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  1. Love them or hate them, electric vehicles are here to stay as many auto companies are promising to go full electric on their product lines by 2030 to 2035. The goal here is to bring up for discussion many common myths about electric vehicles as electricity provides just another choice of how to power one's vehicle today. Today's options are gas, diesel, hydrogen, gas-electric hybrid and pure electric and if your 45 to 50 years old, these choices will likely be available for the rest of one's life or at least ones driving lifespan. Electric autos arrived in an era of already unprecedented choices when buying a vehicle and no one is going to force you to buy an electric vehicle here in the USA. With the above stated comment, it is believed that if the average American drove an electric auto, they would like it. With that, lets dive into the myths about electric autos. Myth: All electric autos feel the same when driving, the smooth, effortless feel of electric-powered auto's feel generic and removes any differentiators between brands and models. Fact: All automakers have long used the same gasoline engines across their respective portfolio of model's tunning the motor/powertrain to a specific experience level of horsepower and torque and driving characteristics. Electric will be no different in that current EVs out all have been tuned for a distinct experience. Tesla, Audi, Porsche, Ford, GMC, Hyundai, Kia, etc. have all tuned their EVs and the sounds they emit at various speeds to have unique driving characteristics and sounds. Many reviews have stated the GMC Hummer drives, feels and sounds like a hummer, same for the Fords and Mercedes EVs as just some examples. Keep in mind that all EVs now employ people focused on the sound experience as much as the driving experience. Quote: With almost completely silent operation, EVs present a great canvas for sound design. For the GMC Hummer EV, we wanted to have an engaging and bold sound that exuberates confidence in capability. The truck's sonic identity is precise and powerful, a reflection of its size and torque. It is not overly refined in terms of the sounds we deployed but instead features dynamic distortion effects. With guitar riffs and layers of synthetic sounds, Hummer EV's purposeful modulation of sound helps create feeling of power and intensity. - Jay Kapadia, creative sound director Myth: Performance cars need a rumbling gas engine. Fact: New auto purchases are emotional; this is especially true with high-performance autos. Why are Dodge's Hellcat autos so popular? Because they make you feel and hear something. This has been true for more than a century, automobiles have been a visceral experience, yet not all visceral experiences are worth keeping. Does anyone miss wearing goggles because all the roads were dirt at one point? How about the prospect of cranking the auto to life with a large handle that could break your arm before electric starters got invented? Probably not. Once a consumer experiences an electric vehicle, they see how unrefined, noisy and crude gasoline powered autos are. Yes, there are buyers that feel and like the crude and unrefined ice autos, but as the population moves forward, they will become a smaller and smaller subset of the larger auto-buying audience. Electric autos can beat or match the stats of gasoline-powered vehicles regardless of the seat-of-the-pants experience. 2022 Tesla Model S Plaid: 0-60 mph in 2 seconds 2022 Lucid Air Dream Performance: 0-60 in 2.5 seconds 2022 Porsche Taycan Turbo S: 0-60 mph in 2.6 seconds Ferrari SF90 Stradale Assetto Fiorano: 0-60 mph 2.1 seconds Porsche 911 Turbo S: 0-60 mph in 2.6 seconds These are just a few examples of six figure autos from both EV and ICE and as one can see, there is really not much difference in performance time. Even if you move into the mid-priced EVs being $40,000 and up, you get the Kia EV6 that sprints 0-60 mph in 4.6 seconds while the Kia Stinger GT gets there in 4.7 seconds. Myth: All electric autos look ugly 5 years ago, one could easily say this was true that at one-point EVs were ugly as many were compliance EVs to really only be sold in select states. Today, just look at the 2023 Genesis GV60, a beautiful auto regardless of how it is powered. We now have many amazing EVs from Audi, Hyundai, Kia, Rivian, Porsche, VW, Ford and GM with much, much more to come over the next 24 to 36 months. Another reason we will continue to see improved EV style is that the designers of the electric autos envision the vehicles separately from gas-powered vehicles. They are more than just a gas-powered auto converted to run on a battery pack. Myth: Electric autos cost too much Tesla models tend to average over $60,000 even though Tesla has promised a low cost version that has yet to be delivered, many other options are available such as the Nissan Leaf with a starting price of $27,400 and the Chevrolet Bolt with a starting price of $31,500. While it is true that electric vehicles can be pricey, there are many more EVs planned to hit the market over the coming 18 months that will start with lower prices such as the Chevrolet Equinox that is supposed to have a $30,000 starting price, we just now are seeing the VW ID.4 that is nicely equipped crossover with a starting price of $41,230. Also for many there is the federal governments $7,500 tax credit. Myth: There is no place to charge electric autos. This is somewhat true depending on where one lives. The energy.gov web site has now a better locator and has updated to filter out places that one cannot charge like a police department inside their locked down auto storage area. As such, currently there are 48,047 electric stations with a total port count of 119,353 charging port connectors. There is even more when you take into