G. David Felt

First off, plenty of Dealers use the OEM to advertise the cars showing MSRP. Upon visiting said dealerships, you see the AMV stickers which push it above the advertised MSRP. That to me is a bait and switch. Who Cares if the OEM has a $20K markup! They advertise the auto at a MSRP price and that is what people think of paying when they buy. The OEMs are not advertising their cost on said auto, but an MSRP, so whatever profit they mark their products up to sell is their choice, this being no different than what you charge a customer for a project they are having you bid on as they want a final price, not a MSRP plus Adjusted Market Value mark up. EVERYONE, understands that you will have to pay sales tax, licensing fees, filing fees, etc. as every state has their own way of processing the final sales as well as any additional services or dealer offered packages at the time of buying. I was very clear on the Bait and Switch with the following statement: The focus is on the Bait and Switch of the Franchises adding no value with a second sticker that is higher priced.

On Sunday December 26th, 2021, General Manager of Ford China BEV Division Mark Kaufman handed the keys to Jin Zhang, a mustang fan and Ford Auto Enthusiast delivering the first Mach-e in China to a Ford Customer and starting the delivery of locally produced Mach-e's in China. Ford has 25 Direct-to-Customer stores located in major Chinese metropolitan markets and is looking to 2022 to grow their online and sales and Direct-to-Customer stores enhancing the Ford experience. Ford posted the following about their Chinese market: Ford all in on electrification and intelligence in China. BEV division will expand dedicated direct sales network to reach 90 percent of China’s electrified vehicle market this year, as the move to electrified vehicles accelerates The Mustang Mach-E manufactured in China opens for pre-orders with 4 available versions from RMB 265,000-379,900. The Limited GT First Edition will also debut. Mustang Mach-E will come with preinstalled intelligent driver assist hardware that supports wireless software upgrades. Charging network partnership with State Grid and NIO will offer app-based access to nationwide network. Ford is first automaker to offer “plug and charge” convenience in China. Ford is selling based on January 4th 2022 the Mach-e in this price range from $41,700.76 dollars (265,000 RMB) to $59,781.58 dollars (379,900). Ford stated that in order to compete, challenge the market leaders and breakthrough with mass production that would enable globally to reduce BEV prices, they chose to establish its BEV division with dedicated R&D, Manufacturing, Sales and User experience in China. Mach-e is the first BEV product but vans and trucks plus more is expected soon. Ford has stated that the company is focused on the future and will adopt the direct sales network that saw 25 stores open in 20 major cities in 2021 to expand and serve the whole country of China. Ford has stated they will leverage their existing dealership network to enhance the offering of one-stop shopping "Everything Online" experience which will include the dealerships handling the service appointments with pickup and delivery of the cars sold and serviced. User centric is the core of this new Hybrid sales model. Ford will also work closely with the State Grid charging partners to ensure quick access to recharging by Ford Customers that can access over 300,000 charging stations of which 160,000 are fast charging Ford has stated the following about the Mach-e: Bring back driving pleasure to intelligent electric vehicles Ford is not only localizing production of the legendary Mustang brand in China, it is also building locally the high-performance GT version, setting multiple firsts in the history of Chinese automobiles. The Mustang Mach-E GT First Edition is based on GT models and features the exclusive GT Grabber Blue, Stunning interior design details with 20-inch all-aluminum chrome hub and dual motor. Mustang Mach-E joins the 3-secs 0-60mph club with a maximum power output of 359 kW. The full series of Mustang Mach-E comes in customized track-tested Pirelli P Zero series and Goodyear Eagle Touring series tires. All front wheels are using Brembo aluminum 4-piston brake calipers. As the first mass-produced model tuned with the help of Ford’s racing simulator, Mustang Mach-E is an "electric pony" that inherits the Mustang family's legendary sportscar performance and delivers driving pleasure and performance to this all-electric intelligent vehicle. Mustang Mach-E is Delivered to First Customers in China | Ford Media Center Starting from RMB 265,000, Mustang Mach-E Manufactured in China Opens for Pre-order; Ford China Launches Direct Sales Model for Electric Vehicles | China | English | Ford Media Center View full article

How Dare she put her dirty shoe on that paint job! ?

