Recalls: Toyota vs. GM for 2006

[NOS2006]

Who knows the exact number of recalls for both Toyota and GM for 2006 so far? I'm debating it w/ someone and yeah..

[NOS2006]

Holy $h!, this kid is bothering the **** out of me. I said something about GM making a comeback within the next 3-4 years (because he noticed me on a GM site) and he contradicted it saying they've said that the last 30 years. Actually, they haven't.

And, so, he says, "Fine, then what do you think GM is doing that Toyota isn't?" And I told him that GM's quality and the perception of GM are both off-base and not good enough.

"Yeah, you're right.. and they're not going to fix it."

"Why do you say that?"

"Because they never have. They've always had stuff wrong with their products."

"Well watch in the next 3-4 years and they'll prove you wrong."

"Well it's not just their designs that suck, it's their engineering and everything. *we start talking about the Camaro concept* That's going to have a terrible, unreliable transmission. GM is notorious for that."

"Actually, no, that transmission is not a GM transmission and is used by many manufacturers in high-performance applications (talking about the T56)"

"Well then what about the differential? I'm sure that will blow out."

"I don't know what the differential will be though, so that's unfair. The concept's differential was off of the CTS and it won't necessarily be the same differential in the production version."

"See, I told you! And they're going to have bad transmissions because GM has always had bad transmissions."

"No, actually, GM has great transmissions. Name one bad transmission."

"Back in the 70s..."

"No, that's totally irrelevant. This is 30 years later, dumbass. Technology is nothing compared to the 70s."

Then we got into recalls and he said GM has many more recalls than Toyota. I asked for when he was talking about.. before or this year? And he said even this year GM was way more recalls than Toyota because Toyota hardly has any. So, now I ask this question..

[NOS2006]

That's very true and something I didn't think of. However, given the conversation we had, he won't listen to that.

[Intrepidation]

NOS...whoever could you be refering to?

[NOS2006]

Oh, some kid I go to school with.

[Intrepidation]

Oh, some kid I go to school with.

208009[/snapback]

Oh, I thought you were refering to ServiceAdvisor cuz it sounds very familiar.

[NOS2006]

I don't know what ServiceAdvisor is..?

[balthazar]

"Back in the 70s..."

I'd like to hear this idiot's idea of what the 'bad transmission' was/is.

GM "notorious" for bad transmissions? Boy has this dude got his uneducated snap judgements reversed.

[Justin Bimmer]

Having worked in a GM dealership, I can say when GM has a recall, it's something like the circuit board on the GMT-360's taillights needing replacement , or a few bolts needing to be replaced on the 3800's throttle body (both 5 minute jobs at most) . When Toyota has a recall, it is because they cheaped out on a safety item intermediate steering shafts or belt buckles. It's not the number of recalls that matters, it's the parts they affect.

207947[/snapback]

The screws on the throttle body plenum was a farce recall I'm sorry. It was really a way for the the mechanics to inspect the gaskets on the intake plenum to see if they were leaking like so many of the 3800s were.

It just pisses me off that Davis Pontiac/Buick/GMC tried to screw me out of major money by lieing to me.

[Northstar]

The number of recalls are probably posted on Autonews somewhere in the Data Center, but I don't have my subscription anymore.

Ask him to name you 3 Toyota's that have style and are fun to drive. I bet he can't name two.

[Nick]

Well...granted...I have heard of many guys experiencing issues with their auto trannys in their 540's...I'm pretty sure they are GM trannys too...

[NOS2006]

Ask him to name you 3 Toyota's that have style and are fun to drive. I bet he can't name two.

208027[/snapback]

Oh, no, that's another thing. One of his first points was that some Toyota car was faster than any production GM vehicle ever produced, which really proved nothing to me. But, who knows.

[Northstar]

Oh, no, that's another thing. One of his first points was that some Toyota car was faster than any production GM vehicle ever produced, which really proved nothing to me. But, who knows.

208033[/snapback]

Maybe a racecar

I suppose there are twin-turbo Supras out there that are faster than the Z06, but not stock for stock.

[NOS2006]

Maybe a racecar 

I suppose there are twin-turbo Supras out there that are faster than the Z06, but not stock for stock.

208035[/snapback]

Yeah, well I didn't say anything after he said that and he kept on with it saying, "Oh yeah, the Z06 is nothing compared to this. Yeah, that's right. This makes the Z06 slow." I just told him that the Corvette's getting a higher-end model that's going to be kickass, that's all.

[Northstar]

Yeah, well I didn't say anything after he said that and he kept on with it saying, "Oh yeah, the Z06 is nothing compared to this. Yeah, that's right. This makes the Z06 slow." I just told him that the Corvette's getting a higher-end model that's going to be kickass, that's all.

208037[/snapback]

Maybe he was talking about the Lexus supercar that's coming, but I wouldn't bet on it being faster than the Z06.

[NOS2006]

Maybe he was talking about the Lexus supercar that's coming, but I wouldn't bet on it being faster than the Z06.

208039[/snapback]

No, I know it wasn't a Lexus, he said Toyota "street car" or something like that. IDK what he's talking about.

