Vaccine discussion

[A Horse With No Name]

 

[trinacriabob]

I am happy to say that I've had both injections.  

As soon as it was announced that it would open up, I jumped on 2 retail pharmacy websites and, lo and behold, found an appointment just 2 days away at a location about 1:15 from me.  I was ecstatic.

I was given Pfizer.  Surprisingly, those same retail pharmacies around me were giving Moderna, but this store was giving Pfizer.  I was happy about getting Pfizer.  Some friends have had some transient side effects from the Moderna.  From what I've heard, Pfizer is the one mostly dispensed at hospitals while Moderna is more likely to be dispensed at retail pharmacies.

The only side effect both times was a dull headache for about a day or so after the injections.  Ibuprofen took care of that.

It's very sad to me that this has become politicized.  A friend of mine is trained as a nurse and she did not want it.  This didn't surprise me because the mindset in her household is very Christian (not the more denominational kinds) and very Republican.  The response to the vaccine seems to be "packaged" with predictable beliefs and attitudes that lend themselves to stereotyping, and the pollsters' numbers prove that.  I'll STOP right there with the politics.

With the amount of effort thrown at this, and with pharmaceutical horsepower so advanced compared to decades ago, I was waiting for this.  I knew there are risks involved.  And, if they detect some issues, they'll probably find new pills to fix the old problems and correct the vaccine formulation.

If we need boosters, I'm ok with that, too.  I see this as a money printing press for Big Pharma, but it is what it is.   I can deal with having it rolled in with the flu shot ... or as two separate annual episodes.

I will do what it takes to TRAVEL.  That said:

R-O-A-D   T-R-I-P !!!

 

[G. David Felt]

I am happy to report that the whole family, Wife, Daughter, Son and Myself are fully vaccinated. My son's girlfriend also got vaccinated. 

Pfizer is stating a need for booster shots 9 to 12 months after you are fully vaccinated to maintain 100% protection. Seems this will become an annual thing to vaccinate against the virus much like an annual flu shot.

Pfizer Covid-19 Vaccine Updates: Booster Shots, E.U. Supplies | Nasdaq

Pfizer COVID Vaccine Likely Will Need Third Booster Shot, BioNTech CEO Says (newsweek.com)

Moderna much like Pfizer is also saying the same thing, booster shots to maintain 100% protection and to take into account variations in the virus.

We'll need booster vaccine shots against Covid-19 variants ‘starting this fall,’ says Moderna CEO — RT World News

Always good to post the link again for those with questions about the vaccine from the CDC.

Frequently Asked Questions about COVID-19 Vaccination | CDC

[balthazar]

Hanging at home- got 2nd Moderna dose yesterday @ 3PM.
Right now (8:30AM), really nothing to report as to after-effects, maybe a 10% bump over my normal achy-ness. ?
Would like to go out to the shop and work on more Grand Prix parts... maybe after a nap.  

[balthazar]

Hour 23 - just woke from about a 3-hr sleep, feel rather 'blah'. 
Going to eat a lil sumtin and take some painkillers.
Don't think I can work in the shop today. ☹️

[ykX]

10 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Hour 23 - just woke from about a 3-hr sleep, feel rather 'blah'. 
Going to eat a lil sumtin and take some painkillers.
Don't think I can work in the shop today. ☹️

I was told by nurse (and seems some internet sources say the same) that preferably to take Tylenol because Advil/ibuprofen (anti-inflammatory) prevents the vaccine doing it is job.  At least in case of Pfizer/Moderna.

[balthazar]

^ I can't take Ibuprofen; I'm on a NSAID anti-inflammatory (tho I'm skipping it at least for today).

Feeling pretty close to normal now; perhaps 1 dose of Tylenol will be all it takes- we'll see.

Edited May 15, 2021 by balthazar

[ccap41]

Without reading back through 100+ comments, has everybody here gotten fully vaccinated? 

On 4/2/2021 at 5:37 PM, USA-1 said:

We really don't know what the long term effects will be and I won't be getting this inoculation, my personal preference.