account private for-profit charging locations. Compared to 115,400 gas stations according to the American Petroleum Institute with an average of 8 pumps per station or 923,200 pumps. Yet over 80% of EV owners report charging at home or work as the most common place for charging an auto and the current US Government has approved $5 billion dollars to be spent over the next 5 years to expand the U.S. network of chargers. Myth: Electric autos are unreliable The scary story myth of electric autos being unreliable can be stopped with the facts. Nissan Leaf debuted in the U.S. market in 2010 and has millions of miles of proof as does Tesla and GM. In fact, J.D. Powers has named the Nissan Leaf the most dependable auto in the compact auto segment for 2020 and Nissan U.S. Aditya Jairaj has confirmed to the press that since the first Nissan Leaf sold in 2010, owners have seen the financial benefits of trading gas for electricity and the significant less routine maintenance as well as the fact that the Leaf is more reliable than any of the ICE autos Nissan makes. Myth: Warranties on EVs are worse than on ICE autos. Fact: Excluding the Korean Hyundai and Kia that has had 10 year / 100,000 mile warranties the average ice auto has had from 36 to 60 months or 36,000 to 72,000 mile warranties where as electric autos have pretty much had 8 years or 100,000 miles on the battery pack / drive train with a 36/36,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty. This means that buying a CPO or certified pre-owned auto means you still will have many years of life left with warranty something most ICE autos do not get. Myth: EV batteries are not Green to dispose of Fact: Currently 90% of Lithium-ion EV batteries are recycled and just because a battery has lost 20 to 30% of capacity does not mean that battery pack does not have another life in some other use. GM and Nissan have both moved to using existing battery packs that had cell failures as storage packs for storage systems that are being sold for home and business solar PV systems. GM currently only sells the storage systems in the commercial space but Nissan has their home Xstorage system that uses Nissan Leaf battery packs and Renault is currently using their battery packs in their Powervaults system that is also being sold to both home and commercial customers. Currently after a 8 to 10 year life run in an EV, the battery packs are able to be used for another 10 years in these solar storage systems. Another area that these large battery packs are finding a second life in is use in a mobile home, camper or boat where the use is only a few months a year and the battery life is extended even longer. As the auto industry moves to solid-state, the long life of battery packs makes them even greener for the various uses as well as the ease of recycling. Myth: EVs put too much strain on the National Grid. The current story out there is that when people get home from work and plug in their auto around 6pm or so every day during the work week, this will cause a strain on the National Grid and will cause the system to collapse. An example of how this is not true is one that was pointed out in the U.K. where they have 36.7 million autos on the roads and that those autos consume 75 TWh per year of electricity. Current electrical demand is 300 TWh per year so if nothing was done by the electrical companies this would only be a 25% increase in power demand. Yet many people are given discounts for charging during the night when folks are asleep and power demand is at it lowest. As such, coming home from work and plugging in at 6pm would not actually start charging as most chargers have programming to charging in off peak hours unless one overrides the charger to start charging right away. This can also be managed via ones smart phone app. Myth: Charging takes too long and is too much of a hassle. Home charging can take up to 12hrs, so it is not practical for the average auto user. Depending on the size of one's auto battery pack, charging can take from 30 minutes to hours depending on the type of charge port used. Most home chargers are a level II charger but even if one uses only a 110V outlet to charge their auto, charging ones auto overnight is no different than charging one's cellphone and is as easy as plugging in the auto when you arrive home. Yet even this is going to get easier as many 3rd party companies are building wireless charging pads that can be used outside in any weather or inside and all one would do is drive over the pad to allow charging to begin. Faster yet is that at charging stations and work locations one can find fast DC chargers that reduce the charge time to as little as 30 minutes or while you enjoy a lunch break. Future solid-state battery packs will reduce charge times to the equal point with gas filling being only a mere 10 minutes or so. Myth: Installing a charging point at my home is going to be really expensive. Fact: Depending on where one lives, this can be a cost of a few thousand dollars or as cheap as free as federal, state, county and cities all have various programs as do the electrical supply companies. On top of this, many states have now made it a requirement for new homes, townhomes, condos and even apartments to have charging locations or at least a 220V charge outlet in the garage allowing one to use the charging cord that came with their auto to easily charge their EV. Currently both Ford and GM are including charging ports installed at ones home up to $1,500 to $2,000 dollars to cover the bulk of the cost if not all of it. Myth: EVs are unreliable in the winter. Lithium batteries in phones and other gadgets struggle in cold temperatures, so it stands to reason tht EVs will too as they use a similar type of battery cell. Extreme temperatures impact gas and diesel autos as well as