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Interesting the push on Hyundai/Kia engine fires in which while like @Robert Hall found plenty of news stories about the cars catching fire, but not a one about the cares exploding or killing people from said engine fire unlike the exploding Pinto's that did cost people their lives. Then you have Tesla, yes plenty of fires, all due for the most part to battery pack trauma. But not killing people like the exploding Pinto's of Ford Motor Company. Why Tesla Cars Catch on Fire (businessinsider.com) All in all, I think many humans will choose to go to another auto company and not come back, but I doubt it will have the history of memory like a Ford Pinto Exploding did. Tesla has plenty of faults but also, I doubt that the battery pack fires from accident trauma will slow down their sales even with the recent, we shipped 1 million autos in 2021 and are recalling 500,000 autos. What I see slowing down Tesla is that once Legacy auto companies start to ship in volume BEVs, this will cause people to look twice. We see plenty of reviews where Tesla fans are getting nitpicky just to find fault with the Ford Mach-e, but even more reviews by former Tesla owners that praise how well Ford did on their first BEV. Tesla lack of paying attention to quality and then new BEVs form legacy OEMs will be a bigger ding to Tesla sales and possible survival than anything else.

Let me point out you answered the question yourself. The OEM advertises the MSRP for the Auto, their franchises should be selling it at that price, but you show up and see the second sticker added on which is not MSRP. Bait and Switch, that is what is pissing off the consumer. BAIT AND SWITCH. If the OEM offers discounts, then why should I not accept it, that is normal for everyone. The focus is on the Bait and Switch of the Franchises adding no value with a second sticker that is higher priced.

No one would decline a discount when the OEM gives them. This is about managing your franchises. I have not seen fast food franchises add an adjusted market value price to the food that McDonalds markets at a set price. Ford, GM, etc. needs to enforce this same fair pricing of what the buyers are expecting when you see their ads. To me, the adjusted market value stickers is bait and switch that the states need to crack down on.

Was interested in seeing the details, 7.2 million engine fire recalls from 2010 to 2021. 2010-2021-Hyundai-Kia-Engine-and-Fire-Recalls-5-18-21.pdf (autosafety.org)

That is a boomer thinking that you need power ashtrays in an era of smoking is bad where ashtrays are an option you have to pay extra for now.

@oldshurst442I expect a very de-contented entry level BEV from Hyundai / Kia. I think this is what will get BEVs moving to all income brackets. I also think this will allow Hyundai / Kia to do one thing the late Grandpa / Founder of Hyundai Motor Group wanted which was to surpass Toyota. They are moving into the future and will pull others with them, I think. Yes, the Ioniq 5 is a $50K BEV in your country, but that is a mid-range auto today that will get things going and then lower and higher as we have seen in Genesis will help pay off the R&D costs.

This news comes from two sources, Korean Economic Daily and Chosun Biz web sites. The south Korean auto company Hyundai has confirmed that they have immediately stopped all development on new ICE engines in order to accelerate the transformation to EV manufacturing. Effective December 23rd, Hyundai Motor Co. the group's largest automaker closed the engine development division at their R&D center. The 12,000 researchers have all been reassigned. Per the R&D chief Park Chung-kook stated to employees in an internal email: “Our own engine development is a great achievement, but we must change the system to create future innovation based on the great asset from the past.” The move by the global auto industry to EVs is moving at a speed that has caught many legacy ICE suppliers off guard as Hyundai has stated starting in 2030, they will only sell EVs globally. The Motor Group started in 1983 by the grandfather of Hyundai Motor Group in order to make their own engines rather than buy from Japan or America. After 40 years, the engine development division is shut down so that the EV development division can be enhanced with additional researchers and grow at warp speed. The bulk of the 12,000 researchers have been moved to various electrification teams leaving a skeleton group behind to modify and address needs of modifying existing engines for the next 8yrs. A new battery development center has been created to be added to the EV development division. Park has stated that the goal is to develop innovative EVs that will dominate the global market from entry level auto's that Hyundai made its name on to luxury level auto's. The R&D center will also now focus on procuring the raw materials for battery and semiconductor development as to NOT rely on semiconductors out of China or elsewhere in the world from 3rd party suppliers. This change will allow a streamlining of project management teams and product integration teams to accelerate EV development. Only days after the ICE development ending, Chosun Biz published that Hyundai has put all Hydrogen development on hold. A few years back, Hyundai announced they were working on their 3rd generation of Hydrogen autos and fuel cells with a goal of launching a global auto for sale in 2025. Fuel cells are the heart of Hydrogen powered auto's and yet after select testing in Korea and other global select markets of both Hydrogen passenger autos and commercial trucks. September, Hyundai unveiled its third-generation fuel cell auto the Hydrogen Nexo. The Hydrogen fuel-cell powertrain system had been reduced by 30% in size and output plus durability had increased 3 times and they expected to reduce costs by 50% by 2025. However due to technical challenges and a lack of market interest globally the further development has been suspended indefinitely and all researchers will be assigned to new tasks in the EV R&D division. The NEXO only sold 8,206 Hydrogen autos in South Korea in 2021 and even less globally. As such, it seems the future of Hyundai, Kia and Genesis auto's will be EV. Hyundai Motor closes engine development division - KED Global Genesis hydrogen car development put on hold... “There is little marketability due to the limitations of technology” - Chosun Biz (biz-chosun-com.translate.goog) View full article

Bose posted that due to the Pandemic, they would close their stores, makes total business sense and focus on online sales as dominate sales area. Many other retailers sell multiple products, but when you look at Best Buy, Target, etc. the prices for the same model items are the same, not finding this difference except in regards to the Bose Wave System IV, you have new and refurbished and the refurbished are sold at one price via BOSE, other resellers are allowed to compete at various prices on refurbished to move it, but new same UPC model #s I am not finding a difference in price.