That's the boat I'm in still. I'm not against it, but I'm also not for it. I just want more time under their belts for research's sake. 

[G. David Felt]

1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

Without reading back through 100+ comments, has everybody here gotten fully vaccinated? 

That's the boat I'm in still. I'm not against it, but I'm also not for it. I just want more time under their belts for research's sake. 

My whole family, both sisters family and both sides of grand parents are all fully vaccinated with either Pfizer or Moderna. My son's girlfriend and her family is all vaccinated.

Honestly, the science is very sound and 40 years of research with Vaccine and cancer treatment use since the early 90's.

This is the type of reporting you will find all over if you want a generalized news souce.

What is mRNA? How Pfizer and Moderna tapped new tech to make coronavirus vaccines (nbcnews.com)

If you are into science and want to understand deeper what mRNA is all about, then this is an excellent science souce.

What is mRNA? What you should know about the key ingredient in some COVID-19 vaccines (phys.org)

Plenty of additional sources and of course a ton off the CDC, but thought I would post this for you to consider. Hope you choose like most people and get vaccinated soon.

[oldshurst442]

 

The wife and I just returned from our 1st Pfizer vaccination. Our 2nd shot is September 3rd.   

Nothing to report just yet.  (side effects).   But then again, it has only been 45 minutes.

Edited May 15, 2021 by oldshurst442

[G. David Felt]

1 hour ago, oldshurst442 said:

 

The wife and I just returned from our 1st Pfizer vaccination. Our 2nd shot is September 3rd.   

Nothing to report just yet.  (side effects).   But then again, it has only been 45 minutes.

Awesome, so happy you and your wife got vaccinated!

[oldshurst442]

Late last night, I had a strange reaction. Something was not right.  Something was off.  It felt as if something was going on with my body. A transformation if you will. 

I yelled to my wife to get the phone and call 911 and then to start recording.  HALFWAY THROUGH I TOLD HER TO GET THE KIDS AND GET THE PHOQUE OUT OF THE HOUSE!!!

 

SHE AND THE KIDS DID NOT MAKE IT!!!   

At least that is what I thought...  

I just caught my son with his dumb ass friend embrace his new identity.  This is what I captured  (At least my son has good taste in music if not for any regards to his and anybody else's safety)

Still dont know what happened to my wife though...

Enough with the jokes...

I woke up to a sore (left) shoulder where they vaccinated me.  Feels like I took a punch to it.  Nothing major. Same for my wifey.  We both feel normal, which translates to we are both in great spirits. 

 

[balthazar]

Feel 95% fine today, so that wasn't too bad.

[Drew Dowdell]

On 5/15/2021 at 12:05 PM, balthazar said:

Feel 95% fine today, so that wasn't too bad.

That’s just about your baseline level of achiness anyway 

[trinacriabob]

I've now spoken to quite a few people.  Most of the ones thrown for a loop were recipients of Moderna.  It was after the 2nd injection.  It was just what has been described - malaise, tiredness, achiness (for some, it was very bad) - and then it was gone in 24 to 48 hours. 

Most Pfizer recipients don't report much after the fact.  I had Pfizer.  At first, I wanted Moderna because of its less stringent storage requirements.  But, then, the storage requirements aren't my concern.  So I'm glad I got Pfizer.

Right now, and being vaccinated, I'm doing some "California dreamin'."

[balthazar]

Walked into the Chevrolet service department this morning- no one wearing masks or looking sideways at anybody. At Home Depot, some employees & some patrons were maskless, but 75% were covered. 

Getting there.

[ykX]

Yes, NJ is at about 50% vaccinated of eligible people but judging by Home Depot this weekend it is more like 80%...

[Robert Hall]

2 hours ago, balthazar said:

Walked into the Chevrolet service department this morning- no one wearing masks or looking sideways at anybody. At Home Depot, some employees & some patrons were maskless, but 75% were covered. 

Getting there.

My neighborhood Ace Hardware was like that this Saturday...employees and most patrons were unmasked.   Are they fully vaccinated?  Who knows...  

