitrin facilities, including Lincolns first boutique established in Arizona have opened across the country with another 50 in process. Look for an upcoming reveal of the first of many Lincoln BEVs. Lincoln Accelerates Brand Transformation; Plans to Deliver a Full Portfolio of Connected and Electrified Vehicles by 2030 | Lincoln Media Center View full article

August 21st 2021 Dream Cruise is back on!!! Woodward Dream Cruise Returns as Ford Announces Fourth Year Sponsoring America’s Largest Automotive Gathering | Ford Media Center

Seems we are looking at some enhancements to the Lithium Ion batteries finally going into production. Charged EVs | Ultra-high purity lithium salt, LiFSI, facilitates high performance in advanced battery technology - Charged EVs Lithium Salt seem to make performance, age, density, etc. so much better. (2) Arkema Batteries: Overview | LinkedIn Battery Solutions by Arkema | Arkema.com

Valid point, but one does have to question the crazy poor leadership of Musk. He bought out his brothers or relatives, who ever it was Solar Panel business and seems to get distracted in so many ways about building Tesla Auto's. We also have talked about how after the multiple decades of building the Charger/Challenger how it is pretty much paid for, so after a decade and half of building the motors/controllers/battery packs to Military grade spec, one would think they should have it down for a profitable build now. Yet, we all know they are not making money especially when taking the carbon credits into account. So where is the real expense? Is it the distraction of solar panels, Wall Power, Space X, etc., etc., etc.,

Agree that is a big issue and goes with the bunker style of you cannot see out of the auto very well, just sucks along with the overall jelly bean look. In regards to Military Grade, they have been building their motors, controllers and battery packs this way from the beginning, I see no reason they cannot continue in this robust way but improve the manufacturing process of the auto's and quality. If Musk would only embrace the things that the Legacy makers do right such as turning out a truck every few seconds, AKA the assembly line process rather than trying to reinvent the wheel, they would do so much better. Then again their assembly of the auto is one of the most cost expensive ways since they do build way too many small parts to be assembled such on the Model Y. The Giant Casting machine for the Model Y will greatly improve assembly quality along with reducing cost of manufacturing. Going from 70 pieces to assemble to 1 giant cast unit will help with quality. I remember when this first came to Light in 2020. Cast Parts On The Model Y: Specialists Talk About What It May Have (insideevs.com)

We'll I honestly do not think any other auto company, here in the US, Europe or Asia has gone the route of Military Grade for the power train, controllers and batteries like Tesla. This was talked about since 2018. Tesla Model 3 is 'military-grade tech years ahead of peers' but still expected to lose money (yahoo.com) Tesla Model 3 is 'years ahead of peers' but still expected to lose money (cnbc.com) And we have not seen any other auto company offer a Bio-Weapon filtration system. Putting the Tesla HEPA Filter and Bioweapon Defense Mode to the Test | Tesla If Tesla can do this, and Mercedes-Benz is supposed to be the standard of the world, why does the new EQS not have this filtration system or Military Grade hardware for moving the auto? Right, not willing to spend the money!

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Interesting, but in talking with @A Horse With No Name Chris today and his Family, it dawned on me as we were discussing auto's that Tesla has something that I doubt Mercedes-Benz will do. The official tear downs of the Tesla's by the guy that does reports on the auto build quality and sells it to other auto companies to compete. Tesla has made their motors and Controllers built to Military grade spec. As such, while the Fit n Finish sucks and all the plastic inside the auto sucks, the powertrain and battery packs will last way longer than just about any other auto company. I believe they took the military grade route to ensure their autos in these early days would drive and do well as we all know Military gear gets abused. Seems Tesla get abused and still keep running as we have seen many used Tesla's for sale with 400,000 miles on them. I doubt Mercedes-Benz will build their EQS to this level of durability.

Had a great afternoon meeting Chris, his wife and son. @A Horse With No Name Thank you for taking the time out of your trip to meet me with a wonderful face to face discussion with your family. Got some great ideas for posts from our chat. For those that have wondered how big I am, Chris can attest that I am not a small man. He got to see my Escalade. Safe flight home Kim and Chris. See ya soon.

So then since your adding the unreleased EQS to the list (European production for China does not count since they have not shipped yet there or here), lets as @surreal1272 stated the Audi and Lucid, plus since we are covering models that are stated to do 400 miles and yet are not released. Rivian, Ford, GMC, Chevrolet just to mention a few more that have been announced, have mules out and about and will go into production and be out in 2022. Seems lots of 400 mile BEVs will be available.

WOW, So someone took the current model, put a few fresh bits on it and then punched it in the nose. What a face only the idiot designer could love.