electric vehicles as they all have reduced efficiency. However as has been learned from the early days of the Nissan Leaf and Tesla auto, better ways of protecting the battery pack or warming up the battery pack while plugged in to be charged via thermal management system controlled by inside the auto or an app on your smartphone keeping the EV at the optimum temperature, meaning your ready to go and so is the vehicle; a ready-defrosted car that is parked outside without you even having to step outside. Myth: Your electrical bill will skyrocket if you charge your EV at home. There is no denying that as you use more electricity, your electric bill will go up. This is a trade-off when one changes from a gas-powered auto to an electric auto. However the trade-off is the money saved as electric rates are much cheaper than gas rates. An example of this is that a Nissan Leaf driven 150 plus miles would be looking at a cost of less than $1 dollar in the PNW area around Seattle compared to the $15 to $20 dollars in gas. Charging at night during the off peak charge period makes driving an electric auto as cheap as pennies per mile. If you have a house with a solar system or solar system with power storage system, this could get to being free for you. Myth: My local trusted mechanic will not be able to work on my EV, only the expensive dealership mechanic will be able to work on my EV. At this time, the ASE or Automotive Service Excellence program that both dealership and independent mechanics go through has EV certification programs that can be taken. Daily more and more mechanics are getting certified to work on electric autos and as more come to market, more mechanics will keep themselves trained allowing for plenty of choices. Yearly the ASE program has stated that thousands of mechanics are getting upskilled with EV training as well as thousands of new specialist mechanics and technicians are graduating with training on electric vehicles. Even the EPA has created a web site dedicated to debunking Electric Vehicle Myths: Electric Vehicle Myths | US EPA Here the EPA points to many studies done by independent groups as well as colleges to help clarify the FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) about EVs. Electric is the future and a bright one at that and yet we will have decades of options for those that want an ICE auto but more choices over the coming months as those that want more with less maintenance will have choices of electric autos to choose from.
  2. Well Said!!! @Drew Dowdell we live in an amazing Multi-Cultural world and humanity will continue to improve as we embrace all the amazing contributions everyone in the world including the LQBTQ+ community has to offer. Being oneself is what allows us all to get along and agree to disagree while discussing everything and especially our love of the auto industry here. Thank you Drew for such an amazing place we have here.
  3. WOW, Loving this concept, hope they actually bring something like this to market soon. @oldshurst442 and @ccap41 should love this car. Also very happy with the new Buick Logo. Very happy that Buick sales was up 7.9% last year and that per their press release, 73% of sales was to folks new to the brand. Buick Commits to All-Electric Portfolio by End of Decade Have to say who ever led this concept effort nailed it, there is lots to like here. My only concern is as you stated, they say all vehicles will be part of the Electra Naming Series. This makes me think they will do the dumb thing of Electra 1 (Sub Compact) Electra 2 (Compact), Electra 3 (Mid Size) and Electra 4 (Full Size) or something along this like the idiot german branding that is so blah. I wish GM would commit and stay with names. I do really like the interior and as they say, a very Zen place to relax and drive. Have to say it, while I like the rear to a point, it does scream to me Volvo knock off with those tail lights and that is one wide ass.
  4. Ughhhhh, Humid sucks big time. Also talk about making #MudFarmLife even more challenging. Loved the photos, thank you for keeping us updated on what goes on there. Enjoy the drive to Syracuse and rest as you deserve it. Will the sister be going with you or just you this weekend? Stay cool, I will! Loving this cool spring/start to summer.
  5. The PNW is still very much like winter here, ski resort Crystal Mountain is still open and will be into June. If it stays cool and still getting snow, they could go into July for Ski Season. Above-average snow lingering in the Cascade Mountains, rangers say | king5.com
  6. Interesting read, I have to agree that I think the nation's energy grid is in need of a major modern upgrade. Energy experts sound alarm about US electric grid: 'It's not designed to withstand the impacts of climate change' - CNN
  7. Some interesting stories, As expected, the stupid markups have started on the 2023 LYRIQ. 2023 Cadillac Lyriq Dealer Markups Have Started (gmauthority.com) Personally, GM, Ford, all auto OEMs should be penalizing dealerships that markup above MSRP. Interesting read on why the Tesla 4680 battery is not a advantage to Tesla from the head of Bosch battery research. Bosch Battery Specialist Disputes Tesla's Advantages with 4680 Cells - autoevolution Full blog post is here: Tesla tab talk | Bosch Global
  8. This is interesting https://fordauthority.com/2022/05/2021-ford-mustang-mach-e-being-benchmarked-by-general-motors/
  9. Seems everyone was excited with the opening of reservation books for the Nissan Ariya EV. Reservations now open for all-new 2023 Nissan Ariya electric crossover (nissannews.com) The big question by many was would it sell? Now we have news that after 6 months, the 2023 model year is sold out. Nissan US Dealers Told To Stop Taking New Orders For 2023 Ariya (msn.com) Guess pent up demand for electric is strong!