[ccap41]

Does it make a difference if you wear a mask whether you're vaccinated or not, assuming you chose to not get vaccinated?  

You are either vaccinated and cannot(should not) get COVID or you already don't care about the risks.

The whole "you don't have to wear a mask if you're vaccinated but if you are not vaccinated, you have to wear a mask" thing does not make sense to me. Both parties have made their decision already. 

[balthazar]

3 hours ago, ykX said:

Yes, NJ is at about 50% vaccinated of eligible people

supposedly a bit over 50% fully vaccinated, over 70% have 1st dose.
Difference in virus resistance between 1st & 2nd dose is only supposed to be 10-15%.

[ykX]

14 hours ago, balthazar said:

supposedly a bit over 50% fully vaccinated, over 70% have 1st dose.
Difference in virus resistance between 1st & 2nd dose is only supposed to be 10-15%.

I think only 60% got at least first dose.

 

Personally, I don't really care, I just find it funny and predictable. 

[G. David Felt]

5 hours ago, ykX said:

I think only 60% got at least first dose.

 

Personally, I don't really care, I just find it funny and predictable. 

Great to see the numbers going up, better safe than sorry!

Washington is also doing well for Vaccination.

COVID-19 Vaccination Progress Dashboard and Data :: Washington State Department of Health

 

[G. David Felt]

WOW, the Delta version of Covid-19 is now dominate in the US, Japan, Korea and as such, Japan is having to lock down again and as such, instead of having local fans in the stands for Olympic competition, they will now be empty. 

The Olympics should have been canceled IMHO.

Tokyo Olympics to Be Held Without Spectators (msn.com)

[ccap41]

Where are you seeing this kind of surge in the US? That article only mentioned Japan and S Korea. 

[G. David Felt]

15 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Where are you seeing this kind of surge in the US? That article only mentioned Japan and S Korea. 

Southern states with low vaccination rates is where Delta is hitting the hardest right now. Sadly some states feel not reporting the truth is more important for the sake of making a buck over peoples lives. Lucky the CDC and other medical groups track reporting of every Hospital still.

https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-in-us-covid-infections-states-kansas-arkansas-missouri-2021-7

Per the news story above, 96% of all new cases in Missouri are Delta Variant and 80% of all new Covid-19 cases in just 4 states are Delta variant. Kansas, Arkansas, Missouri, and Connecticut have the highest Delta infection rates data is showing.

Outstanding site to monitor for this is here: outbreak.info

If you want local current outbreak info, then go into the Variants section, put in your local zip or let it know your location and it will show you the latest numbers.

Mutation tracker is here and a good souce of info which allows you to choose your VOC data.

outbreak.info

Covid in the U.S.: Latest Map and Case Count - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

U.S. heading for 'dangerous fall' with surge in delta Covid cases and return of indoor mask mandates (cnbc.com)

Health officials warn about Delta variant as COVID-19 cases surge - CBS News

Delta COVID variant spreads rapidly in US as cases surge | Sambad English

Delta variant surge explodes claims that the pandemic is over in the US - World Socialist Web Site (wsws.org)

U.S. heading for 'dangerous fall' with surge in delta Covid cases and return of indoor mask mandates (cnbc.com)

 

[Drew Dowdell]

23 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Where are you seeing this kind of surge in the US? That article only mentioned Japan and S Korea. 

It’s not in the article, but since I monitor Covid stuff for work I can tell you about Pennsylvania. Here it’s the deepest red of counties where the surge is happening. My blue bastion of  Allegheny county where Pittsburgh is just over 65% and climbing with vaccine rates (highest in the state outside of Philly). The states where vaccination rates are under 50% are where the surges are happening.

[Robert Hall]

Ohio is behind... the rural (red) counties are really lagging behind the more urbanized counties...some only 24%-35% vaccinated.   My county of Cuyahoga (2nd largest in state) is only at 48% fully vaccinated..

https://data.news-leader.com/covid-19-vaccine-tracker/ohio/cuyahoga-county/39035/

[G. David Felt]

Hope everyone is doing well, and everyone is vaccinated. Just got my booster shot and flu shot so feeling awesome about skiing this winter. No effects on me, but the wife did come home very tired yesterday, so we went to bed early. Other than the shot point in the arm, no problems.