Anyway, any numbers on recalls for me to prove him stupid?

[Northstar]

I haven't searched through this site yet, but this looks like it might be helpful: http://www.mycarstats.com/auto_recalls/auto_recalls.asp

[FAPTurbo]

Maybe a racecar 

I suppose there are twin-turbo Supras out there that are faster than the Z06, but not stock for stock.

208035[/snapback]

And if this car happens to exist, (which it likely doesn't) he should know on a dollar for dollar basis, the Corvette would likely stomp it.

You also ought to remind him that Toyota's once used and copied GM engines, so that's gotta mean something.

Either way, he needs a brain enema. Tell him that.

[loki]

The number of recalls are probably posted on Autonews somewhere in the Data Center, but I don't have my subscription anymore.

Ask him to name you 3 Toyota's that have style and are fun to drive. I bet he can't name two.

208027[/snapback]

new ones, nah, but the mr2's can be fun, maybe some celicas or supras...?

[loki]

The number of recalls are probably posted on Autonews somewhere in the Data Center, but I don't have my subscription anymore.

Ask him to name you 3 Toyota's that have style and are fun to drive. I bet he can't name two.

208027[/snapback]

new ones, nah, but the mr2's can be fun, maybe some celicas or supras...?

[siegen]

Ask him to name you 3 Toyota's that have style and are fun to drive. I bet he can't name two.

208027[/snapback]

Toyota? Nope. Lexus maybe, but Toyota doesn't have anything. Celica is gone, Supra is gone, MR2 is gone. Replaced by what, the Scion tC? They even dropped the Corolla S model apparently. Toyota's current lineup is about as boring as they get.

[Guest YellowJacket894]

I don't think the person who started the conversation with you, NOS, is even worth the time to talk to.

[ToniCipriani]

You sure you're not talking to toyoidiot?

[zete]

BMW used GM trannies. So if they're so bad why would the poster child for the import crowd use a GM transmission? Go ask your classmate that one.

[Drew Dowdell]

IDK what he's talking about.

208041[/snapback]

That makes two of you apparently.

[Flybrian]

YOTA MAKES TEH BESTEST CARZ EVA BIZNITCHES!!!!!

[Guest YellowJacket894]

Wow. It's like giving a pimp hat to an eggplant.

[loki]

YOTA MAKES TEH BESTEST CARZ EVA BIZNITCHES!!!!!

208404[/snapback]

the trunk opening is kinda cool... just cause it's different, only seen that on a few tv spots... like nopi or something

[zhawk]

YOTA MAKES TEH BESTEST CARZ EVA BIZNITCHES!!!!!

208404[/snapback]

OMG,

Why?

Yo, I be rollin' wit my Echo.

[Intrepidation]

YOTA MAKES TEH BESTEST CARZ EVA BIZNITCHES!!!!!

208404[/snapback]

This would be a great car for those GTI commercials.

"Time to unpimp zuh auto."

I do like those wheels though...everything else is lame/stupid.

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Well NOS, you can add the tC to the recall list

[zete]

That Echo? Another example of more money than brains.

[thegriffon]

BMW used GM trannies. So if they're so bad why would the poster child for the import crowd use a GM transmission? Go ask your classmate that one.

208400[/snapback]

BMW, Jaguar, Range River, Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Ferrari etc. have all used GM transmissions in the past and did so for many years. As best as I recall, GM automatic transmissions were one of the few things that were universally admired in the past as being the best in the industry. The only complaint is that in recent years GM has been slow to introduce 5-speed autos (even though everyone else still uses 4-speeds in many models).

[thegriffon]

If you want recall stats go strraight to the source: the nhtsa has afull list of recalls by model year. Just be sure that individual recalls relate to the vehicle as manufactured and not aftermarket modifications and parts.

[thegriffon]

Since Sept 24 there have been:

1 for BMW

2 for GM (AM General and GM Daewoo)

2 for Infiniti

2 for Chrysler Group

3 for Ford (Ford/Mercury and Volvo)

[thegriffon]

For the 2007 model year:

GM

1. Incomplete labelling of wheel rim size.

2. Potential fuel system fire in crash testing.

Toyota

1. Insufficient airbag deployment.

2. Tire bead damage.

[thegriffon]

For 2006:

GM

1. Potential leak of power steering fluid.

2. Substandard power steering hose.

3. Incorrect tire loading information.

4. No low fuel warning.

5. Electronic throttle control (no backup speed limitation in the event of an ECM failure).

6. Potential fuel leak

7. Brake lamps

8. Roof panel separation

9. Seat belt latching

10. seat belt anchorage mislocated

11. Wrong spare wheel size information.

12. Steering

(Here's a hint—never buy replacement lights for a Chevrolet Denali)

Toyota

1. Insufficient airbag deployment.

2. Seatbelts

3. Stuck accelerator pedal

4. loose carpet intering with accelerator

5. Wrong spare wheel size information.

6. Steering.

7. Wind deflector shattering

8. Tire bead damage

[NOS2006]

Thank you for all that information, thegriffon. With all that, do you have a final number tally of vehicles affected from each brand?