  10. @oldshurst442 Thought of you my friend, as this is right up your alley, now if they would only make it rather than concept it. Revived Chevy Impala SS Embraces Posh yet Virtual Cadillac CT6 x Camaro ZL1 Lifestyle - autoevolution
  11. While I have not doubt that this will sell globally and especially here in North America to select consumers, I would not say that global 2021 sales of 41,174 G-Wagons is selling like hot cakes. Mercedes-Benz G-Class Sales Figures | GCBC (goodcarbadcar.net)
  12. Yes, High center vehicles that have poor drivers can easily flip as well as cars. Like @Drew Dowdell stated about why he bought his Avalanche, I bought my Escalade for comfort of road trips and for helping my kids as they moved from home to apartments, then into their own homes and can say that my Escalade ESV and GMC Suburban carry lots of stuff. I have also carried plenty of sheetrock and wood in the Suburban for my home remodel projects, after all 5ft wide by 10ft long interior when all seats are down or removed for the second and third row gives plenty of space. I have also had plenty of space for road trips for luggage and other stuff in the far back. I admit, not everyone can afford the gas bill that my full size SUVs or my fun SS requires, fueling up the SS yesterday was a $100 bill for Premium of just 17 gallons. Thank you Olds for making me think about my rides as I know I am a far more aggressive driver than many, but still consider myself to be a aggressive defensive driver and as such, apply the engineering to my auto's in making sure they can handle the way I drive. As such, my 1994 Suburban has a custom built 402 V8, matching custom jet chip, custom transmission and 425 custom posi-lock rear differential on top of I changed out the suspension from the OEM default to a 1 ton coils in front and leaf springs in back. I also as my picture shows in my album here have 20 low profile tires and have had no problem doing 80 mph on the clover leaf on and off ramps of our freeway system with no body roll. I tend to make sure my SUVs handle the way I would expect a sports car to handle and as such, tend to forget the customization I have done to my rides. That all takes into the laws of physics that many never think about in how a taller auto would handle aggressive driving. With that stated, we have to also point out the idiots driving in your gif images who clearly were driving distracted or just plan too stupid to be looking down the road on what all is going on. Driving is a privilege that seems to have been forgotten in the push for votes by the politicians as today when I ran some errands, it was very clear there are plenty of people that should not be driving on the road. Back in January of this year there was this story written: Lincoln Now Sells More Product in China Than U.S. - The Truth About Cars It made me realize that two things could very well happen of which I believe is already true on the CUV front. Chinese building and selling autos in America is real, look at Buick. Cars very well can survive as they are imported into North America from China and other low labor cost countries for select brand names. Lincoln is one as is Cadillac. Over all, good debate, great points you make and I enjoy the banter. Hope your having a relaxing weekend.
  13. Happy Memorial Day Weekend Everyone. Have a great one, relax, eat yummy food and enjoy your family and friends. Wishing everyone the best.
  14. Sad for those that like a car, but at the rate states, counties and cities seem to ignore fixing and replacing worn out roads, the future seems to be trucks and SUVs. I do not get the attraction for people to buy the Camry or Accord, they are just lemming mobiles to me. Shame the Kia sports car will not survive. RIP cars.
  15. After 190,000 miles the dual cats and O2 sensors needed to be replaced. Dealership wanted almost $6,000 for the SS Trailblazer. Brody's auto repair wanted $2,800 for this using Magnaflow cats and Bosch O2 sensors which the SS has 6 total. Picking up the SS, there was this Cherry Chevelle that had been brought in for a tune up.
  16. True the American Land Yachts could not do it, but the videos do not show some of the worst as there are areas that without my Suburban lifted and 4x4 one could not get past and they have cut outs in the side of the mountain every couple of miles so who ever is closes to the cut out has to backup or forward depending on where you are on the road up. I have seen a few AWD Asian auto's go up and get stuck, the only thing that I have seen over and over is Subaru's AWD make it over some of the rock slides and wash outs from the winter. Most cars especially basic FWD or RWD just do not have the suspension for the ruts, washouts and rock slides. I agree that the low end basic CUVs would not do much better either. This is a road for true 4x4. I do remember seeing a few of the 4x4 eagles up on the road growing up. Really liked the clearance they had and the way they could handle off-road. Shame they did not survive.
  17. We could all use a Smart@ss to liven the mood at times. I understand what you are saying. RJ is a very conservative CEO in regards to releasing features before they are ready. He is on record that the Tank Turn can be done on any Quad R1T, but wants to ensure long life and the experience for those that have bought the truck. I suspect they want to see how it wears on the motors and what other areas could see stress on the truck when the feature is used before enabling it. At least they are not being Tesla in Testing features on their customers with deadly results.
  18. I would be willing to bet on the Rivian as Rivian has stated Tank Turn will come in a near term future OTA Update to the auto for those that own the Quad Motor R1T. Who knows when the EQG will get to production, where as the Rivian is in production and the software is already there, just needs to be enabled according to Rivian.