Found this research very interesting SARS-CoV-2 infects human adipose tissue and elicits an inflammatory response consistent with severe COVID-19 | bioRxiv

[Drew Dowdell]

I got my booster on November 30th because I was traveling to Colorado on the 3rd and they're having a bit of a breakout there. Felt like crap 24 hours later but then was back to normal by Thursday evening.  The second dose hit me really hard and I was down for 5 days.  The booster of Moderna is just a half a dose, so I'm guessing if I'd had a full dose it would have done the same thing again. 

I got my flu shot way back in October with no side effects to report. 

I already was working from home 2 - 3 days a week, but I'm raising that back to 3 - 4 days a week now.  75% because of the new variant, 15% because my commute has gotten even more hellish, and 10% because it is the holidays and we're really slow. 

[G. David Felt]

I am now 100% from home and will travel for the first time since this started next year as Dell returns to Vegas from May 2nd to 5th for DTW 2022. This will be a hybrid as we will have both the physical show and an online one.

Dell Technologies World - Dell Technologies World 2022 | May 2-5

This should be interesting to see how the Covid-19 thing affects people traveling. I am thinking we will have about 1/3 less attending in person.

[oldshurst442]

Legault (Quebec's Premier---leader if you will) and Quebec has authorized and acquired 3rd booster shots for the old fogeys.  Time has come where the old fogey's 2nd shot is waning so its time for them to get the boosters. And next month, Quebec will authorize the rest of the population whose 2nd shot has come to its 6 month limit to get their boosters. My family's time for the 3rd booster is gonna be in January. Soon.

 

[balthazar]

Wife & I’s 3rd stab is in about 10 days.

[Robert Hall]

Got my 3rd Pfizer shot the week before Thanksgiving and my flu shot in October, no ill effects of either.  I've had a cold/mild sinus infection for the last couple of weeks...always seems to happen when the weather turns cold.  Just rolling into the end of the year exhausted.   Looking forward to some time off between Xmas and New Years.

[trinacriabob]

I've had both jabs as soon as the state opened up the next rung down.  Got onto the site and went to a hick town, where there were openings at my pharmacy chain's store, and only had a headache for about a day each time.

The same thing happens when I get a flu shot.  I always get mine on or about Labor Day, in September, so I can connect the event to the arrival of autumn (sort of).

I'm scheduled for the 3rd jab next week.  With my pharmacy chain, I had to book it a few weeks back.  If you hunt around on the site for their stores and their slots, all the ones in deep blue areas can see you in mid-January.  All the ones in deep red areas, and it could also have to do with lower population counts, can see you this week, if you're flexible.  Is this not a rather "clean" and stereotypical divide?

Let's see.  They put a man on the moon with 4 GB of RAM type horsepower in 1969.  And people are distrustful of a research process that took about a year with a completely different and higher level of scientific know-how?  I guess people can look up to broadcasters who are not scientists (far from it, and with "soft" or no degrees) because that's who they see themselves allied with.

A 52 year old (R) lawmaker from Washington State just died.  He had been espousing the "don't tread on me" mantra. Again, we've got a "clean" and stereotypical divide.

I got really sick about a week ago.  I was given antibiotics.  I was also asked to get a Covid test.  Thankfully, it was negative.  And the antibiotics put me back in working order.

Moderna appears to be more efficacious over time.  Moderna really beat up on some people I know for a few days - that tells me it was probably working hard.  I had Pfizer because that's what they had, and will be staying with it.

I'm checking the pharmacy website daily.  I'm willing to go in on a day's notice if there's a cancellation within 30 miles.

[G. David Felt]

4 hours ago, trinacriabob said:

I've had both jabs as soon as the state opened up the next rung down.  Got onto the site and went to a hick town, where there were openings at my pharmacy chain's store, and only had a headache for about a day each time.

