Well, it's almost over

[ocnblu]

Oh, I see Wall Street has mucho confidence in Obama, what was that today, a 500 point drop on news of his election? I thought it wasn't supposed to work that way?

[Croc]

Oh, I see Wall Street has mucho confidence in Obama, what was that today, a 500 point drop on news of his election? I thought it wasn't supposed to work that way?

Well haven't we all learned to question Wall Street's collective judgment over the past few months?

[balthazar]

>>"But to all you haters, either we now have a muslim, socialist, racist, commie.......... or you were wrong."<<

How about: not a Muslim, but beholden to Muslims? Would that give you any pause ?

How about long-standing ties to CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations), listed by the U.S. Gov as a co-conspirator in a Hamas-funding trial in '07 ?

Lib Dem Senator Chuckie Schumer : "We know CAIR has ties to terrorism and links to Hamas".

Lib Dem Senator Dickie Durban : "CAIR is unusual in its extreme rhetoric and ties to groups that are suspect".

FBI : "The evidence developed by Federal law enforcement places CAIR within a top down hierarchical arrangement of terror supporters..."

How about ties to Khalid al-Mansour, a man who raised money for BO's Harvard tuition and advisor to the largest Saudi contributor to CAIR, Prince Al-Walid bin Talal, generous donator of funding to universities & the ISNA ?

How about Luqman Abdul-Haqq, a man who is the 'amir' of the United Muslim Movement and landlord to BO's south Philadelphia campaign headquarters, a man who buys up real estate in order to create Muslim neighborhoods in Philly, with further ties to CAIR and the Muslim Alliance in NA (MANA), whose 'amir' there is Siraj Wahhaj, co-conspirator in the '93 WTC bombing ?

How about Mazen Asbashi, Obama's 1st campaign coordinator for Muslim Outreach, who was forced to resign when it was revealed that he had served on the board of a subsidiary of the Saudi-sponsored North American Islamic Trust w/ Jamal Said, another co-conspirator in the '07 Hamas funding trial, in addition to connections with numerous other watchlist Islamic organizations ?

How about Minha Husaini, the Obama campaign's 2nd Muslim Outreach coordinator, having served as an intern for the Muslim Public Service Network ? Immediately unpon her appointment, she met with a group of 30 including CAIR's Nihad Awad (the former PR Director for the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP), quote: ""I am in support of the Hamas movement."), the Muslim American Society's Mahdi Bray (who has publically supported Hamas & Hezbollah terrorists) and Johari Abdul Malik of the Dar Al-Hijrah Mosque in VA, who mantra has advised American Muslims "You can blow up bridges, but you cannot kill people who are innocent on their way to work".

How about numerous ties to the racist, violence-advocating Nation of Islam, thru friendships with Rezko (partnered with Jabir Muhammad -son of NOI leader Elijah Muhammad- for decades, and gave "millions of dollars" to), Farrakahn & Wright?

Are talks & associations & funding connections with these radicals merely a line of communication, or something more?

Do you know ?

If the media was more interested in investigation instead of sound bytes and holographic projections of Will.I.Am, perhaps even a crumb of this would have gotten out. The media needs a complete gutting, IMO.

>>"For some of you, I realize that last point will be the most difficult to swallow no matter how true."<<

How do you prove something 'true' with a complete lack of evidence ? Just because you don't hear about it via Air America or the Daily Show does not mean there's no truth to the rumors. It's fantastically easy to muddle the charge and overstate it to the point of absurdity, but siting Obama's denials as 'evidence' there's nothing going on is like asking a criminal if he is guilty, if you'll pardon the analogy.

Credit due: the campaign of feigned affrontment at even mildly challenging questions, and the slippery sidestepping of these very real issues was amazing, worthy of study of subversive tactics, IMO. Perhaps Ayers could teach the course...

As for racism- how is Black Liberation Theology being a "Christian", exactly ? Advocating violence based on skin color is a hallmark of a parallel following, White Supremacy.

[longtooth]

>>"But to all you haters, either we now have a muslim, socialist, racist, commie.......... or you were wrong."<<

How about: not a Muslim, but beholden to Muslims? Would that give you any pause ?

How about long-standing ties to CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations), listed by the U.S. Gov as a co-conspirator in a Hamas-funding trial in '07 ?

Lib Dem Senator Chuckie Schumer : "We know CAIR has ties to terrorism and links to Hamas".

Lib Dem Senator Dickie Durban : "CAIR is unusual in its extreme rhetoric and ties to groups that are suspect".

FBI : "The evidence developed by Federal law enforcement places CAIR within a top down hierarchical arrangement of terror supporters..."