  19. Will honestly not miss this auto when it goes away. The front reminds me of a catfish and is not appealing to me at all.
  20. @Drew Dowdell Have to say that the look of this CR-V is good and looks very similar to the upcoming Honda Prologue EV. Cool to see that they are getting away from the generic look Honda has had for the last 3 decades.
  21. Jeff Dahn and the team at Dalhousie University in Halifax, Canada signed a partnership with Tesla in 2016 to be part of the created Tesla Advanced Battery Research division. As a leader in the earliest research into Lithium-ion batteries the Jeff Dahn team had a 5-year partnership with the express focus or primary goal of making batteries last longer with increased energy density, decreased costs at the top of the wish list by Tesla. This team created multiple patents and papers related to Tesla Battery cells and with this came the first talk by Tesla and the researchers of the million-mile battery pack. This has gained additional attention as various Tesla autos have come up for sale that have 400,000 plus miles with only single digit cell reduction loss implying that the battery packs should easily last up to a million miles. On top of this is that Tesla with their work to bring both a full-size pickup truck to market and a class 8 semi-truck to market is how Tesla has moved from their earliest battery cells produced by Panasonic to their latest large energy dense 4680 cell. Today, Jeff Dahn and the team of researchers have now published their latest paper on Li-Ion cells and how they can be built to last 100 years. To quote their paper, link posted at the bottom is as follows: These include vehicle-to-grid storage, stationary energy storage and battery leasing. Li[Ni0.5Mn0.3Co0.2]O2//graphite (NMC532) pouch cells with only sufficient graphite for operation to 3.80 V (rather than ≥ 4.2 V) are presented as a low-voltage cell type for applications that require massive cycle and calendar-life. Charge-discharge cycling, ultra-high precision coulometry and impedance spectroscopy are used to characterize these cells and form a comparison with LiFePO4//graphite (LFP) pouch cells. The low-voltage NMC532 cells are shown to be superior in both capacity retention and energy density to the LFP cells. Lifetime predictions are made as a function of temperature and charging voltage, with room temperature operation beyond 100 years suggested in certain cases. As with everything, these early research papers tend to still have much work to be done to get the products into mass production. Testing of existing Li-Ion cells was done in a range of 40c to 70c temperature range. This has allowed the researchers to find optimum upper cutoff voltage when designing cells for maximum lifetime. The benefits of this research is that sufficiently high potential capability is necessary to ensure high first cycle efficiency and low fade but too high voltage will result in excessive electrolyte oxidation, impedance growth and inventory loss. This overall research has shown the potential in lifetime and volumetric energy density that with further research should help expand the capabilities of the battery cells as they are designed for fast charge application use while using less to no rare earth elements such as cobalt. Attached research paper for those interested in reading the 13-page paper on Long-Lived Low Voltage Li-Ion Cells. Aiken_2022_J._Electrochem._Soc._169_050512.pdf As with all things, while the 100-year battery cell is not here today, the potential for such a product is clearly in the researchers view of where the EV industry can go with reducing greenhouse gas due to long life battery cells. Li[Ni0.5Mn0.3Co0.2]O2 As a Superior Alternative to LiFePO4 for Long-Lived Low Voltage Li-Ion Cells - IOPscience View full article
  22. Jeff Dahn and the team at Dalhousie University in Halifax, Canada signed a partnership with Tesla in 2016 to be part of the created Tesla Advanced Battery Research division. As a leader in the earliest research into Lithium-ion batteries the Jeff Dahn team had a 5-year partnership with the express focus or primary goal of making batteries last longer with increased energy density, decreased costs at the top of the wish list by Tesla. This team created multiple patents and papers related to Tesla Battery cells and with this came the first talk by Tesla and the researchers of the million-mile battery pack. This has gained additional attention as various Tesla autos have come up for sale that have 400,000 plus miles with only single digit cell reduction loss implying that the battery packs should easily last up to a million miles. On top of this is that Tesla with their work to bring both a full-size pickup truck to market and a class 8 semi-truck to market is how Tesla has moved from their earliest battery cells produced by Panasonic to their latest large energy dense 4680 cell. Today, Jeff Dahn and the team of researchers have now published their latest paper on Li-Ion cells and how they can be built to last 100 years. To quote their paper, link posted at the bottom is as follows: These include vehicle-to-grid storage, stationary energy storage and battery leasing. Li[Ni0.5Mn0.3Co0.2]O2//graphite (NMC532) pouch cells with only sufficient graphite for operation to 3.80 V (rather than ≥ 4.2 V) are presented as a low-voltage cell type for applications that require massive cycle and calendar-life. Charge-discharge cycling, ultra-high precision coulometry and impedance spectroscopy are used to characterize these cells and form a comparison with LiFePO4//graphite (LFP) pouch cells. The low-voltage NMC532 cells are shown to be superior in both capacity retention and energy density to the LFP cells. Lifetime predictions are made as a function of temperature and charging voltage, with room temperature operation