This is going to HURT not Help EV sales and another reason that Ford needs to step on the Dealerships if they want to succeed, otherwise plan for a funeral as new auto companies that stick to selling MSRP will take over. Ford dealers marking up F-150 Lightning by $30K due to strong demand - Electrek Keep a fare profit in it for the Dealer and enforce MSRP selling like Bose does so the price is the same no matter what dealer you go too. Then make sure the service experience is worth it for repeat business, otherwise let them die.

Wrong generation for me, wrong model of auto! Now this is more my style, but would want it in Burgundy. 1986 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Classics for Sale - Classics on Autotrader This also is awesome! Sold though Very cool, but crazy stupid price that I would never pay for any of them. 1986 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS Aerocoupe For Sale - Gateway Classic Cars This one says 10K miles only and asking $43K for the auto. Crazy

I could see some German brands use the Port naming scheme for their EVs. USB USB-C USB-D Electric after all!

You are RIGHT, All dealerships tend to have bad salesmanship at times. For me during the 80's and 90's Ford dealerships tended to embrace the push and sell at all costs, lie if you have to to get a sale and make our quota. I have seen this same shit happen at GMC, Buick Dodge, but Ford seems to still be the worse. Never did I ever see them embrace professionalism. I learned from my early years helping family and friends buy autos to set the ground rules and hold the dealership accountable, so things are clear and understandable and if they try their twisted sales lies, more than happy to move onto another dealership.

Totally disagree, the future is electric and the best way to start the transition to electric auto's is with a name that truly embraces this and that is the Buick Electra EV SUV. This has always made sense and totally makes sense here. CES 2022 my gut tells me we will see more of this roadmap show up and I for one am excited by having an AWD Buick Electra EV.

Debates have raged over the name Electra with some saying it should never be used on an EV only ICE while others have said it is the perfect name for launching a Buick EV global push. GM today seems to agree as they have filed to patent the name Electra in both Canada and the US. Based on GM's Ultium Platform of battery and engines, Buick looks to kick off their EV transition with a 4 door AWD SUV. Leveraging stat-of-the-art technology, Buick plans to move forward with moving to a zero emissions portfolio. Combining the athletic look of a four-seat crossover with Gran Turismo aesthetics, the Electra previews the 21st century design language for the EV generation. The Electra has a clean, minimalist styling inspired by a space capsule. The evolving sculptural beauty is distinguished by a spacious glass interior pod that is part of an aerodynamic wing-form bodyshell and riding on 23" wheels that feature an optimal design, to enhance aerodynamics while contributing to the futuristic look of the Electra. Front and rear Matrix LED lamps features parametrical mathematic lighting strings with a three-dimensional effect. This compliments a full LED-illuminated grille and rear screen nameplate to provide dramatic digital lighting interaction. The Electra butterfly wing doors support facial recognition and provide a robust opening for convenient access. The Buick Electra takes advantage of the all new Ultium platform with what is being called a Zero-Gravity environment. This lack of traditional A/B pillars results in a maximum extension of the cabin with a longer wheelbase, a more efficient package and a more spacious, open interior. Buick offers an intuitive and immersive user experience that rewards all the senses by starting with Buick's next-generation eConnect system using a large industry-leading freeform curved retina display. This system like all GM systems will get OTA or over the air updates that provides on-demand driving information, advanced driver assistant systems via the infotainment. Augmented reality-enhanced head-up display with advanced live-view navigation of roads. A 410-mile range via the Ultium battery pack with 583 HP allowing a 0 to 60 acceleration in 4.3 seconds. Buick Makes Bold Statement with Its Vision for Future EV Design (gm.com) Trademark Status & Document Retrieval (uspto.gov) Canadian Trademarks Details: BUICK ELECTRA — 2155303 - Canadian Trademarks Database - Intellectual property and copyright - Canadian Intellectual Property Office - Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada View full article

Found in the wild, a rivian Amazon delivery van recharging at an EVGO Charging station.