The same thing happens when I get a flu shot.  I always get mine on or about Labor Day, in September, so I can connect the event to the arrival of autumn (sort of).

I'm scheduled for the 3rd jab next week.  With my pharmacy chain, I had to book it a few weeks back.  If you hunt around on the site for their stores and their slots, all the ones in deep blue areas can see you in mid-January.  All the ones in deep red areas, and it could also have to do with lower population counts, can see you this week, if you're flexible.  Is this not a rather "clean" and stereotypical divide?

Let's see.  They put a man on the moon with 4 GB of RAM type horsepower in 1969.  And people are distrustful of a research process that took about a year with a completely different and higher level of scientific know-how?  I guess people can look up to broadcasters who are not scientists (far from it, and with "soft" or no degrees) because that's who they see themselves allied with.

A 52 year old (R) lawmaker from Washington State just died.  He had been espousing the "don't tread on me" mantra. Again, we've got a "clean" and stereotypical divide.

I got really sick about a week ago.  I was given antibiotics.  I was also asked to get a Covid test.  Thankfully, it was negative.  And the antibiotics put me back in working order.

Moderna appears to be more efficacious over time.  Moderna really beat up on some people I know for a few days - that tells me it was probably working hard.  I had Pfizer because that's what they had, and will be staying with it.

I'm checking the pharmacy website daily.  I'm willing to go in on a day's notice if there's a cancellation within 30 miles.

Awesome to hear your doing well and yes sadly, there does seem to be a clear divide that is more political due to ignorance from the leadership of that side rather than intelligence, science and medical testing of facts proving otherwise.

I can say from my own work with the CDC, John Hopkins, Harvard Medical and Oxford that a Mix of say Pfizer and Moderna Booster seems to do really well also. So you can stay with just one brand or mix it up between Moderna and Pfizer and still do really well since both are based on the same MRNA technology.

Have a great relaxing healthy and safe Holiday Season.

 

[trinacriabob]

8 hours ago, David said:

I can say from my own work with the CDC, John Hopkins, Harvard Medical and Oxford that a Mix of say Pfizer and Moderna Booster seems to do really well also. So you can stay with just one brand or mix it up between Moderna and Pfizer and still do really well since both are based on the same MRNA technology.

Have a great relaxing healthy and safe Holiday Season.

Thank you.  Likewise to you and your family!

[trinacriabob]

I just learned from a friend that their elderly parent, approaching 80 and "immunocompromised" in a way, is in the hospital with Covid, with some really bad vitals during the days preceding the admission.  My friend and I have different ideologies, but we do the best we can to keep the friendship going.  While I already sort of knew the answer, I asked if the elderly parent had been vaccinated, since they would have gone to the top of the list back then.  I got the answer that 'you know that my parent wouldn't do that' and stated they 'are glad they didn't get the vaccine.'  This person will be in the hospital during Christmas and I do wish them a speedy recovery, with few side effects and long-term effects.

How about having taken the vaccines back then, not being in the hospital at this time, and not running up an inpatient hospital bill?  I've heard this once before.  Some middle aged dude in Louisiana or thereabouts was in the hospital with Covid, had tubes in his nose, and was proclaiming that it was 'worth it to not take the vaccine."  Is this a new form of martyrdom?  Who's the patron saint for this one?  I'm not following.

I just went from a Tuesday appointment to a Monday appointment by hunting around on the pharmacy site.  I may even try the afternoon walk-in window of time tomorrow to see if I can get it then.  And how long for the injection to kick up some serious antibodies and theoretically have you toward your optimal level to fight off any infection?

Edited December 23, 2021 by trinacriabob

[balthazar]

2 hours ago, trinacriabob said:

how long for the injection to kick up some serious antibodies and theoretically have you toward your optimal level to fight off any infection?

Interesting question, tho the answer is probably 'it varies from person to person'.

Got our boosters yesterday. I've had no issues now (1.5 days after), wife had marked soreness at injection site and her joints ached. She took ibuprofen today and went to sleep early.