beyond 100 years suggested in certain cases. As with everything, these early research papers tend to still have much work to be done to get the products into mass production. Testing of existing Li-Ion cells was done in a range of 40c to 70c temperature range. This has allowed the researchers to find optimum upper cutoff voltage when designing cells for maximum lifetime. The benefits of this research is that sufficiently high potential capability is necessary to ensure high first cycle efficiency and low fade but too high voltage will result in excessive electrolyte oxidation, impedance growth and inventory loss. This overall research has shown the potential in lifetime and volumetric energy density that with further research should help expand the capabilities of the battery cells as they are designed for fast charge application use while using less to no rare earth elements such as cobalt. Attached research paper for those interested in reading the 13-page paper on Long-Lived Low Voltage Li-Ion Cells. Aiken_2022_J._Electrochem._Soc._169_050512.pdf As with all things, while the 100-year battery cell is not here today, the potential for such a product is clearly in the researchers view of where the EV industry can go with reducing greenhouse gas due to long life battery cells. Li[Ni0.5Mn0.3Co0.2]O2 As a Superior Alternative to LiFePO4 for Long-Lived Low Voltage Li-Ion Cells - IOPscience
  23. Mercedes in September of 2021 did a preview of the all-electric EQG, the eventual replacement for their famous G-Wagon. To quote their press release: With the Concept EQG, Mercedes-Benz presents the near-production study of an all-electric model variant of its utilitarian off-road icon. Visually, the concept car combines the unmistakably striking look of the G-Class with selected design elements typical of all-electric models from Mercedes as contrasting highlights. The 4x4 qualities of the "G", which have always set the highest standard, will not only find their way into the age of electric mobility, but will be developed even further in some areas. The Concept EQG thus offers a promising preview of what a Mercedes-Benz G-Class with battery-electric drive will be capable of. Mercedes even went and showed their working prototype out on the trails and with a photoshopped in future city. 210709_MB_EQG_Car_Shots_Graded_HD_ProRes4444.mp4  Per their own press release, this is what Mercedes had to say about the EQG: Classic G-Class design language with quotes from Mercedes-EQ design The Concept EQG is also very much in the design tradition of the model series and can be recognised at first glance as a G-Class. The near-production study adopts the G-Class' angular silhouette including its iconic elements. Illuminated stripes make the robust exterior protective strips stand out visually. The separating edge of the attractive two-tone paint finish – gloss black on top, gloss aluminium beam on the bottom – runs in the area of the front end directly under the overlying bonnet, thus emphasising this design feature even more clearly. The front view of the Concept EQG looks familiar, not least because of the typical round headlights. Instead of a radiator grille, as on the conventionally powered model versions, this all-electric variant features a continuous deep black radiator grille. In this Black Panel Grille, the illuminated star with 3D effect sets a striking accent. Around it, the animated pattern of "round squares" (squircle pattern) in the familiar blue of the Mercedes-EQ models creates a visual link. An all-round illuminated band wraps the Black Panel, which, alongside the white illuminated circles in the exterior mirror housings, complements the daytime running light graphic of the headlights. The Concept EQG rides on 22-inch polished aluminium alloy wheels in an exclusive design. Instead of the usual spare wheel cover, there is a lockable box with white illuminated accents on the rear door, whose design is reminiscent of a wallbox. This could be used, for example, to store the charging cable within easy reach. "We're travelling into the future with the new EQG! This car epitomises the fusion of state-of-the-art off-road capabilities with the dawn of electric mobility that we all need to strive for. It stands for our relentless pursuit of the utmost desire and luxury. For us, the most important thing was to keep the full G-Class DNA but beam it into the EQ age: Like the G-Class but different. Modern accents like the white LED technology and a wallbox on the rear of the vehicle illustrate the difference." says Gorden Wagener, Chief Design Officer Daimler Group. Another highlight of the exterior design is the flat roof rack in high-gloss black. The central element of its minimalist design is the centrally shaped "G", which is unmistakable in the top view. The white LED strip integrated into the front edge of the roof rack is a modern interpretation of the searchlight indispensable for demanding off-road adventures – and thus underlines the seriousness of the Concept EQG in this area: not despite of, but precisely because of its all-electric drive. Another LED strip in red finish forms the rear end of the roof rack. "We are proud of the more than 400,000 'G's we have produced to date," emphasises Dr Emmerich Schiller, Managing Director of Mercedes-Benz G GmbH and Head of the Off-Road Vehicle Product Division at Mercedes-Benz AG. "In its more than 40-year model history, the G-Class has always used the most modern and suitable drive technology at the time – from the pre-chamber naturally aspirated diesel of the early days to the AMG 4.0-litre V8 in the current top model, the G 63. Against the background of our 'Electric only' strategy, the electrification of this off-road legend is simply the logical next step – and an absolutely fascinating project. Our icon is and remains 'stronger