How about ties to Khalid al-Mansour, a man who raised money for BO's Harvard tuition and advisor to the largest Saudi contributor to CAIR, Prince Al-Walid bin Talal, generous donator of funding to universities & the ISNA ?

How about Luqman Abdul-Haqq, a man who is the 'amir' of the United Muslim Movement and landlord to BO's south Philadelphia campaign headquarters, a man who buys up real estate in order to create Muslim neighborhoods in Philly, with further ties to CAIR and the Muslim Alliance in NA (MANA), whose 'amir' there is Siraj Wahhaj, co-conspirator in the '93 WTC bombing ?

How about Mazen Asbashi, Obama's 1st campaign coordinator for Muslim Outreach, who was forced to resign when it was revealed that he had served on the board of a subsidiary of the Saudi-sponsored North American Islamic Trust w/ Jamal Said, another co-conspirator in the '07 Hamas funding trial, in addition to connections with numerous other watchlist Islamic organizations ?

How about Minha Husaini, the Obama campaign's 2nd Muslim Outreach coordinator, having served as an intern for the Muslim Public Service Network ? Immediately unpon her appointment, she met with a group of 30 including CAIR's Nihad Awad (the former PR Director for the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP), quote: ""I am in support of the Hamas movement."), the Muslim American Society's Mahdi Bray (who has publically supported Hamas & Hezbollah terrorists) and Johari Abdul Malik of the Dar Al-Hijrah Mosque in VA, who mantra has advised American Muslims "You can blow up bridges, but you cannot kill people who are innocent on their way to work".

How about numerous ties to the racist, violence-advocating Nation of Islam, thru friendships with Rezko (partnered with Jabir Muhammad -son of NOI leader Elijah Muhammad- for decades, and gave "millions of dollars" to), Farrakahn & Wright?

Are talks & associations & funding connections with these radicals merely a line of communication, or something more?

Do you know ?

If the media was more interested in investigation instead of sound bytes and holographic projections of Will.I.Am, perhaps even a crumb of this would have gotten out. The media needs a complete gutting, IMO.

>>"For some of you, I realize that last point will be the most difficult to swallow no matter how true."<<

How do you prove something 'true' with a complete lack of evidence ? Just because you don't hear about it via Air America or the Daily Show does not mean there's no truth to the rumors. It's fantastically easy to muddle the charge and overstate it to the point of absurdity, but siting Obama's denials as 'evidence' there's nothing going on is like asking a criminal if he is guilty, if you'll pardon the analogy.

Credit due: the campaign of feigned affrontment at even mildly challenging questions, and the slippery sidestepping of these very real issues was amazing, worthy of study of subversive tactics, IMO. Perhaps Ayers could teach the course...

As for racism- how is Black Liberation Theology being a "Christian", exactly ? Advocating violence based on skin color is a hallmark of a parallel following, White Supremacy.

Nope. Even if he wished to appoint Saladdin as Sec Def.

[Lamar]

I see another problem here with bringing up all the possible Muslim acquaintances... but I'm not going to go any further than that, no...

BTW, Balthazar, you bringing up the Nation of Islam discredits the WHOLE list.

[balthazar]

It's not Islamic-related, I know; it was included by me in error from the piece I was typing from.

Including something off-topic does NOT "discredit" all the other on-topic examples listed, however.

[daves87rs]

Wow...

[Sixty8panther]

It's funny how so many, on this forum and at the polls

seem to have blinders on... NOTHING can taint your

image of this demi-god you want to beleive is the

Chosen One* and will lead our nation through famine,

out of wars and into the red sea, parting it for us so

we may pass through safely with the comming armies

of our enemies drowned in it shortly after.

It's obviously no use trying too use logic & reason, if

you really beleive Barack Hussein Obama is a man of

epic proportions and enormeous potential we'll just

have to see... time will tell.

Perhaps, maybe, (if only I could beleive this) Obama's

promisse to make many of us who distrust him into

beleivers will come true. Perhaps the reality of the

enormeous responsibility of his position will make the

common sense decisions clear.

---

* as Betrice, frequent guest on the Opie & Anthony show

& an African American comedian called Obama, seconds

later saying he did not mean BHO was Messiah-like but

mearly that he was "Chosen One" and stated another

generality ADMITING THAT HE WAS CLUELESS TO HIS

POLITICAL GOALS, CAMPAIGN PROMISSES AND HAD

NO INTEREST OR INSIGHT INTO OBAMA'S POLITICAL

STANCE, BUT HE HAD TO SUPPORT HIM BASED ON THE

FACT THAT HE WAS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN!!!