[G. David Felt]

2 hours ago, trinacriabob said:

I just learned from a friend that their elderly parent, approaching 80 and "immunocompromised" in a way, is in the hospital with Covid, with some really bad vitals during the days preceding the admission.  My friend and I have different ideologies, but we do the best we can to keep the friendship going.  While I already sort of knew the answer, I asked if the elderly parent had been vaccinated, since they would have gone to the top of the list back then.  I got the answer that 'you know that my parent wouldn't do that' and stated they 'are glad they didn't get the vaccine.'  This person will be in the hospital during Christmas and I do wish them a speedy recovery, with few side effects and long-term effects.

How about having taken the vaccines back then, not being in the hospital at this time, and not running up an inpatient hospital bill?  I've heard this once before.  Some middle aged dude in Louisiana or thereabouts was in the hospital with Covid, had tubes in his nose, and was proclaiming that it was 'worth it to not take the vaccine."  Is this a new form of martyrdom?  Who's the patron saint for this one?  I'm not following.

I just went from a Tuesday appointment to a Monday appointment by hunting around on the pharmacy site.  I may even try the afternoon walk-in window of time tomorrow to see if I can get it then.  And how long for the injection to kick up some serious antibodies and theoretically have you toward your optimal level to fight off any infection?

Moderna and Pfizer both say your are at your maximum in anti-bodies for fighting Covid after 14 days.

CDC says the following: “The booster shot will have a similar response as the second dose of the primary series. The highest antibody level will be around 10-14 days and then things will level off. The antibody levels will decline as it would with all vaccines, however the boosters help to stabilize the antibody levels,”

Both my wife and I had no affects from the Booster nor the original 2 shot vaccine. Was a little tired the initial night and went to bed early, but fine after that.

[trinacriabob]

Got jab #3 about 4 hours ago.  I had Pfizer for the first 2 injections, but opted to go with Moderna.  I had been thinking about doing it this way, and then found out a friend of mine did it this way a week or two ago and is doing fine.

I had a mild but dull headache after both Pfizer shots and am expecting the same.  

[oldshurst442]

The wife and I both got are 3rd shot 3 hours ago.

Like @trinacriabob The 1st two were Pfizer but our 3rd  was Moderna.    We didnt have a choice as for some reason in Quebec, all folk above 30 years old receives Moderna for their 3rd.

Hey, Covid!   Here's mud in your eye!  Hopin' we dont have to go to 4. 

[balthazar]

If another variant makes major inroads, there will be another booster.

[G. David Felt]

@oldshurst442 Since I work with CDC, John Hopkins, Harvard Medical and Oxford all on the Covid front of research, they are expecting new versions that will require boosters this year. As such, the CDC has changed to every 6 months for a booster shot against Covid. Pfizer will have an Omnicron Booster out in May time frame. Moderna is expecting to follow a month later or so and right now we are hitting new highs in hospitalizations of 146,000 per day.

U.S. COVID hospitalizations hit record high : Shots - Health News : NPR

Omicron pushes U.S. COVID hospitalizations toward record high | Reuters

COVID-19 Hospitalizations (cdc.gov)

Sadly, we have new variants already taking hold. 

New COVID variant ‘IHU’ with 46 mutations detected in France (yahoo.com)

New Potential Covid Virus Variants Of Concern (forbes.com)

What do we know so far about the new Mu COVID-19 variant? | World Economic Forum (weforum.org)

SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern as of 5 January 2022 (europa.eu)

As such, I would say you need to expect another jab or two and that 2023 is the true year we will see things start to ease up as the world starts to reach towards what some call Herd Immunity.

Getting Vaccines was slow during the Influenza pandemic of 1918, we are at least getting better about getting updated vaccines out and communicating it.

[trinacriabob]

I'm not sure if it cracks me up, per se, but assume you've got some people vehemently objecting to vaccination, their job is on the line because of the employer or state they live in, and they sheepishly "cave in" to getting vaccinated.