than time' in every respect." An uncompromising off-roader – precisely because of the electric drive system The Concept EQG is clearly a "G" not only in terms of design, but also because of its inner values, making it an uncompromising off-roader. Its body is also based on the robust ladder frame. The chassis design remains extremely off-road capable, as is typical of the G-Class: with independent suspension on the front axle and a rigid axle at the rear, newly developed for the integration of the electric drive. With four electric motors close to the wheels and individually controllable, the vehicle will offer unique driving characteristics both on- and off-road. As with any real 4x4, the Concept EQG's off-road reduction can be activated via a shiftable 2-speed gearbox in order to meet the high "G"-specific off-road requirements with confidence. Equipped in this way, the fully electrically powered version of the G-Class will of course face the legendary test track on the 1445-metre high Schöckl mountain in Graz at the end of its development into a series model. Peppered with gradients of up to 60 degrees, the 5.6-kilometre route has always been regarded in the international off-road scene as one of the world's greatest challenges for man and technology. After successfully conquering it, the electric "G" will also be able to adorn itself with the "Schöckl proved" quality certificate that is obligatory for the 463 series. And like its conventionally driven brothers, it will also shine with a climbing capacity of up to 100 per cent on suitable ground. The design advantages of the electric drive also play into its favour, making it ideally suited for off-road vehicles and ambitious off-road operations. The batteries integrated into the ladder frame ensure a low centre of gravity. Since the electric motors provide their maximum torque practically with the first revolution, an all-electric off-road vehicle like the Concept EQG and the later production model boast enormous pulling power and controllability – which also proves to be an advantage on steep slopes and deep terrain. Yet with no timeline of when the EQG might get to market, the overall industry has been left with little to understand or know about this newest electric auto that is supposed to eventually replace the ICE G-Wagon.  While many automakers that are bringing electric autos to market have turned to rear-wheel-steering for tight close quarter turns making this a must-have feature for full size trucks and SUVs to enable a more maneuverability overall, GMC Hummer went one further with their Crab-Walk mode plus rear-wheel-steering. Rivian was the first to really show off Tank Turn mode in their R1T achieving this by applying torque independently to each wheel in their quad motor powertrain. Tesla followed up Rivian's release of Tank Mode by releasing a video of rear-wheel-steering that is barely noticeable in the you tube videos. Mercedes having their preview of the EQG in September 2021 and then a commercial covering the future with the EQG one must wonder what is next for them? The wait is over as the ASV Mercedes-Benz you tube channel released the latest video of the EQG which shows they too will have a quad motor setup with tank turn.  Overall, happy to see Mercedes-Benz is making progress, better late than never to the party. Should be a solid sale for them and then a solid aftermarket sales too. EQG Picture Album Stronger than time: Mercedes-Benz G-Class ready for the age of e-mobility - Mercedes-Benz Group Media  
  24. Mercedes in September of 2021 did a preview of the all-electric EQG, the eventual replacement for their famous G-Wagon. To quote their press release: With the Concept EQG, Mercedes-Benz presents the near-production study of an all-electric model variant of its utilitarian off-road icon. Visually, the concept car combines the unmistakably striking look of the G-Class with selected design elements typical of all-electric models from Mercedes as contrasting highlights. The 4x4 qualities of the "G", which have always set the highest standard, will not only find their way into the age of electric mobility, but will be developed even further in some areas. The Concept EQG thus offers a promising preview of what a Mercedes-Benz G-Class with battery-electric drive will be capable of. Mercedes even went and showed their working prototype out on the trails and with a photoshopped in future city. 210709_MB_EQG_Car_Shots_Graded_HD_ProRes4444.mp4 Per their own press release, this is what Mercedes had to say about the EQG: Classic G-Class design language with quotes from Mercedes-EQ design The Concept EQG is also very much in the design tradition of the model series and can be recognised at first glance as a G-Class. The near-production study adopts the G-Class' angular silhouette including its iconic elements. Illuminated stripes make the robust exterior protective strips stand out visually. The separating edge of the attractive two-tone paint finish – gloss black on top, gloss aluminium beam on the bottom – runs in the area of the front end directly under the overlying bonnet, thus emphasising this design feature even more clearly. The front view of the Concept EQG looks familiar, not least because of the typical round headlights. Instead of a radiator grille, as on the conventionally powered model versions, this all-electric variant features a continuous deep black radiator grille. In this Black Panel Grille, the illuminated star with 3D effect sets a striking accent. Around it, the animated pattern of "round squares" (squircle pattern) in the familiar blue of the Mercedes-EQ models creates a visual link. An all-round illuminated band wraps the Black Panel, which, alongside the white illuminated circles in the exterior mirror housings, complements the daytime running light graphic