During Stellantis EV Day and Software Day at the beginning of 2021, we now will get a more detailed look at the New Chrysler EV brand as they plan to unveil the first of many EVs in the 96-year history of the iconic brand as Stellantis plans to build back better Chrysler. The airflow as shown on Jay Leno's garage dates from 1934 and is now ready for a revival of the name in the all-new electric vehicle. The plans for Chrysler at the 2022 CES show is as follows: Chrysler will introduce the Chrysler Airflow Concept and outline its future electrification strategy at CES 2022 in Las Vegas on January 5, 2022 CES 2022 will feature first public display of the Chrysler Airflow Concept, which was previewed in Stellantis EV Day and Software Day presentations earlier this year Chrysler will share a roadmap for building on the iconic brand’s 96-years-plus reputation for innovative engineering, groundbreaking style and affordable luxury While the current concept was shown earlier this year at the Stellantis EV day, CES 2022 will be the start of the Chrysler revival as they show off the Chrysler Airflow as the first of a new portfolio of EVs. How much of the concept makes it into production and what all new changes and platform that will be used is expected to be touched on as CEO Chris Feuell will present on January 5th, 2022 @ 11am PST. Chrysler has had amazing success with their latest version of the Pacifica AWD Hybrid minivan with the most advanced AWD system in its class. Chrysler roadmap will show how they will deliver on their promise of iconic, elegant, executed autos for the 21st century delivering at an attainable value around the globe. Stellantis plans to have a showcase of electrification at the CES 2022 show as they will display the production Citroen Ami Urban EV, Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xe equipped with the award-winning Uconnect 5 in-car-technology system, DS Automobiles Formula E race car, Fiat new 500 as well as the Chrysler Airflow. One does not need to be in attendance at the CES 2022 to hear and see the reveal of the EV portfolio, you can watch it here: https://stellantisces2022.com/ To quote the press release: Elements of the Stellantis stand at CES 2022 include: Chrysler Airflow: Chrysler debuts the Airflow Concept, leading the brand's transformation to clean mobility and seamlessly connected customer experiences. Citroën Skate Mobility Concept: An autonomous and electric transport robot that that moves around cities, paired with Pods to offer fluid, shared and inventive urban mobility. Citroën Ami: An ultra-compact, two-passenger urban EV. In France, the Ami is accessible by users as young as 14, with “à la carte” offerings that target specific uses, a fully online journey, innovative distribution methods and a three-hour charge time. DS E-Tense FE21: Two-time defending champion in the ABB FIA Formula E World Championship, the 1,984-pound car (with driver) uses a 900-volt system that includes a 52 kWh battery, powering a 338-horsepower electric motor. The lightweight design combined with electric torque drives the car from 0-60 mph in about 2.8 seconds. New FIAT 500: The new 500 is the FIAT flagship and stands for New Dolcevita, social relevancy and sustainability. The iconic all-new small EV is the most popular FIAT and the epitome of the Italian car: beautiful, a classic design, an artwork, an inspiration. New 500 is connected, has a range of up to 199 miles, features 85kW fast charge and is the first city car with Assisted Driving Level 2. The New 500 is the most sold EV within the Company. Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer: A Premium American Icon reborn as the new standard of sophistication, authenticity and mobility. The premium extension of the Jeep® brand offers legendary 4x4 capability, on-road refinement and a design that exudes American craftsmanship and heritage, delivering a host of leading-edge technology features, such as exclusive Fire TV built in and a front passenger screen experience. Jeep Wrangler 4xe: The most capable, technically advanced and eco-friendly Wrangler ever. Available in Europe, China and the United States, the Wrangler 4xe’s plug-in hybrid powertrain is capable of up to 21 miles of nearly silent, zero-emission, electric-only propulsion. Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xe: The first Grand Cherokee to offer a plug-in hybrid electric variant. Its introduction signals the continued pursuit of the brand’s global vision of accomplishing “Zero Emission Freedom,” by offering a fully electric Jeep vehicle in every SUV segment by 2025. The Grand Cherokee 4xe targets an estimated 25 miles (40 km) of all-electric range and 57 MPGe, with 375 hp and 470 lb.-ft. of torque and is equipped with the award-winning Uconnect 5, which offers new technology for 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee, including a 10.1-inch (25.7 cm) display, five-times-faster operating speed (when compared to the previous generation) and over-the-air (OTA) updates. Stellantis Media - MEDIA ADVISORY: Chrysler to Unveil Chrysler Airflow Concept, Announce Roadmap for Brand’s Future at CES 2022 (stellantisnorthamerica.com) Stellantis Media - (stellantisnorthamerica.com) Stellantis Media - Stellantis Showcases Technology Driven Future at CES 2022 With On-site and Virtual Experiences (stellantisnorthamerica.com) View full article

Screams Used Car Hell of Manipulation much like a Ford Dealership which I hate and have avoided all my life just about. Hate that pushy, lie to sell a used auto when they do not know anything. Both those places I would never recommend a person to buy from unless they are just idiots themselves and then maybe it is a good fit after all. LOL