And, then, nothing adverse happens to them as a result of it.

Which then brings up the question:  "WTF was all that grandstanding about?"

[G. David Felt]

1 hour ago, trinacriabob said:

I'm not sure if it cracks me up, per se, but assume you've got some people vehemently objecting to vaccination, their job is on the line because of the employer or state they live in, and they sheepishly "cave in" to getting vaccinated.

And, then, nothing adverse happens to them as a result of it.

Which then brings up the question:  "WTF was all that grandstanding about?"

This kind of thing is what makes this so sad as over 90% of those being hospitalized are the unvaccinated.

U.S. reports record 1.3M Covid cases in a day as hospitalizations soar (nbcnews.com)

At least 1,343,167 new Covid infections were identified on Monday, according to the tally, sweeping past the previous record of 1,044,970 cases that had been set on Jan. 3.

So much of this could be avoided if those people would honestly look, use their brain and consider the science. Sadly, 30% of the nation medical staff feel this is overblown and are not vaccinated and with the Supreme Court reviewing the vaccination mandate, firings have been put on hold for Federal, State, County, city government jobs. 

Private sector is another thing as some companies have moved forward with vaccine mandates to keep your job due to at will employment.

This also is why I am hearing from my sister and others who are nurses at hospitals:

southern states have seen the largest shift in hospitalizations over the past two weeks, with the seven-day averages for hospitalizations in Louisiana up 341 percent from 340 to 1,501 over the past two weeks, while Florida has seen its average soar by 277 percent from 2,426 to 9,169,

Why help those that want to fight the benefits of vaccinated, Private Hospitals are being asked by their own employees to prioritize vaccinated people over unvaccinated as the ones to help.

A crazy world we live in now.

[balthazar]

^ Different sources report significantly different numbers, which is to be expected. 

What I wonder is; are people admitted to hospitals for other medical/surgical reasons, are automatically tested for COVID and found to be positive... are those people counted towards 'COVID hospitalizations' when they weren't admitted for such?

[G. David Felt]

51 minutes ago, balthazar said:

^ Different sources report significantly different numbers, which is to be expected. 

What I wonder is; are people admitted to hospitals for other medical/surgical reasons, are automatically tested for COVID and found to be positive... are those people counted towards 'COVID hospitalizations' when they weren't admitted for such?

That is a good question, I know here in Washington they are not, they show up on the medical reporting as Medical/Surgical Covid positive afterwards.

Right now, no hospital is doing elective surgeries, so anyone going in a hospital is for a valid surgical issue or for Covid. They are tracking it here separately to be clear on the cases of Covid only.

I will look around the CDC reporting to see if they have an exception statement or clearly state the differences. Would be good to know.

[balthazar]

That would depend on how one is defining 'elective'. Joint replacement surgery is considered elective, and those procedures are happening now.

RE the numbers: NBC's Monday number is almost double what world meter's daily tracking shows. Who's closer to the actuality?

[oldshurst442]

Im kinda bummed out and disappointed.   Just a sore shoulder for my wife and I but nothing much else to report.

But why the sad? 

I was promised by some people out there      that getting THE Covid vaccine would make me transmit 5G WiFi.  All for free. Well, the fee being that I got THE Covid vaccine. 

Im on my 3rd vaccine now, but no 5G WiFi.

What gives???!!!

I SPECIFICALLY got THE Covid vaccine JUST so I could transmit 5G internet myself.   Internet services are way expensive in Canada...

[Robert Hall]

5 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Im kinda bummed out and disappointed.   Just a sore shoulder for my wife and I but nothing much else to report.

But why the sad? 

I was promised by some people out there      that getting THE Covid vaccine would make me transmit 5G WiFi.  All for free. Well, the fee being that I got THE Covid vaccine. 

Im on my 3rd vaccine now, but no 5G WiFi.

What gives???!!!

I SPECIFICALLY got THE Covid vaccine JUST so I could transmit 5G internet myself.   Internet services are way expensive in Canada...

I was disappointed they didn't give me the wifi network name and password.