of the headlights. The Concept EQG rides on 22-inch polished aluminium alloy wheels in an exclusive design. Instead of the usual spare wheel cover, there is a lockable box with white illuminated accents on the rear door, whose design is reminiscent of a wallbox. This could be used, for example, to store the charging cable within easy reach. "We're travelling into the future with the new EQG! This car epitomises the fusion of state-of-the-art off-road capabilities with the dawn of electric mobility that we all need to strive for. It stands for our relentless pursuit of the utmost desire and luxury. For us, the most important thing was to keep the full G-Class DNA but beam it into the EQ age: Like the G-Class but different. Modern accents like the white LED technology and a wallbox on the rear of the vehicle illustrate the difference." says Gorden Wagener, Chief Design Officer Daimler Group. Another highlight of the exterior design is the flat roof rack in high-gloss black. The central element of its minimalist design is the centrally shaped "G", which is unmistakable in the top view. The white LED strip integrated into the front edge of the roof rack is a modern interpretation of the searchlight indispensable for demanding off-road adventures – and thus underlines the seriousness of the Concept EQG in this area: not despite of, but precisely because of its all-electric drive. Another LED strip in red finish forms the rear end of the roof rack. "We are proud of the more than 400,000 'G's we have produced to date," emphasises Dr Emmerich Schiller, Managing Director of Mercedes-Benz G GmbH and Head of the Off-Road Vehicle Product Division at Mercedes-Benz AG. "In its more than 40-year model history, the G-Class has always used the most modern and suitable drive technology at the time – from the pre-chamber naturally aspirated diesel of the early days to the AMG 4.0-litre V8 in the current top model, the G 63. Against the background of our 'Electric only' strategy, the electrification of this off-road legend is simply the logical next step – and an absolutely fascinating project. Our icon is and remains 'stronger than time' in every respect." An uncompromising off-roader – precisely because of the electric drive system The Concept EQG is clearly a "G" not only in terms of design, but also because of its inner values, making it an uncompromising off-roader. Its body is also based on the robust ladder frame. The chassis design remains extremely off-road capable, as is typical of the G-Class: with independent suspension on the front axle and a rigid axle at the rear, newly developed for the integration of the electric drive. With four electric motors close to the wheels and individually controllable, the vehicle will offer unique driving characteristics both on- and off-road. As with any real 4x4, the Concept EQG's off-road reduction can be activated via a shiftable 2-speed gearbox in order to meet the high "G"-specific off-road requirements with confidence. Equipped in this way, the fully electrically powered version of the G-Class will of course face the legendary test track on the 1445-metre high Schöckl mountain in Graz at the end of its development into a series model. Peppered with gradients of up to 60 degrees, the 5.6-kilometre route has always been regarded in the international off-road scene as one of the world's greatest challenges for man and technology. After successfully conquering it, the electric "G" will also be able to adorn itself with the "Schöckl proved" quality certificate that is obligatory for the 463 series. And like its conventionally driven brothers, it will also shine with a climbing capacity of up to 100 per cent on suitable ground. The design advantages of the electric drive also play into its favour, making it ideally suited for off-road vehicles and ambitious off-road operations. The batteries integrated into the ladder frame ensure a low centre of gravity. Since the electric motors provide their maximum torque practically with the first revolution, an all-electric off-road vehicle like the Concept EQG and the later production model boast enormous pulling power and controllability – which also proves to be an advantage on steep slopes and deep terrain. Yet with no timeline of when the EQG might get to market, the overall industry has been left with little to understand or know about this newest electric auto that is supposed to eventually replace the ICE G-Wagon. While many automakers that are bringing electric autos to market have turned to rear-wheel-steering for tight close quarter turns making this a must-have feature for full size trucks and SUVs to enable a more maneuverability overall, GMC Hummer went one further with their Crab-Walk mode plus rear-wheel-steering. Rivian was the first to really show off Tank Turn mode in their R1T achieving this by applying torque independently to each wheel in their quad motor powertrain. Tesla followed up Rivian's release of Tank Mode by releasing a video of rear-wheel-steering that is barely noticeable in the you tube videos. Mercedes having their preview of the EQG in September 2021 and then a commercial covering the future with the EQG one must wonder what is next for them? The wait is over as the ASV Mercedes-Benz you tube channel released the latest video of the EQG which shows they too will have a quad motor setup with tank turn. Overall, happy to see Mercedes-Benz is making progress, better late than never to the party. Should be a solid sale for them and then a solid aftermarket sales too. EQG Picture Album Stronger than time: Mercedes-Benz G-Class ready for the age of e-mobility - Mercedes-Benz Group Media View full article
  25. Very cool project, the guy has great friends to help and they have some serious mad fabrication skills.
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